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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#301 » by closg00 » Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:32 pm

Charlotte Bobcats coach Paul Silas plans to install a zone defense next season, in part to allow him to play guards D.J. Augustin and Kemba Walker in the same backcourt.

Silas can't talk specifically about players during the NBA lockout. But there's no doubt who he meant when he said Thursday, "I'm going to have two little guys out there who I really think can hopefully play together. But it's going to be hard for either of them to guard a 2-guard.

"But they could play in a zone...out-front.''

Augustin and Walker each is about 6-foot-1.


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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#302 » by verbal8 » Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:42 am

The discussion about Dwight Howard in the FA thread, made me think there is a decent chance that Howard gets traded. I think Orlando's plan A would be to improve the team and retain Howard. The only way I think this works is if Arenas and Turkoglu play at a level close to their contracts.

However looking at Utah/Denver vs. Cleveland/Toronto, I think the Magic strongly consider trading Howard as plan B. It also lets Howard choose the team he goes to. I think the Magic try to move Arenas with Howard, but I think there is almost no chance of that happening. However I think a contender would be willing to take Turkoglu as part of the cost of acquiring Dwight Howard.

I think the Lakers might be willing to offer Bynum and Gasol for Howard and Turkoglu. The Lakers could probably throw in a couple 1sts, but that isn't a huge incentive to the deal.

It leaves them with a need at PF, but that is a pretty small cost to get one of the best players in the NBA. I think the deal could become a true blockbuster if the Lakers take on a bad deal(Diop maybe?) to get another 1st to send to the Magic. Gasol might also be flipped for another pick or two. The Magic would be in great shape to rebuild(possibly 5 extra picks and Bynum) after they ride out the end of Arenas' deal. Howard ends up on an instant contender in a large market.

I think OKC has the best shot at a young talent for Howard deal. It would give Howard another young star and a much longer contending window. For Orlando they wouldn't get the raw amount of potential talent, but it could be guys who are cheap and somewhat proven(maybe Ibaka and Harden).
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Post#303 » by closg00 » Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:42 pm

I have seen a couple of articles like this lately.
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Post#304 » by closg00 » Thu Aug 4, 2011 12:04 pm

Insanity, Kahn is seriously considering Brown for the Minny's coaching gig. If you're a Raps fan, you have to be pulling for Mitchell.
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Post#305 » by Vindicater » Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:55 pm

The Wolves will not take Brown.
"That's why the last two years weren't guaranteed," Walsh said. "Either way, he knew it could have happened either way."
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Post#306 » by fugop » Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:36 am

For those with some affection for Demarcus Cousins, take a look at what he did to his Sacramento Kings teammate Francisco Garcia in an exhibition game between University of Kentucky alumni and the Dominican Republic national team:

http://www.cardchronicle.com/2011/8/15/ ... plays-with

The DR team, led by Garcia, Horford, and Edgar Sosa, beat the UK team badly.

Instead, it was more like a rock concert atmosphere. The Kentucky Pros, which included John Wall, Rajon Rondo, Tayshaun Prince, DeMarcus Cousins, Keith Bogans, Nazr Mohammed, Eric Bledsoe and Jodie Meeks, were treated like rock stars, the crowd erupting to a cheer as they took the floor, just as if a band were taking the stage.

Only this all-star band had not played together for a while, if at all.

There were plenty of off notes, botched tunes and forgotten lyrics.

Instead, it was the former Louisville players who really rocked. Francisco Garcia scored a game-high 30 points. Edgar Sosa added 29 for the winners.

Still, despite the outcome, it was a treat to see the old band back together.

"It was like an NBA playoff atmosphere in here," said Calipari afterward of the crowd. "Del Harris (his assistant) turned to me and was like, 'What is this?' "

"It was emotional coming out there and hearing your name called," said Wall.

"Breathtaking," Rondo called it.

"It was the same Rupp, hasn't changed," Cousins said. "They cheer for us even when we lose."

Cousins finished with 28 points, 14 rebounds and an impromptu Dougie dance after the game was over. Meet the new Boogie, same as the old Boogie. That included some jawing with opponents and referees.

At one point, Cousins tossed Garcia like a rag doll nearly to the floor for a foul. Thing is Garcia and Cousins are teammates with the Sacramento Kings. They slapped palms afterward.

Jodie Meeks scored 17 points and hit three three-pointers. John Wall scored 15, but his shot has gained some rust in the current NBA lockout. Wall was 3-for-13 from the floor.

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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#307 » by LyricalRico » Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:22 pm

Time to start discussing scuttlebutt again!

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The whisper at One Center Court is that Trail Blazers owner Paul Allen won't bother to take one last look at Brandon Roy before he goes amnesty clause on the guy who won all those games for him.

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"Brandon's out," a league executive told me Monday. "Don't know the exact details, but everyone around the league knows it's way, way done. Paul and Bert (Kolde) are calling the shots on this one."


