Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2

[Marlo Stanfield]

I was on the Harrison Barnes bandwagon heavy since last year, but I'm moving over to Quincy Miller. I won't be mad if we draft Harrison but he seems so limited to jumpers offensively. Of course, Miller hasn't been anything to write home about this season either, I'll be honest. Also, Lamb is a nice choice imo, he just seems like the type of kid who goes about his business quietly and gets the job done, a silent killer.

[dagger]

http://www.thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/

Here's one of ESPN's best bloggers analyzing the field from Saturday's game. I like that he isn't being sucked up in the hype and questions the outlook for most of the big names, even suggests this next draft is being overrated.

[JamesNaismith]

On the topic of Lamb...the only issue I would have with picking him is if we still have great options at SF and does Lamb himself look to be a prospect at the level of a Wade or Kobe?!?!

If not, then I couldn't validate taking him. I think he's has more upside then Barnes BUT how much greater I don't know and then the question of fit and existing talent actually will make it a bit tougher to decide.

If he turns out to be a 24+ppg scorer in the NBA will he really improve our team that much if we don't have a guy that fits SF? Would we basically have the same effect with a guy like Barnes if he's scoring 22+ppg or so but atleast have a solid defender at SF?

I guess if it ever got to that point we could trade DeMar in a package for a great SF but who would be available and is it worth all the hassle? Personally I don't think so unless our only prospects were guys like Gilchrist, TJones etc. or Lamb was the "Durant" of SGs like some people are hyping him to be. For JL I definitely need to see how he looks by season end before I give a nod to him over even guys like Barnes and PJ3; with Drummond, Davis or Miller he's not even a consideration for me.

[Undefeated]

Andre Drummond and Anthony Davis are head and shoulders above every other prospect in terms of their potential to be a star. I don't like what I'm seeing from Drummond so far with his lack of hard play, but that can change as the season progresses. And playing with Shabazz Napier and Jeremy Lamb is kind of hard since the two practically make up UConn's scoring punch. Reminds me of Amar'e Stoudemire without the shooting or soft touch, but an excellent ball handler and passer for his size. If you can draft an Amar'e with a top 4 pick, you do it without thinking twice.

If the Raptors are grabbing a wing, that wing player has to at least fit 2 or 3 of these benchmarks; ability to make something happen when he has the ball in his hands, shoot the three ball, go-to-scorer, and contain his man at an elite level. The only player that I see fitting that is Quincy Miller. Harrison Barnes, Kidd-Gilchrist and Bradley Beal to an extent can fill those needs. Dunno, but I'm not too big on Jeremy Lamb. Anyways, my big board.

Andre Drummond
Anthony Davis
Quincy Miller
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Harrison Barnes
Perry Jones III
Bradley Beal

[FluLikeSymptoms]

Plushberry- no hate but maybe watch more UCONN if you're posting in here, you're going to get lit up. Lamb's athleticism comes after his guard skills, which are better than those of any current Raptor. He'll play more 3 in college if Boatright keeps it up but he's an NBA SG, without a doubt. If we take Lamb DD is gone and I'm good with that- we may not have a SF but they're far easier to find.

UnD- hope you're right about Quincy but I don't see the #1 option potential or the defensive potential. I need to watch more Baylor games but if they're like yesterday's I'll be looking at Perry.

[Pseudonym]

http://www.thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/

Here's one of ESPN's best bloggers analyzing the field from Saturday's game. I like that he isn't being sucked up in the hype and questions the outlook for most of the big names, even suggests this next draft is being overrated.

That's basically how I felt watching that game. The problem with Davis is that, as far I can tell, he was a crappy PG. Like only one team tried to recruit him or something.

I think that Barnes has a high floor but low ceiling. But NC is using him as a complementary scorer, oddly. When he does try and create, it usually ends up being a tough midrange shot. I actually think that he's kinda like Bargnani in how he uses the triple threat, to a degree.

