Who Are We?

[Dezmondballins3]

What is it with people on our thread asking if we should trade/amnesty Udonis Haslem. Who are we, just because we got a new refreshed roster last year doesn't not mean we are that team that has no loyalty to our players. Trade Miller? What did he do wrong he was injuired, so give him a chance we aren't that fanbase who turns on our own players. You want to be a Heat fan stand behind your team and catch them if they fall not like the fans who let Dwyane Wade fall to the hard chairs rather then support our star and catch him maybe save him an injury... Don't be that guy don't be that fan who will let our players fall!

[EscapoTHB]

Agreed. (unless we can get Dwight for Haslem and Miller)

[We-Are-Lasers]

Agree 100%.

Miller should not be traded (unless he downright horrible at camp). Why? Because he never played healthy. After the finals and this lockout hopefully he is good to go. Give him a chance ffs he isn't taking our MLE or anything away this year.

As for Haslem... lol if you'd even consider it.

[CablexDeadpool]

This is about winning

Who cares about the players...

And honestly Miller has been trash since the 2007 season.

He isn't that good anymore.

He's getting by on reputation of being a sharpshooter, but what's a sharpshooter that doesn't shoot?

He hasn't been himself, and you know what, unless he taking 6 threes a game and hitting 40 percent of them, he's worthless.

And he hasn't been that since 2007.

Miller should've never been picked up in the first place, because there was 4 years of evidence, showing that he was not the same.

He's been bounced around the league with this expectation of him coming in and being that dangerous shooter that everybody wants, and he has let everybody down and they traded his ass before he could stick around for years on the bench.

[CablexDeadpool]

And Mike Miller has constantly been injured...

Him being injured is nothing new, and the Heat signed him for 5 years, he's been injured and not shooting well for a long time.

So it's nothing new with him, there is no, "He'll turn it around and get back on his feet"

He's not that guy and honestly, the Heat organization would be showing some grace and on mercy on him if they didn't cut get rid of him like the Grizz did, the Wolves did and the Wizards did.

So no, the Heat don't owe Mike Miller, Mike Miller owes the Heat.

[FlashTheKilla]

This is about winning
Who cares about the players...

Really? Who cares about the players?

I do. And lots of other people do. It's why I watch the NBA. I care about the players.

How can you care about a team if you don't care about its parts?

[MartyCONLONNN]

on this team: quality starting center > backup shooting guard. All that needs to be said on the matter unless you guys wanna suffer through Joel getting chewed up on the boards by teams that actually have centers in the playoffs again

[CablexDeadpool]

This is about winning
Who cares about the players...

Really? Who cares about the players?

I do. And lots of other people do. It's why I watch the NBA. I care about the players.

How can you care about a team if you don't care about its parts?

Why care about a player that isn't performing?

And it would be different, if Mike Miller was the guy who was getting that 13 points a game, shooting lights out, grabbing rebounds, getting assists, but he isn't.

Udonis is fine, he's been a constant, dependable guy.

But Mike Miller isn't, Mike Miller is like the guy who comes to work, barely does what he supposed to do, but you heard he was a good working so you all excited, then he calls in saying his wife is sick and that's the 20th time he has done it.

Mike Miller had chances, he shouldn't get another oen.

[CablexDeadpool]

on this team: quality starting center > backup shooting guard. All that needs to be said on the matter unless you guys wanna suffer through Joel getting chewed up on the boards by teams that actually have centers in the playoffs again

This.

I would trade Mike Miller for anybody right now just to get rid of the damn cap hit.

[Dezmondballins3]

on this team: quality starting center > backup shooting guard. All that needs to be said on the matter unless you guys wanna suffer through Joel getting chewed up on the boards by teams that actually have centers in the playoffs again

If you can get both then why not try to.

[CablexDeadpool]

on this team: quality starting center > backup shooting guard. All that needs to be said on the matter unless you guys wanna suffer through Joel getting chewed up on the boards by teams that actually have centers in the playoffs again

If you can get both then why not try to.

Mike Miller isn't even a quality back up shooting guard. He's highly injury prone.

He's not even a dependable guy, and I honestly don't know what the hell is wrong with him.

He needs to be gone, he's been missing games for his entire career.

He missed 28 games with the Wizards before coming to the Heat, he then missed 41 games with the Heat.

Can't you see that he is not a dependable guy?

[DefenseWins]

I'd amnesty Miller and not Haslem. Someone said on here we'd be really selling our soul for a championship if we did that.

Two wins away and people think we need a huge overhaul.

Just have everyone be healthy and a real Center, and we can win.

Haslem wasn't healthy yet he turned around the Bulls series. Yeah he is declining a bit, but his energy and grit does more than we probably think.

I was frustrated with Miller all season long. He was scrappy and did try, but he had TWO broken thumbs man... with so much contraption around his arms trying to hit 3's... really? sigh.

I'd give him another shot, because he is a good rebounder. Many people have forgotten a lot of the time where we needed a last shot, he got the last rebound. Just... Heat didn't make those shots. But if anyone recalls the Eddie House game winner (sort of) against OKC in OKC, Miller got that reb.

But hey if we have to amnesty him to get a real Center... I'm up for that.