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As everyone knows, Roy’s athleticism has been significantly diminished by knee injuries, and he’s been injury prone lately. But the Warriors are willing to use what he has for the right price. They view him as a good locker room presence (which is what they need for rookie Klay Thompson), someone with good size and a great skillset, and another option for late in games. With Monta Ellis and Stephen Curry in tow, the Warriors have the luxury of not needing Roy to be the All-Star he once was. If he is willing to come off the bench and play more of a complimentary role, the Warriors would probably make an offer (depending on how things go with their other targets).

I’m told the Seattle native would prefer to stay on the West Coast, and he would like to play for the Warriors. It needs to be pointed out that Roy’s former agent, Bob Myers, is now the assistant GM for the Warriors.


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Post#308 » by LyricalRico » Thu Dec 1, 2011 10:40 pm

Chris Paul’s agent informed New Orleans Hornets officials on Wednesday that his client will not sign a contract extension and wants to be traded to the New York Knicks, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

As soon as the NBA lifts its lockout restrictions, Hornets general manager Dell Demps wants to meet with Paul and hear that directive from him.

Nevertheless, the prospects of the Hornets executing a trade with the Knicks appear to be dim, if not impossible. The Knicks simply don’t have the trade assets that come close to meeting New Orleans’ criteria for a deal. Demps has been listening to overtures from teams around the league, and has been actively working under the assumption that Paul would reject a contract extension.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=y ... ade_120111

I keep thinking that NY might have a shot if they can find a third team that wants Chauncey Billups. Maybe a team trying to cut salary gives up guys who can play that are on longer deals? Or they include picks for his expiring? I guess those odds diminish with the amnesty provision, but I'm still somewhat intrigued.
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Post#309 » by doclinkin » Thu Dec 1, 2011 11:52 pm

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I keep thinking that NY might have a shot if they can find a third team that wants Chauncey Billups. Maybe a team trying to cut salary gives up guys who can play that are on longer deals? Or they include picks for his expiring? I guess those odds diminish with the amnesty provision, but I'm still somewhat intrigued.


Chauncey Billups would be an ideal veteran mentor for John Wall if we could land him without giving up anything really. Of course that's the problem. But if New Orleans looks to lose him anyway then maybe they can take table scraps plus whatever New York is offering.

Still, Billups career was rescued under Flip. He knows the system, was tutoring John Wall in the Impact 'Lockout League' in Vegas over the summer and they apparently became good friends.

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Post#310 » by verbal8 » Fri Dec 2, 2011 12:36 pm

I think if the Hornets deal Paul, there is a decent chance the team gets contracted. Losing Paul would really kill the franchise' value. I think the contender that comes closest to having the assets for a deal is Boston. Something around Rondo and a Jeff Green S&T. Although maybe Bynum/Odom for Paul/Okafor has some appeal. I think Gasol/Bynum would be too high a price for Paul.

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Chris Paul’s agent informed New Orleans Hornets officials on Wednesday that his client will not sign a contract extension and wants to be traded to the New York Knicks, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

As soon as the NBA lifts its lockout restrictions, Hornets general manager Dell Demps wants to meet with Paul and hear that directive from him.

Nevertheless, the prospects of the Hornets executing a trade with the Knicks appear to be dim, if not impossible. The Knicks simply don’t have the trade assets that come close to meeting New Orleans’ criteria for a deal. Demps has been listening to overtures from teams around the league, and has been actively working under the assumption that Paul would reject a contract extension.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=y ... ade_120111

I keep thinking that NY might have a shot if they can find a third team that wants Chauncey Billups. Maybe a team trying to cut salary gives up guys who can play that are on longer deals? Or they include picks for his expiring? I guess those odds diminish with the amnesty provision, but I'm still somewhat intrigued.
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Post#311 » by willbcocks » Fri Dec 2, 2011 1:16 pm

Honestly, I'm not seeing Chris Paul to New York. It's not just that NY doesn't have enough pieces to put together a decent trade; even if they put their best trade together, it's not much better for NO than if they just let Paul walk. And they don't have the cap space to sign him in the offseason unless he leaves serious money on the table (and watches two teammates earn full maxes). NY needs Fields or their Rookie to absolutely blowup--and the odds of that are not good.

NO would be better served trading him without an extension to a number of teams.
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Post#312 » by mhd » Fri Dec 2, 2011 4:20 pm

NO can get a better package from Orlando for Chris Paul than NY. Paul and DH would sign extensions to stay too. Nelson+Reddick+Orton+Ryan Anderson+future 1st for Paul+Ariza is a better deal. Hornets shed Ariza's deal. They can trade Nelson and Reddick for better pieces too (Reddick would be highly sought by playoff teams).
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Post#313 » by verbal8 » Fri Dec 2, 2011 4:44 pm

mhd wrote:NO can get a better package from Orlando for Chris Paul than NY. Paul and DH would sign extensions to stay too. Nelson+Reddick+Orton+Ryan Anderson+future 1st for Paul+Ariza is a better deal. Hornets shed Ariza's deal. They can trade Nelson and Reddick for better pieces too (Reddick would be highly sought by playoff teams).


