Superstars cant win alone, so they need to join forces?

[rpa]

I don't care what any of these guys do but market isn't the most important factor. It's winning and if they don't think they can win where they are at, they will leave. Being in a good market is just a bonus.

****. If winning is so much more important then Paul would demand a trade to the Clippers or Thunder--both with FAR more talent than the Knicks. He wants the market and "prestige" of NY.

[TheDunc]

Im sorry if i prefer my superstars to be competing against each other and not choosing who to team up with to win a ring.

[BadMojo]

I don't care what any of these guys do but market isn't the most important factor. It's winning and if they don't think they can win where they are at, they will leave. Being in a good market is just a bonus.

****. If winning is so much more important then Paul would demand a trade to the Clippers or Thunder--both with FAR more talent than the Knicks. He wants the market and "prestige" of NY.

You don't think he's thinking the same as James, Wade and Bosh thought? That if the 3 team up, 3 big time players, that they can fill out the roster with whoever else they want to fill it out with and win anyway? I think that's what he's thinking. If he wins, and he wins in New York, the city will immortalize him and that's a bonus that trumps the smaller markets and their talent.

Do you think he would have insisted on going to New York if Amare and Carmelo weren't already there? I think it's a combination. If they didn't have those guys the market wouldn't mean ****. I can't see him insisting on going there if this were the Knicks of yesteryear. Like I was getting at earlier, I didn't see a lot of big names trying to force their way to NYC when they weren't any good and had no top talent.

If given the choice between winning in a small market or winning in a big market I can see many choosing the bigger market. But that still doesn't make the market the #1 factor. If it was the #1 factor then the Knicks wouldn't have been as bad as they were for as long as they were. Even being over the cap for so long, they spent and spent and would have kept spending if any big time FA wanted to go there.

[sefant77]

No superstar can win alone, but a superstar with very good role players like Dallas had can win. Look i have no problem with a superstar being joined by another star because the gm made a good trade. What i have a problem with is these players forcing there way on to the same team. These superstars are taking the easiest way out. Dont get me wrong these teams will be entertaining to watch while the other 25 teams wont be. How can anyone deny whats happening in the nba right now. The nba's biggest stars are all joining together to try and win a ring. I will not be impressed one bit if they do.

In the past it was the JOB of the superstar to make the roleplayer look better than they actually are (Barea is a perfect example for it last season). And just if the superstar is able to put every player in his sweet spots then they could compete.

Thats why "Superteams" are always the easy way out.

[BobbyBuckets]

it must be a Redeem Team mentality

I really don't want any of these "superstars" representing my country next year

[Doomsta]

Role players can not win alone either

[TheDunc]

Role players can not win alone either

Which is why the superstars shouldnt all be playing on the same teams, role players need superstars and the superstars need role players. The league would be much more balanced and alot of teams would have a shot at winning a championship.

[picc]

Random question. If CP3 demanded a trade to the Mavs, should he catch flack considering the Mavs only have one allstar? So apparently they aren't a superteam, unlike the current New York Knicks.

[Mik317]

Role players can not win alone either

Which is why the superstars shouldnt all be playing on the same teams, role players need superstars and the superstars need role players. The league would be much more balanced and alot of teams would have a shot at winning a championship.

and how do you propose to do that?

There is nothing you can do to keep superstars from playing with each other. If they want to do it..then they will do it.

It only comes down to if their old teams want to get something for them or just to let them walk for nothing.

[Prop]

if you could get a job with a better company that has better co-workers, gives you more of a chance to succeed, gives you more earning potential and gives you a better city/lifestyle would you want the job?

no. no, you wouldn't...and that's because you're the typical realgm member. you're righteous, you're honorable, you're supremely intelligent. "competitive desire" (the urge do it all myself) oozes from every pore. you piss humilty and shyt virtue.

you stand triumphantly, nay, defiantly on your soapbox and say "NO! I do not want to improve my situation in every possible way! I'm far too noble to leave a mediocre franchise that's going nowhere! I do not play competitive sports to become a champion, I play sports to give me the platform to share my superior morality with the masses!"

you guys are the best.

[deNIEd]

No superstar can win alone, but a superstar with very good role players like Dallas had can win. Look i have no problem with a superstar being joined by another star because the gm made a good trade. What i have a problem with is these players forcing there way on to the same team. These superstars are taking the easiest way out. Dont get me wrong these teams will be entertaining to watch while the other 25 teams wont be. How can anyone deny whats happening in the nba right now. The nba's biggest stars are all joining together to try and win a ring. I will not be impressed one bit if they do.

Question. If you were a superstar level player and your GM has failed in the past 6-7 years to build a team capable of contending, EVEN though you have played far better than anyone has expected and raised the entire level of your team by yourself. What do you do? Do you stay with your team and never win a title? (let's face it, some of these GM's do not have the ability to put together a contending team, regardless of how great their superstar is), or do you attempt to put yourself in a winning situation.

