Superstars cant win alone, so they need to join forces?

[c rasheed]

A team with 3 Hall of Famers is not a super team?

Obviously it would depend on what you classify as a "superstar" team. The meaning of "super team" has become something like "3 super stars teaming up through free agency to win a championship".

The Spurs also have 3 HOFer's, but I wouldn't really call them a "superstar team", you know?

I don't think many people consider Manu and Parker hall of fame material.

[droponov]

This is ridiculous, why do superstars feel the need to join other superstars? The question is pretty simple. Seriously we have the all star game if they want to play with each other. All these superstars want to win a ring the easy way. I loved the nba back in the day when teams had a star and great role players. Players these days have the wrong mentality . They should all be wanting to compete hard against each other. Not join forces and just win because of an abundance of talent. The nba looks like a watered down league when only a quarter of its teams have all the talent. If all these stars chose a team each, we would be in for some great competition every night.

Complete nonsense.

Where were you in 1983?

[LakerLegend]

These guys grew up watching Barkley, Ewing, Malone, Iverson, McGrady etc.....they dont want to be those guys

[pwayknicks]

Now that Miami started the trend, players have no choice but to join up with someone....that is their only chacne at winning...

Now, if 2 guys join up and take the vet minimum to play in Miami, that is when I will stop watching the nba.

In all honesty, at some point we are going to have 4 super teams..

[heatwillbeback]

so be it. Most years, the wining team has multiple superstars. Detroit is an exception to the rule.

[LakerLegend]

Yeah, they are only doing it because Miami has made it impossible to win a title without doing it. Though Dirk beat Miami with a bunch of roleplayers

[AmazingJason]

The Heat are pretty much a lock to come out of the East every year, barring injury. Perhaps the only other team with a chance are the Celtics, who formed the original Big 3, lol.

[LakerLegend]

Superstars I mean. If Dirk can do it, cant they?

[heatwillbeback]

Yeah, they are only doing it because Miami has made it impossible to win a title without doing it. Though Dirk beat Miami with a bunch of roleplayers

bs. Lakers only became contenders again after they stole Gasol
They became contenders 13 years ago when they got Shaq

superstars win. It has happened before Miami, and will continue happening forever. Miami did provide a model for saving cap room to allow it all to happen at once (and making the playoffs the two years while doing it to boot- amazing accomplishment imo), but the concept has been that way in the modern NBA.

[ADoaN17]

Dirk didn't have the average "roleplayers." Most of those "roleplayers" were all-stars before.

[bluefear]

owners, fans and players looking out for their own interests

no need to get aggrevated over it

i would like to spend more time with my good friends while getting paid millions if i could as well

[NY Knicka]

Dirk didn't have the average "roleplayers." Most of those "roleplayers" were all-stars before.

+1

[Game Show]

A team with 3 Hall of Famers is not a super team?

Obviously it would depend on what you classify as a "superstar" team. The meaning of "super team" has become something like "3 super stars teaming up through free agency to win a championship".

The Spurs also have 3 HOFer's, but I wouldn't really call them a "superstar team", you know?

I don't think many people consider Manu and Parker hall of fame material.

Manu is a lock due to international play

Parker is a maybe, his (undeserved) FMVP might get him in

Dirk didn't have the average "roleplayers." Most of those "roleplayers" were all-stars before.

But they aren't all-star material anymore

[WillyJakkz]

^ Yeppers.

I'm still trying to figure out what the "Super teams" have won?

Guys clicking up like this isn't a guarantee of a title, it's a guarantee of having a better shot maybe but not a title.

Celtics, Lakers, Bulls...........

I'm referring to the inference that the OP seems to be making that guys are clicking up (player created Super Teams) and out of the guys that clicked up they haven't won jack.

Last I checked the Mavs (who got Tyson Chandler gifted to them) won it all.

The Heat, a player created Super Team beat a GM created Super Team in large part to D Wade goin' UFC on Rajon Rondo and Ainge trading away Perk thinking Shaq would be healthy is what cost the C's another Finals run.

I think he's talking about the Heat and the soon to be Knicks.

[JunkYardSubs]

Dirk didn't have the average "roleplayers." Most of those "roleplayers" were all-stars before.

Who cares about the past? Jason Kidd at 39 isnt an all star.

[EscapoTHB]

You know why superstars these days do it? Because bitchy fans and **** media won't get off their back. If you don't have a ring by the time you are 25 or 26 your career is a failure and you are a choker/not a winner. Every superstar is put against an imaginary standard of Jordan, found wanting because they don't have the rings or some other reason--and castrated before the 24 hour sports media.

I mean it's ridiculous. KG was a better player in Minnesota. But there he was a loser who could never get it done in the playoffs. He goes to the Celtics and wins some titles--now he's a winner and will go down as an all-time great player.

You guys did the same thing to Lebron. Couldn't be happy enough with what he was doing in Cleveland. If he wasn't winning 72 games every year and stacking up the rings, he wasn't as good as Kobe or Michael.

Superstars these days aren't really allowed to learn hard lessons anymore. They pretty much have to put themselves in a position where they can start stacking rings, or their career is null and void by the age of 27.

So I'd say they're not the problem. We're the problem.

And at any rate, almost every team that has won a title did it with at least two hall of famers on their team. You can literally sit here and name the expections to that. Lakers, Celtics, Bulls--all of the dynasties had multiple hall of famers on their team. And for the Lakers they've had multiple times through their history where they've had at least two of top five players in the game on their side ala the Heat.

The talent level of these teams is not new, and if you knew your NBA history you'd know that.

The thing that has changed is that the players are the ones assembling the teams now, not the organizations.

Which is of course a direct effect of the NBA's max salary restrictions in the CBA which make it not really that much of a big deal financially for a star to take less money to sign somewhere else, because they make more off the court anyways.

The difference between what the Cavs could have offered Lebron to keep him, and what he Heat got him with, is a drop in the hat compared to how much more money he'll make if he wins a ring with the Heat. If the Cavs had put another star with Lebron like the Thunder did with Durant, I doubt Lebron would have left in the end. But his final year there was nothing on that team with a future.

[EscapoTHB]

Oh and before you applaud Dirk and the Mavs--don't forget they had one of the highest salaries in the entire game. If the Heat had spent as much money on their roster as Cuban had, the heat would have swept, all in blowouts. The Mavs had Dirk and just about every top role playing former star you can get--and they still only won because Lebron choked.

[Raps in 4]

^ Yeppers.

I'm still trying to figure out what the "Super teams" have won?

Guys clicking up like this isn't a guarantee of a title, it's a guarantee of having a better shot maybe but not a title.

It's not what they've won, but how they've thinned out the league's talent pool. The NBA (like any sport) is in short supply of superstars, and having them band together like this only magnifies the problem. The NBA is quickly becoming the basketball equivalent of a European soccer league.

[USA]

Dirk didn't have the average "roleplayers." Most of those "roleplayers" were all-stars before.

Who cares about the past? Jason Kidd at 39 isnt an all star.

He may not have the physical ability of an allstar anymore but he most definitely has the mental ability of an allstar and that is huge. Same goes for any past allstar players. They played at that level and know what it takes. That mental aspect is irreplaceable.

[picc]

Kidd did more for that Mavs team than a lot of 'actual' all-stars did for their teams in the playoffs. Make no mistake, the Mavs do not prove you don't need a plethora of talent to win a title in this league.