This draft is looking like a very deep one but not one with the very high end players.

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This draft is looking like a very deep one but not one with the very high end players.

I have no doubt it will get us a nice player, another important brick in the wall, but we'd like that sacrifice to be rewarded with a true franchise player. Davis might be that guy, but it assumes a lot on the offensive end in particular.

[highness]

I think Perry Jones III is looking pretty good. I'd pick him over Barnes.

[Dr Positivity]

http://www.thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/

Here's one of ESPN's best bloggers analyzing the field from Saturday's game. I like that he isn't being sucked up in the hype and questions the outlook for most of the big names, even suggests this next draft is being overrated.

Really liked that write-up and I agree with him that this draft is full of good players, not stars.

Henson is underrated (and will probably be overrated by the end of the year). The only difference between him and Ant Davis is Henson is a year older. BFD. When comparing 3rd and 4th year players to freshman I get worried but starting his sophmore season isn't old for Henson. I actually like Henson's present offensive game more than Davis'. I don't like Henson for us but I'm not sure Davis is on a different level

MKG over Barnes and Miller is starting to intrigue me. I see MKG as 18 year old James Johnson. Which could be intriguing because JJ's problem is he's old enough at this point that we know the offense isn't coming. If MKG can develop offensively on the same path Demar has, he could have one of the highest upsides here with the size, on ball/passing, and defensive tenacity. I'm starting to think we're going to play better than people expect this year and could be as low as 8th or 9th, getting MKG that low could be a really really nice pick

Also, I really like saying "MKG"

[FluLikeSymptoms]

I think Perry Jones III is looking pretty good. I'd pick him over Barnes.

Me, too. Think that, in early Dec., PJ3 and Lamb are the best bets to be #1 scoring options in this draft. Drummond may evolve into a turn/dunk guy but PJ3 looks like the most skilled big. I liked the post work yesterday. The Baylor game is to be replayed at 2pm on big 10.

I think that tier one consists of the rare beasts in Drummond/Davis, tier 2 is Lamb/PJ3, then tier 3 is big but led by Barnes/MKG, mostly weak side players.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Henson is underrated (and will probably be overrated by the end of the year). The only difference between him and Ant Davis is Henson is a year older. BFD. When comparing 3rd and 4th year players to freshman I get worried but starting his sophmore season isn't old for Henson. I actually like Henson's present offensive game more than Davis'. I don't like Henson for us but I'm not sure Davis is on a different level

Henson is over two years older than Davis and in his junior year at UNC.

[JamesNaismith]

Here's why I think people are really sleeping on Quincy Miller:

1. He's STILL recovering from his ACL injury....it's obvious his quickness and lateral movements aren't back to where they were YET. An injury like this usually takes a year to recover from. It hasn't been that amount of time yet but Quincy obviously didn't want NBA teams to become too worried about it.

2. He's played out of position until his last game.


The questions I would then ask myself is how good would Barnes or Gilchrist look playing PF? Or better yet what if they were only at about 70-80% of their quickness??? I think they would look TERRIBLE and highly doubt they would be able to score 17+ppgs (minus Miller's last one). When you put that in perspective it should make it obvious who is the most talented here...the only thing to wonder is if he gets back to his pace which I believe will happen.

[Plushberry]

Plushberry- no hate but maybe watch more UCONN if you're posting in here, you're going to get lit up. Lamb's athleticism comes after his guard skills, which are better than those of any current Raptor. He'll play more 3 in college if Boatright keeps it up but he's an NBA SG, without a doubt. If we take Lamb DD is gone and I'm good with that- we may not have a SF but they're far easier to find.

UnD- hope you're right about Quincy but I don't see the #1 option potential or the defensive potential. I need to watch more Baylor games but if they're like yesterday's I'll be looking at Perry.

Hes a good player but this is a deep draft and imo there are at least 7 players that will go before him. He has tiny little shoulders and has trouble finishing in traffic, what will he do at the nba level.

