Superstars cant win alone, so they need to join forces?

[Ditchweed]

Not everyone wants to move to 6 spots...and even if they wanted to...they couldn't.

If the Knicks get Paul or Howard that's it for them. The Heat can't add anyone else either. So we are looking at 3 at the most superteams.

There are other players in the league and great talent on the way.

Also Wade isn't getting any younger...Stat has bad knees...Dwight can't get the ball in the clutch...Paul statwise has been regressing...LeBron has no balls...Bosh is a Ostrich...

It's not guranteed that these teams win.

Chill out with the end of the world stuff guys...it's gonna be okay

Actually, that's what I am counting on and hoping for, that these superstar teams fail, and yes that can happen especially if one star gets hurt. However I am not alone and it creates a new type of fan, not one that pulls for his own team but rather one who pulls against a different team.

What I would like to see is a hard cap and no max contracts, so that a Wade can cry and complain to get his $50 million but the team is then left with virtually nothing to fill in the other players. In that scenario a team going the prima donna superstar route would be more subject to failure than a team that spreads out its expenditures for a more balanced team.

[Mik317]

Not everyone wants to move to 6 spots...and even if they wanted to...they couldn't.

If the Knicks get Paul or Howard that's it for them. The Heat can't add anyone else either. So we are looking at 3 at the most superteams.

There are other players in the league and great talent on the way.

Also Wade isn't getting any younger...Stat has bad knees...Dwight can't get the ball in the clutch...Paul statwise has been regressing...LeBron has no balls...Bosh is a Ostrich...

It's not guranteed that these teams win.

Chill out with the end of the world stuff guys...it's gonna be okay

Actually, that's what I am counting on and hoping for, that these superstar teams fail, and yes that can happen especially if one star gets hurt. However I am not alone and it creates a new type of fan, not one that pulls for his own team but rather one who pulls against a different team.

What I would like to see is a hard cap and no max contracts, so that a Wade can cry and complain to get his $50 million but the team is then left with virtually nothing to fill in the other players. In that scenario a team going the prima donna superstar route would be more subject to failure than a team that spreads out its expenditures for a more balanced team.

No sure if that's a bad thing. More fans no matter what the reason is good for the league.

As for the hard cap thing,.I'm not smart enough to argue if that;s good or not so maybe it would work. But there is no way the players would agree to that so it's a moot point. Hopefully the next few draft classes are as badass as everyone hopes...but then they would put the 2 years thing in and mess things up again. We are just getting back to great drafts it looks like

[Prop]

the comparison is fine. you just choose to miss the point.

the fact of the matter is, y'all are not, not a single one of you, are above what these guys are doing. you just don't have the opportunity. you just sit on your keyboards and get your holier than thou on. if you know it was possible to improve your job/lifestyle/financial situation in one move, one very possible move...don't even try to tell me that you wouldn't be strongly interested in it, if not pursuing it outright, even if it hurt your former employer. cuz if you did, you'd be a fukking liar.

and yeah, maybe the league needs a little contraction.

[Ditchweed]

the comparison is fine. you just choose to miss the point.

the fact of the matter is, y'all are not, not a single one of you, are above what these guys are doing. you just don't have the opportunity. you just sit on your keyboards and get your holier than thou on. if you know it was possible to improve your job/lifestyle/financial situation in one move, one very possible move...don't even try to tell me that you wouldn't be strongly interested in it, if not pursuing it outright, even if it hurt your former employer. cuz if you did, you'd be a fukking liar.

and yeah, maybe the league needs a little contraction.

Cut the holier than thou blab. It is not an equivalent comparison. If they want to leave the league and go elsewhere such as Europe, that is their choice, let them go to wherever they want, as long as they don't expect to stay within the NBA league.

If you work for a company that has 30 branch offices and it says they want you to work in Cleveland, then you work in Cleveland. If you don't like it, leave the company and go elsewhere. If you want to stay in the company, work in Cleveland.

[Mik317]

the comparison is fine. you just choose to miss the point.

the fact of the matter is, y'all are not, not a single one of you, are above what these guys are doing. you just don't have the opportunity. you just sit on your keyboards and get your holier than thou on. if you know it was possible to improve your job/lifestyle/financial situation in one move, one very possible move...don't even try to tell me that you wouldn't be strongly interested in it, if not pursuing it outright, even if it hurt your former employer. cuz if you did, you'd be a fukking liar.

and yeah, maybe the league needs a little contraction.