That is a decent offer, but it doesn't really give the team anyone to build around. It also really strips the supporting cast of the Magic.

I think with NO, Okafor sticks around until Paul leaves or is traded. Then I think he gets amnestied, not so much because he is grossly overpaid, but because a lot of his deal would be picked up by someone else.
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Post#315 » by Rafael122 » Mon Dec 5, 2011 10:54 pm

If I were the Hornets, I'd ask for Andrew Bynum, Steve Blake and 2 1st round draft picks for Chris Paul.
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Post#316 » by Induveca » Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:07 am

willbcocks wrote:Honestly, I'm not seeing Chris Paul to New York. It's not just that NY doesn't have enough pieces to put together a decent trade; even if they put their best trade together, it's not much better for NO than if they just let Paul walk. And they don't have the cap space to sign him in the offseason unless he leaves serious money on the table (and watches two teammates earn full maxes). NY needs Fields or their Rookie to absolutely blowup--and the odds of that are not good.

NO would be better served trading him without an extension to a number of teams.


Read an interesting article earlier, that Paul basically is pulling the Anthony vibe. He's happy to be traded, but won't sign an extension anywhere. He spent nearly the entire lockout living in NYC hanging out with Carmelo Anthony.

Not reading into it too much, but going back last year he said he wanted to play in NY....rumors are still NY. There was even an article stating the Hornets are happy to send him there with a 3rd team involved out of respect for his loyalty to the city.

My only question is, if the NBA now owns the Hornets who the hell are these Hornets execs willing to make such a move? Mostly BS floating around, but it's obvious he wants to go to the Knicks. Been in the air far too long, and he's best friends with Anthony.

An Anthony/Paul/Stoudemire starting lineup is pretty damn scary. Easily the #1 or #2 seed. I put them a bit ahead of the Heat, Paul's assist totals would be ridiculous if you get one spot up three point shooter next to Anthony/Stoudemire.
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Post#317 » by dangermouse » Tue Dec 6, 2011 3:07 am

I'd still put the Heat above them because of their defense.
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Post#318 » by willbcocks » Tue Dec 6, 2011 3:52 am

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willbcocks wrote:Honestly, I'm not seeing Chris Paul to New York. It's not just that NY doesn't have enough pieces to put together a decent trade; even if they put their best trade together, it's not much better for NO than if they just let Paul walk. And they don't have the cap space to sign him in the offseason unless he leaves serious money on the table (and watches two teammates earn full maxes). NY needs Fields or their Rookie to absolutely blowup--and the odds of that are not good.

NO would be better served trading him without an extension to a number of teams.


Read an interesting article earlier, that Paul basically is pulling the Anthony vibe. He's happy to be traded, but won't sign an extension anywhere. He spent nearly the entire lockout living in NYC hanging out with Carmelo Anthony.

Not reading into it too much, but going back last year he said he wanted to play in NY....rumors are still NY. There was even an article stating the Hornets are happy to send him there with a 3rd team involved out of respect for his loyalty to the city.

My only question is, if the NBA now owns the Hornets who the hell are these Hornets execs willing to make such a move? Mostly BS floating around, but it's obvious he wants to go to the Knicks. Been in the air far too long, and he's best friends with Anthony.

An Anthony/Paul/Stoudemire starting lineup is pretty damn scary. Easily the #1 or #2 seed. I put them a bit ahead of the Heat, Paul's assist totals would be ridiculous if you get one spot up three point shooter next to Anthony/Stoudemire.


That would be a good team. I wouldn't mind seeing it either, as I would certainly cheer for them over Miami, and they would be on the downslope if we ever get our act together and are competing for a championship.

How friendly is he going to be hanging out next to Anthony knowing that he's getting paid 5-6 million per year less despite being a better player? That's what would happen if he goes as a FA. And with the hornets ownership situation and the Knicks utter lack of assets, I'm just not seeing a trade. It would reek of corruption since there will be better offers out there even if he doesn't agree to an extension...
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Post#319 » by verbal8 » Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:18 pm

Clippers offer DeAndre Jordan 5 years/40 million.

I think this puts the price tag for Nene, Chandler, Dalembert and probably West over $10 million/season.

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Post#320 » by Rafael122 » Tue Dec 6, 2011 1:29 pm

If I were Mitch Kupchak, I'd offer this to the Hornets:

Andrew Bynum/Steve Blake/2012 1st round draft pick/2 2012 2nd round draft picks for Chris Paul/Trevor Ariza (or Emeka Okafor)

Then I'd offer the Magic:

Pau Gasol/Lamar Odom/2014 1st round draft pick for Dwight Howard/Hedo/Chris Duhon

PG - Chris Paul
SG - Kobe
SF - Ariza
PF - ?
C - Howard

Bench: Hedo, Duhon, Barnes, Artest, Walton, Fisher.

Bench lacks scoring punch, and they would need a 4, but that's the only way I see them pulling off both deals if they trade Gasol/Bynum and Odom in deals.
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