[Undefeated]

I don't know what kind of PG skills Anthony Davis had prior to his growth spurt, but from all accounts, he seems to have above-average ball-handling skills which means he couldn't had been that bad. But the concerns regarding his inability to generate offense in a half-court setting does not make much sense to me. Watching the games, he BARELY, if at all, gets the ball to go one-on-one against his man or create plays for his teammates. How can it be a concern when he doesn't even get the ball? Terrence Jones, Doron Lamb and Marquis Teague always have the ball in their hands so it pretty much limits the opportunities for Davis and MKG.

PJ3 is more of a face-up PF than SF from what I'm seeing.

[Undefeated]

Hes a good player but this is a deep draft and imo there are at least 7 players that will go before him. He has tiny little shoulders and has trouble finishing in traffic, what will he do at the nba level.

That's wrong, Lamb actually has good finishing in traffic. He's shooting 64% on two-point shots which is crazy.

[niQ]

http://www.thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/

Here's one of ESPN's best bloggers analyzing the field from Saturday's game. I like that he isn't being sucked up in the hype and questions the outlook for most of the big names, even suggests this next draft is being overrated.

That's basically how I felt watching that game. The problem with Davis is that, as far I can tell, he was a crappy PG. Like only one team tried to recruit him or something.

I think that Barnes has a high floor but low ceiling. But NC is using him as a complementary scorer, oddly. When he does try and create, it usually ends up being a tough midrange shot. I actually think that he's kinda like Bargnani in how he uses the triple threat, to a degree.

This draft is looking like a very deep one but not one with the very high end players.

That was an interesting down to earth read. I've felt the same regarding the players of this draft. Everyone has their strengths, but not without their weaknesses. But granted, I would still say 2012 draft class is stronger than 2011.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

I don't know what kind of PG skills Anthony Davis had prior to his growth spurt, but from all accounts, he seems to have above-average ball-handling skills which means he couldn't had been that bad. But the concerns regarding his inability to generate offense in a half-court setting does not make much sense to me. Watching the games, he BARELY, if at all, gets the ball to go one-on-one against his man or create plays for his teammates. How can it be a concern when he doesn't even get the ball? Terrence Jones, Doron Lamb and Marquis Teague always have the ball in their hands so it pretty much limits the opportunities for Davis and MKG.

PJ3 is more of a face-up PF than SF from what I'm seeing.

Davis looks more like a taller AK47 than anybody to me, and I loved me some AK47.

I think PJ3 is a PF as well. Looks more comfortable in the paint already. Watching the game again now and he's headed straight to the block every time down, then into motion.

[Rapsfan07]

Hopefully we can snag another pick...that would be a huge for us.

I think people will sleep on Quincy and he'll fall and be the best SF in this draft down the road though. However, Drummond is still the prize of the draft for me.

[Kabookalu]

I don't know what kind of PG skills Anthony Davis had prior to his growth spurt, but from all accounts, he seems to have above-average ball-handling skills which means he couldn't had been that bad. But the concerns regarding his inability to generate offense in a half-court setting does not make much sense to me. Watching the games, he BARELY, if at all, gets the ball to go one-on-one against his man or create plays for his teammates. How can it be a concern when he doesn't even get the ball? Terrence Jones, Doron Lamb and Marquis Teague always have the ball in their hands so it pretty much limits the opportunities for Davis and MKG.

PJ3 is more of a face-up PF than SF from what I'm seeing.

I was late to watching the game between Kentucky and North Carolina, but from what I saw of the game, Davis was being passive. He looked to pass the ball rather than score; he reminded me of Joakim Noah in that sense making decisions at the top of the key but not showing any interest in trying to score.

[DreamTeam09]

I wanna draft PJ3 and put him at the 3. His game will still translate because he likes to face up anyway. On defence can he get away with it??? He has the length.. Our team would be very long out there. Which could become our style of defence. Real problem is that he doesn't shoot 3s.