Cut the holier than thou blab. It is not an equivalent comparison. If they want to leave the league and go elsewhere such as Europe, that is their choice, let them go to wherever they want, as long as they don't expect to stay within the NBA league.

If you work for a company that has 30 branch offices and it says they want you to work in Cleveland, then you work in Cleveland. If you don't like it, leave the company and go elsewhere. If you want to stay in the company, work in Cleveland.

Dude they are FREE agents...they can go to whatever team they want.

wtf?

[Ditchweed]

Not everyone wants to move to 6 spots...and even if they wanted to...they couldn't.

If the Knicks get Paul or Howard that's it for them. The Heat can't add anyone else either. So we are looking at 3 at the most superteams.

There are other players in the league and great talent on the way.

Also Wade isn't getting any younger...Stat has bad knees...Dwight can't get the ball in the clutch...Paul statwise has been regressing...LeBron has no balls...Bosh is a Ostrich...

It's not guranteed that these teams win.

Chill out with the end of the world stuff guys...it's gonna be okay

Actually, that's what I am counting on and hoping for, that these superstar teams fail, and yes that can happen especially if one star gets hurt. However I am not alone and it creates a new type of fan, not one that pulls for his own team but rather one who pulls against a different team.

What I would like to see is a hard cap and no max contracts, so that a Wade can cry and complain to get his $50 million but the team is then left with virtually nothing to fill in the other players. In that scenario a team going the prima donna superstar route would be more subject to failure than a team that spreads out its expenditures for a more balanced team.

No sure if that's a bad thing. More fans no matter what the reason is good for the league.

As for the hard cap thing,.I'm not smart enough to argue if that;s good or not so maybe it would work. But there is no way the players would agree to that so it's a moot point. Hopefully the next few draft classes are as badass as everyone hopes...but then they would put the 2 years thing in and mess things up again. We are just getting back to great drafts it looks like

New good draftees certainly help, but what we don't want is that the bottom 24 teams just become a temporary training site and swinging door so that the best new players can also just opt out after a few years and move from their drafting team to the top six teams.

[Ditchweed]

the comparison is fine. you just choose to miss the point.

the fact of the matter is, y'all are not, not a single one of you, are above what these guys are doing. you just don't have the opportunity. you just sit on your keyboards and get your holier than thou on. if you know it was possible to improve your job/lifestyle/financial situation in one move, one very possible move...don't even try to tell me that you wouldn't be strongly interested in it, if not pursuing it outright, even if it hurt your former employer. cuz if you did, you'd be a fukking liar.

and yeah, maybe the league needs a little contraction.

Cut the holier than thou blab. It is not an equivalent comparison. If they want to leave the league and go elsewhere such as Europe, that is their choice, let them go to wherever they want, as long as they don't expect to stay within the NBA league.

If you work for a company that has 30 branch offices and it says they want you to work in Cleveland, then you work in Cleveland. If you don't like it, leave the company and go elsewhere. If you want to stay in the company, work in Cleveland.

Dude they are FREE agents...they can go to whatever team they want.

wtf?

Yes they can, but the comparison to a regular separate businesses is not valid. Free agency will always be available for players and they can go to any other league in the world that they want.

However, is the NBA one business with 30 teams ... or thirty separate independent businesses. Unless the NBA acts as one business and has system changes that will halt the player flow to a few teams, it will suffer as a league.

[dangermouse]

Also Wade isn't getting any younger...Stat has bad knees...Dwight can't get the ball in the clutch...Paul statwise has been regressing...LeBron has no balls...Bosh is a Ostrich...

[styLesdavis]

Do you guys know what is the best in this years free agency where almost every upcoming free agent superstar is going to force a trade?

The greatness of Dirk Nowitzki is increasing sky high.
A single superstar who was loyal to his franchise for over a decade and never forced anything but just played his heart out. And he did that even by knowing that the chances of winning a championship with their current roster was anywhere near 10-20%.

And right now the "learn effect" from last year finals: CP3, Howard und D-Will are forcing trades to team up with each other. FAIL.

[Raps in 4]

Do you guys know what is the best in this years free agency where almost every upcoming free agent superstar is going to force a trade?

The greatness of Dirk Nowitzki is increasing sky high.
A single superstar who was loyal to his franchise for over a decade and never forced anything but just played his heart out. And he did that even by knowing that the chances of winning a championship with their current roster was anywhere near 10-20%.

And right now the "learn effect" from last year finals: CP3, Howard und D-Will are forcing trades to team up with each other. FAIL.