[deNIEd]

What I want to know, is at what point does a player have the right to say "enough is enough" and leave the team because he knows that team will never contend or win (such as KG in Minnesota).

[biscuitsNgrady]

if you could get a job with a better company that has better co-workers, gives you more of a chance to succeed, gives you more earning potential and gives you a better city/lifestyle would you want the job?

no. no, you wouldn't...and that's because you're the typical realgm member. you're righteous, you're honorable, you're supremely intelligent. "competitive desire" (the urge do it all myself) oozes from every pore. you piss humilty and shyt virtue.

you stand triumphantly, nay, defiantly on your soapbox and say "NO! I do not want to improve my situation in every possible way! I'm far too noble to leave a mediocre franchise that's going nowhere! I do not play competitive sports to become a champion, I play sports to give me the platform to share my superior morality with the masses!"

you guys are the best.

lol, i agree with this.

[GreenHat]

This is ridiculous, why do superstars feel the need to join other superstars? The question is pretty simple. Seriously we have the all star game if they want to play with each other. All these superstars want to win a ring the easy way. I loved the nba back in the day when teams had a star and great role players. Players these days have the wrong mentality. They should all be wanting to compete hard against each other. Not join forces and just win because of an abundance of talent. The nba looks like a watered down league when only a quarter of its teams have all the talent. If all these stars chose a team each, we would be in for some great competition every night.

Back in what day? Stars have been playing together since the 60s.

[AshyLarry]

This is ridiculous, why do superstars feel the need to join other superstars? The question is pretty simple. Seriously we have the all star game if they want to play with each other. All these superstars want to win a ring the easy way. I loved the nba back in the day when teams had a star and great role players. Players these days have the wrong mentality. They should all be wanting to compete hard against each other. Not join forces and just win because of an abundance of talent. The nba looks like a watered down league when only a quarter of its teams have all the talent. If all these stars chose a team each, we would be in for some great competition every night.

Back in what day? Stars have been playing together since the 60s.

yeah they played together but they grew together meaning they were drafted in the teams not forced their way to each other.

[Mik317]

What I want to know, is at what point does a player have the right to say "enough is enough" and leave the team because he knows that team will never contend or win (such as KG in Minnesota).

This.

I really want to know the answer to this guys.

7 years obviously is not enough, rite?

[AshyLarry]

lol maybe 13 years? i dont know, thats what i would do if i was a superstar, id be like "give me 13 years, and hell if i cant do it, ill ring chase somehwere"

[Mik317]

lol maybe 13 years? i dont know, thats what i would do if i was a superstar, id be like "give me 13 years, and hell if i cant do it, ill ring chase somehwere"

Who is to say you;d even be worth **** after 13 years? I don't get it really. It's okay that the teams can trade you for a bag of chips if they wished to no matter how loyal you've been and yet when the players exercise their ability to move on people go **** about how they should stay loyal and ****.

Look once again it sucks that Melo "forced" his way to New York but when you look at it as it is (i.e the fact that Denver didn't have to trade Melo to New York if they wanted to..but it was lose him for something or lose him for nothing), it's the way it's gonna be.

No salary cap in the world could force players to play in Utah if they didn't want to play there.

You got 7 years. Make the most of them and hope you win.

[deNIEd]

What I want to know, is at what point does a player have the right to say "enough is enough" and leave the team because he knows that team will never contend or win (such as KG in Minnesota).

This.

I really want to know the answer to this guys.

7 years obviously is not enough, rite?

I'm not saying I support players grouping up together (especially as a small market King's fan), but I can certainly understand it.

Kevin Garnett spent 12 years in Minnesota, where his main help was Steph Marbury, Wally Szczerbiak, and Terrell Brandon.
Lebron James spent 7 years in Cleveland.
Carmelo Anthony spent 8 years in Denver.
Chris Paul has spent 6 years in New Orleans.
Dwight Howard has spent 7 years in Orlando.

Kobe "the competitor" spent only 3 years on a losing/mediocre Lakers team and threatened that he wanted out.

For as much as I hate players forming super teams, I don't think many front offices deserve the talent that fell into their laps.

[deNIEd]

lol maybe 13 years? i dont know, thats what i would do if i was a superstar, id be like "give me 13 years, and hell if i cant do it, ill ring chase somehwere"

Wouldn't this simply show that your loyalty instincts outweigh your competitive instincts?

If MJ, Kobe, Magic, Bird, etc., were all so competitive, why they didn't they ask to play 4 v 5? That would have made things REALLY hard for them.

At some point, reality has to kick in and you have to acknowledge that you are in an unwinnable situation.