CHUCK HAYES

[SacKingZZZ]

Pass, I'd rather gamble and overpay for Chandler than squander on small irrelevant contracts.

Depends on whether or not Petrie sqaunders it on a bunch of depth. Saving that space, letting your young guns improve, and signing a long term supporting piece sounds like a great plan to me if Chandler and the rest are asking for the moon. Look at Orlando now, that's why you don't overpay for players no matter how good a fit they appear to be.

[pillwenney]

Per this article it seems that their is serious mutual interest between the Kings and Chuck Hayes IMO it would be a big mistake getting Hayes he is way undersized as a power forward . The only way I could see him making any sense is to convert him to another position wich I doubt we would do .

Please link to the article and quote no more than 3-4 paragraphs. Thanks.

Just asking as I am unsure are you saying if you post an article that a sportswriter writes that I need to fix their article to no more than 3 paragraphs ?
I didnt do that because that would alter what they wrote and i thought that was forbidden to do so at the site ?
please explain ? I want to be sure I do not make this mistake again

sorry for the error

We need a link to the article, and then for you to just post a few paragraphs from it. So cut out what you will, but it's supposed to just be a "preview" of sorts.

[pillwenney]

Battier brings the leadership that Salmons will never bring. Better defender than Salmons and FAR easier to fit into an offense without that whole ball hog bit John has.

I don't disagree. But that's not the reality we're living in right now. We acquired Salmons to make him our current SF.

Also, as KF10 said, Battier has no reason to want to come here unless we really overpay him.


This is kinda bothering me. I really hope we're just settling for lower level guys because we think we've got no hope at all of getting the bigger names.

That's the issue, look at the "bigger names" and the price tag supposedly involved. GP isn't shortsighted, he knows that the future of this team goes beyond this particular free agency. It's why before the lockout was even over I really started to think the Kings should just stand pat. Now, getting a player like Hayes gives you even more flexibility because you know you have a) a guy that can fit and b) the kind of role player you want to put around your stars.

I feel for the teams actually looking at this FA class to find their "guy". Hayes and Cousins played together this summer and from the video I saw, it can work, that's a lot of beef in the paint too.

Well they're bigger names because they're better players, and thus are going to cost more.

As for their asking prices, I think people make too big a deal of this stuff all the time. They can ask away until the cows come home. The market is going to determine their value, and it's going to be well below what they're looking for. Rashard Lewis is an anomaly.

And the thing is, we can't really stand pat. We still have to spend a ton of money. Re-signing Thornton and signing Hayes will still leave us way under the minimum. Instead re-signing Thornton and Sam will bring us close (although still not quite there unless we overpay them both).

And I'd argue that Hayes absolutely does not have a greater defensive impact than Sam. It's debatable who is a better man defender. Hayes is very good, but not in every matchup. Demarcus had him for lunch last year, for instance. And let's not forget just how good of a man defender Sam was at times last year. So when you consider that, and the fact that Sam also adds a shotblocking presence that Hayes doesn't add, to me it's a pretty clear solution.

Of course, a lot of this depends on Hassan's progress. If he's ready to start seeing some minutes, taking Hayes instead wouldn't be the worst thing. But even then, there's the issue that we'll still need to spend a good chunk of change.

[dozencousins]

Per this article it seems that their is serious mutual interest between the Kings and Chuck Hayes IMO it would be a big mistake getting Hayes he is way undersized as a power forward . The only way I could see him making any sense is to convert him to another position wich I doubt we would do .

Please link to the article and quote no more than 3-4 paragraphs. Thanks.

Just asking as I am unsure are you saying if you post an article that a sportswriter writes that I need to fix their article to no more than 3 paragraphs ?
I didnt do that because that would alter what they wrote and i thought that was forbidden to do so at the site ?
please explain ? I want to be sure I do not make this mistake again

sorry for the error

We need a link to the article, and then for you to just post a few paragraphs from it. So cut out what you will, but it's supposed to just be a "preview" of sorts.

Okay thanks I think I understand . I will try and do that . I just thought when you post what a writer says , link etc. you had to post the whole thing . My bad I will try and not let that happen again.

thanks again

[SacTown Kings]

I'd much rather have Gasol, Nene, or Chandler but would be very happy with just getting Sammy back. Yet we are interested in Hayes? Really? Not excited about this at all. He might be a good post defender and all but problem is people just shoot right over him. Just like they did with K9 and Corliss.

[SacKingZZZ]

I'd much rather have Gasol, Nene, or Chandler but would be very happy with just getting Sammy back. Yet we are interested in Hayes? Really? Not excited about this at all. He might be a good post defender and all but problem is people just shoot right over him. Just like they did with K9 and Corliss.

And he kind of had problems with C's in that department. However, I was far more impressed with the defense he played against PF's.

Hayes is not Kenny Thomas nor if he Corliss. Hayes has the strength of Corliss and the rebounding of Kenny Thomas, but he has more defensive tools than both ever did. No where near the offensive talent of either of those two, but he's a defensive role player, they were not.