Nash is another prime example. He never won that ring, but he stuck with his team. He's wasting the final years of his career on a rebuilding team now, but I haven't heard him complain once. I respect a ringless player like that much more than someone who went ring-chasing at the age of 25.

[SacTownKings4Life]

if you could get a job with a better company that has better co-workers, gives you more of a chance to succeed, gives you more earning potential and gives you a better city/lifestyle would you want the job?

no. no, you wouldn't...and that's because you're the typical realgm member. you're righteous, you're honorable, you're supremely intelligent. "competitive desire" (the urge do it all myself) oozes from every pore. you piss humilty and shyt virtue.

you stand triumphantly, nay, defiantly on your soapbox and say "NO! I do not want to improve my situation in every possible way! I'm far too noble to leave a mediocre franchise that's going nowhere! I do not play competitive sports to become a champion, I play sports to give me the platform to share my superior morality with the masses!"

you guys are the best.

+1

[SacTownKings4Life]

wow 34 years old Jason Terry is all star caliber now ?
why did he never make any all star team then ? and why was his disappearing act the past 3 years the reason the Mavs never advanced deep into the playoffs, I guess his .399 FG% (!!!!) over the last 3 post seasons is all star like to you.

Stojakovic and his 6 minutes per game really helped in the finals too.

38 year old Kidd and 33 year old vastly past their prime guys played well, thats for sure. but if you look at their impact, both had negative value while on the floor for the playoffs (Kidd: -0.64, Marion -7.81)

It was Dirk with his mind boggling +16.59 who made everyone around him better.

you have to get back to 94 to find someone who was surrounded with that many role players and willed his team on his own to the championship with his superb offense.

Ok, you're just being stupid now. You said he had NO all stars. I showed you he did. Now it doesn't matter that they were all stars, they're just too old and didn't do anything at all to contribute to the title whatsoever. Dirk Nowitzki scored all 80-something of their points in every single game and carried them single-handedly to the promise land. You act as if HE was the one playing on the Cleveland Cavaliers or something. Raining in 3's is negative value? Ok, whatever man...

[Scraptor]

the comparison is fine. you just choose to miss the point.

the fact of the matter is, y'all are not, not a single one of you, are above what these guys are doing. you just don't have the opportunity. you just sit on your keyboards and get your holier than thou on. if you know it was possible to improve your job/lifestyle/financial situation in one move, one very possible move...don't even try to tell me that you wouldn't be strongly interested in it, if not pursuing it outright, even if it hurt your former employer. cuz if you did, you'd be a fukking liar.

and yeah, maybe the league needs a little contraction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

It's easy to rationalize a me-first attitude. But something important is being tarnished in the NBA right now.

[styLesdavis]

if you could get a job with a better company that has better co-workers, gives you more of a chance to succeed, gives you more earning potential and gives you a better city/lifestyle would you want the job?

no. no, you wouldn't...and that's because you're the typical realgm member. you're righteous, you're honorable, you're supremely intelligent. "competitive desire" (the urge do it all myself) oozes from every pore. you piss humilty and shyt virtue.

you stand triumphantly, nay, defiantly on your soapbox and say "NO! I do not want to improve my situation in every possible way! I'm far too noble to leave a mediocre franchise that's going nowhere! I do not play competitive sports to become a champion, I play sports to give me the platform to share my superior morality with the masses!"

you guys are the best.

+1

...so you guys would give up the chance to be the "main reason" why your current company could be succesfull because of your skills? You give up the chance to be "the reason why"?
You basically give up the chance to be some kind of Steve Jobst to be one of the jonas brothers.

[CrazyB0y]

wow 34 years old Jason Terry is all star caliber now ?
why did he never make any all star team then ? and why was his disappearing act the past 3 years the reason the Mavs never advanced deep into the playoffs, I guess his .399 FG% (!!!!) over the last 3 post seasons is all star like to you.

Stojakovic and his 6 minutes per game really helped in the finals too.

38 year old Kidd and 33 year old vastly past their prime guys played well, thats for sure. but if you look at their impact, both had negative value while on the floor for the playoffs (Kidd: -0.64, Marion -7.81)

It was Dirk with his mind boggling +16.59 who made everyone around him better.

you have to get back to 94 to find someone who was surrounded with that many role players and willed his team on his own to the championship with his superb offense.