[CablexDeadpool]

I'd amnesty Miller and not Haslem. Someone said on here we'd be really selling our soul for a championship if we did that.

Two wins away and people think we need a huge overhaul.

Just have everyone be healthy and a real Center, and we can win.

Haslem wasn't healthy yet he turned around the Bulls series. Yeah he is declining a bit, but his energy and grit does more than we probably think.

I was frustrated with Miller all season long. He was scrappy and did try, but he had TWO broken thumbs man... with so much contraption around his arms trying to hit 3's... really? sigh.

I'd give him another shot, because he is a good rebounder. Many people have forgotten a lot of the time where we needed a last shot, he got the last rebound. Just... Heat didn't make those shots. But if anyone recalls the Eddie House game winner (sort of) against OKC in OKC, Miller got that reb.

But hey if we have to amnesty him to get a real Center... I'm up for that.

Well of course he gonna be scrappy, he know this is it for him.

Mike Miller knows he's done, he just has to know. So in order to have a good exit out of the NBA with a few rings, he gonna need to play hard for the Heat.

I would keep Mike around just because I think maybe, just maybe, he can have one healthy good season. But I honestly just think he gonna end up gone even if we don't amnesty him.

And I would amnesty Joel before Mike in a heart beat.
But Mike can't play defense so IDK about that lmao.

[DefenseWins]

Mike's defense is actually alright. Better rebounder. He's no shot blocker, but he'd cover some guys pretty well.

Though he would get crapped on by people like Marion.... so idk either.

People ignore Joel which makes it easy for the other team to 2vs1 LeBron or Wade, which I don't like.

But with Miller on the wing, I mean he's still a threat, especially if he's healthy lol.

WHich is better...

Miller - 3 4 0

or

Joel - 0 0 2

lol

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Good thread.

I want to see Miller get a chance this year (remember, he saved our ass when Wade was paying awful in game 4 of the Bulls series), but if its absolutely necessary that he go to acquire a Dalembert, I'd make the sacrifice.

But no way do I want to see Haslem gone. He has to stay, unless the trade is so lopsided and ridiculous even Udonis would tell us to make it.

[CablexDeadpool]

Mike's defense is actually alright. Better rebounder. He's no shot blocker, but he'd cover some guys pretty well.

Though he would get crapped on by people like Marion.... so idk either.

People ignore Joel which makes it easy for the other team to 2vs1 LeBron or Wade, which I don't like.

But with Miller on the wing, I mean he's still a threat, especially if he's healthy lol.

WHich is better...

Miller - 3 4 0

or

Joel - 0 0 2

lol

Yeah Mike is good because he gets rebounds, but I'm talking about him staying in front of somebody and Ding up.

Remember we are in the conference that has Carmelo, Paul Pierce, Igoudala, Nick Young...

A lot good Swingmen.


Mike Miller can't guard them lmao.

[Pimpwerx]

What is it with people on our thread asking if we should trade/amnesty Udonis Haslem. Who are we, just because we got a new refreshed roster last year doesn't not mean we are that team that has no loyalty to our players. Trade Miller? What did he do wrong he was injuired, so give him a chance we aren't that fanbase who turns on our own players. You want to be a Heat fan stand behind your team and catch them if they fall not like the fans who let Dwyane Wade fall to the hard chairs rather then support our star and catch him maybe save him an injury... Don't be that guy don't be that fan who will let our players fall!

Miller is a victim of the new CBA. Loyalty only goes so far. If we can't get a center, because we're being loyal, then the entire point of this project is lost. We need a center, end of story. Anyone outside the Big3 is expendable.

And I say that as a big UD fan. I'd be gutted if we got rid of him. Not so much for Miller. This is just the way it has to be to finish the 2yr build within the new CBA rules. PEACE.

[Lord Hades]

I'd rather see Joel get amnestied than Miller. Much rather.

UD shouldn't even be brought into the discussion, save some implausible scenario that isn't worth even hypothesizing.

[dolphinatik]

Mike Miller should be given another chance not because of player loyalty or anything like that but because he still has value for the contract. He was injured all last year and really should not have played. Riley has been following Miller for years and knows what he is capable of. His entire game should be better when he is 100% which he should be now. Amnesty can still kick in mid season if he sucks right? We are kidding ourselves if we think its all going to magically get better when u get rid of Miller.

With that said... Mike Millers biggest problem was that he was not going for his own shot enough or being aggressive when he did have the ball. Casualty of playing alongside Wade and Lebron. Chalmers finally stepped it up near the end when he became less passive and went for his.


The other argument here is forward isnt where we are lacking and its not our biggest need. Lets fix the glaring deficiencies that we have had for years at center and guard first for once. Include coaching in that last argument. We need to practice offense, wining it and isos dont cut it.

[indiegrind]

UD is off limits in my eyes.

I also very much like miller, but the writing is on the wall that he is gone. It just doesnt make since to keep him considering the moves the heat need to make right now to get a center as long as he inhibits the full MLE.

Especially since he was a non factor last year and we still got close to a championship, and he can be replaced for cheap with one of the plethora of available veteran wings at the minimum or the biennial exception.


I heard that Ric Bucher says (This morning on sportscenter) Battier to Miami is likely. If this is the case, Miller's replacement is already lined up.