[sackings916]

I'd take Hayes at $4M than Daly at $10M+. Which is what its gonna likely take to keep Daly. Hayes is an underrated passer and exactly the kind of player the team needs on both ends with it being full of scorers.

[deNIEd]

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[deNIEd]

Yet we are interested in Hayes? Really? Not excited about this at all. He might be a good post defender and all but problem is people just shoot right over him. Just like they did with K9 and Corliss.

Hayes is a GREAT post defender. He's one of the best post defenders in the league. He is incredibly smart and talented at getting position, using his low base, forcing opponents into their opposite hand, etc.

Hayes would be an AMAZING addition to our team. Yes, great shooting PF/C's would be able to shoot over him. However, Hayes shouldn't be utilized in that manner. We have Cousins, Thompson, Whiteside, Hickson who are all tall/long and would be able to defend jump shooting big's better. Hayes should be utilized as strictly a post defender and against the quicker/faster bigs (Amare, Griffin, etc).

It all depends on price. If we could sign Hayes for $4-$5 million, it'd be an absolute steal. Our frontcourt defense would improve significantly and we would have a lot of versatility on defensive game plans.

[edit] Hayes could also be utilized in situational moments against SF's such as Pierce, Lebron

[pillwenney]

This may not be putting this into a fair enough context, but I just looked through the stats of every major big against Houston last year, and the numbers weren't exactly startling. It was pretty much a mixed bag.

Even at the price and the risk that he was playing for a contract last year, I'll take Sam pretty easily.

[Call Me Geoff]

I love the idea of adding Chuck Hayes. He's coming off his best season, is just entering his prime and brings the work ethic and leadership our young guys need to be influenced by. He fills a perfect role for the Kings and that is just as valuable as adding a starter IMO. I'd love to see us keep Dally as well. Maybe dump JT for another PG (Teague?). I don't see JT in the long term plans for this team, it will be interesting to see if Petrie looks to deal him.

[SacKingZZZ]

Just saw this one on hoopshype:

Dalembert told FOX Sports Florida last week three teams he’s targeting are the Heat, New York and Houston. It sounds as if the Rockets, with a gaping hole at center due to the retirement of Yao Ming and plenty of money to spend in free agency, are his preference at this point. “Houston, that one is the best," said Dalembert. He later added, “I’m interested in the Rockets. They have a good team over there, a running team."

http://www.foxsportsflorida.com/12/05/11/Free-agents-Salary-cap-hurts-Heats-appea/landing_heat.html?blockID=619990&feedID=3722

My feeling since TraderJoe mentioned Daly to Houston is that is where he'll end up because they need a C and have more than the MLE if they let Hayes go. Hmmm...can you do double sign and trades?

[Nicky Nix Nook]

Just saw this one on hoopshype:

Dalembert told FOX Sports Florida last week three teams he’s targeting are the Heat, New York and Houston. It sounds as if the Rockets, with a gaping hole at center due to the retirement of Yao Ming and plenty of money to spend in free agency, are his preference at this point. “Houston, that one is the best," said Dalembert. He later added, “I’m interested in the Rockets. They have a good team over there, a running team."

http://www.foxsportsflorida.com/12/05/11/Free-agents-Salary-cap-hurts-Heats-appea/landing_heat.html?blockID=619990&feedID=3722

My feeling since TraderJoe mentioned Daly to Houston is that is where he'll end up because they need a C and have more than the MLE if they let Hayes go. Hmmm...can you do double sign and trades?

Fine! I never liked him anyway! *runs away crying*

[Call Me Geoff]

The thought of getting into a bidding war with Houston scares me. I'd rather pony up the cash for Nene than sign Dally to big time money. The more I think about it Houston may be doing us a favor.

[SacKingZZZ]

The thought of getting into a bidding war with Houston scares me. I'd rather pony up the cash for Nene than sign Dally to big time money. The more I think about it Houston may be doing us a favor.

Like I've been saying for months now, I really don't think Petrie wants to re-sign Dalembert. Depending on what the free agency chances are now that numbers are out there it could change, but it just seems like a very un "Petrie" like move for him to re-sign Dalembert unless it's a steal of a deal. I also think Dalembert has gotten the idea and if he didn't after the kind of love affair in the papers the Maloofs were having about re-signing Thornton where Daly's name kind of got tagged in there at the end I don't know what it would take.

Also I would like to add that I agree Dalembert is good for this team but it comes at what price?

[Call Me Geoff]

It wouldn't surprise me one bit to see Petrie go hard at Chandler or Nene. We always seem to be the darkhorse that nobody mentions. The last time we had this much cap space we ended up with a big man named Vlade Divac. Just sayin...

[mnWI]

Chuck Hayes to Sac is a done deal.

[ADoaN17]

Chuck Hayes to Sac is a done deal.

from where?

[mnWI]

Chuck Hayes to Sac is a done deal.

from where?

If you want media confirmation you'll have to wait. But it's done.

[OGSactownballer]

Should be pretty cheap at least. And the nice part here is that he can pester the shift out of PF's I stead of trying to guard centers.

I go with the guys out there that say go ahead and throw max at Gasol (who is actually worth a four year max) and dare Heisley to actually pay him.