Ok, you're just being stupid now. You said he had NO all stars. I showed you he did. Now it doesn't matter that they were all stars, they're just too old and didn't do anything at all to contribute to the title whatsoever. Raining in 3's is negative value? Ok, whatever man...

are you serious? you are dead wrong man.

it's a matter of fact that Dirk was the only all star on this team, so he had NO all stars.
doesn't matter that players who are way past his prime once made the all star team, they aren't all star level _right now_.
or would you suggest that Miami had a starting five full of all stars?
next to Lebron, Bosh and Wade those guys made the all star team once too:
Stackhouse, Magloire, Howard, Big Z ... then all star calibre players like Bibby and Miller.

[droponov]

Dirk played for +50 wins teams his entire career, with competent management and an owner willing to spend money.

It's easy to be loyal to your franchise when you're given all the reasons to be loyal.

It's like comparing Bird/Magic/Jordan with Moses Malone and Dr. J. Were Malone and J bad guys because they forced their way into Philly?

[sefant77]

if you could get a job with a better company that has better co-workers, gives you more of a chance to succeed, gives you more earning potential and gives you a better city/lifestyle would you want the job?

no. no, you wouldn't...and that's because you're the typical realgm member. you're righteous, you're honorable, you're supremely intelligent. "competitive desire" (the urge do it all myself) oozes from every pore. you piss humilty and shyt virtue.

you stand triumphantly, nay, defiantly on your soapbox and say "NO! I do not want to improve my situation in every possible way! I'm far too noble to leave a mediocre franchise that's going nowhere! I do not play competitive sports to become a champion, I play sports to give me the platform to share my superior morality with the masses!"

you guys are the best.

+1

Again: They signed contracts. They always go for maximum years and maximum money. If they dont wanna risk to be stuck somewhere in a few years, dont sign such contracts.

But of course they want all. The contract and the freedom to bitch their way out of the contract to a better place and blame then the team for not putting the right pieces together.

[droponov]

if you could get a job with a better company that has better co-workers, gives you more of a chance to succeed, gives you more earning potential and gives you a better city/lifestyle would you want the job?

no. no, you wouldn't...and that's because you're the typical realgm member. you're righteous, you're honorable, you're supremely intelligent. "competitive desire" (the urge do it all myself) oozes from every pore. you piss humilty and shyt virtue.

you stand triumphantly, nay, defiantly on your soapbox and say "NO! I do not want to improve my situation in every possible way! I'm far too noble to leave a mediocre franchise that's going nowhere! I do not play competitive sports to become a champion, I play sports to give me the platform to share my superior morality with the masses!"

you guys are the best.

+1

Again: They signed contracts. They always go for maximum years and maximum money. If they dont wanna risk to be stuck somewhere in a few years, dont sign such contracts.

But of course they want all. The contract and the freedom to bitch their way out of the contract to a better place and blame then the team for not putting the right pieces together.

I think the only bitching comes from people like you who want the players to stick with their teams after the contract is over.

Is Paul saying he won't play for the Hornets? Nope, only that the won't re-sign with them. Same with LeBron or Bosh or Amare.

You should think quite hard on what you just write.

The only problem here is this idea that players owe teams something else besides fulfilling their contracts.

[Dr Aki]

I think the only bitching comes from people like you who want the players to stick with their teams after the contract is over.

Is Paul saying he won't play for the Hornets? Nope, only that the won't re-sign with them. Same with LeBron or Bosh or Amare.

You should think quite hard on what you just write.

The only problem here is this idea that players owe teams something else besides fulfilling their contracts.

+1

those teams signed those guys to contracts with definite time-frames, they stayed the full length, gave it their best and things didn't end up as peachy as everyone hoped.

now as a marquee player, they've done their probationary period on the team that drafted them, and then signed an extension on top.

now as a free agent now want to go ply their trade in a city they want, on a team that gives a better chance of success.

the problem is always the fans that cant let go. as if they expect the player has the same loyalty the fans of the team have

[SacTownKings4Life]

...so you guys would give up the chance to be the "main reason" why your current company could be succesfull because of your skills? You give up the chance to be "the reason why"?
You basically give up the chance to be some kind of Steve Jobst to be one of the jonas brothers.

To be the main reason why your local minimum wage Mcdonalds makes a few extra bucks for its administrators, while you struggle paycheck to paycheck? Or to be a smaller part of a fortune 500 company where you can earn enough to live quite comfortably? Hmm...

Seriously, you guys are making no logical sense right now. WHO WOULD REALLY DO THAT IN THEIR REAL LIVES?