Most Appealing FA Haul

[AntwanBoldin]

I'm not paying $50m for a guy just a few years ago I wanted in the draft and would've cost nothing.

[vincecarter4pres]

Well you would be paying the same even if you drafted him if you planned on keeping him...

[AntwanBoldin]

Yea except I wouldn't re-sign him for close to that. I would've stolen a few dirt cheap years out of him.


I'm notoriously bullish on cutting the cord. Joe Johnson, Gilbert arenas(it was debatable 5 years ago hard as it is to remember), Vince Carter etc.

If you make a mistake that way you can't take it back. If you let a guy go you still have the cap room.



Who was the last team to really regret letting a guy walk? Nash/Mavs?

[jeff1624]

Chandler isn't worth 14 mil a season. That's best to second best player on your team type money, and I'm sorry, but if Chandler is your second best player your team sucks ass.

I'm inclined to agree with you on the money, EVERYONE is going to get overpaid this offseason. But Chandler WAS the 2nd-best player on a team that just won the title.

No he wasn't. I'd say Terry, Marion and Kidd were just as important as Chandler. And I'd even argue that at times were more instrumental to their success.

[ecuhus1981]

No he wasn't. I'd say Terry, Marion and Kidd were just as important as Chandler. And I'd even argue that at times were more instrumental to their success.

Ask any Mavs fan, and they would laugh at this statement. C'mon, man! Tyson Chandler was THE reason for the Mavericks' big defensive turnaround. It was a collective effort behind Dirk, no question, and all of the role players you mentioned stepped up admirably (not to mention Stevenson, JJB, Stojakovic etc). But TC was arguably as important to Dallas defensively as Dirk was offensively, and that's saying alot.

[jeff1624]

No he wasn't. I'd say Terry, Marion and Kidd were just as important as Chandler. And I'd even argue that at times were more instrumental to their success.

Ask any Mavs fan, and they would laugh at this statement. C'mon, man! Tyson Chandler was THE reason for the Mavericks' big defensive turnaround. It was a collective effort behind Dirk, no question, and all of the role players you mentioned stepped up admirably (not to mention Stevenson, JJB, Stojakovic etc). But TC was arguably as important to Dallas defensively as Dirk was offensively, and that's saying alot.

You're underrating Kidd and Marion's defense on the wings. Chandler was great defensively no doubt about it but he wasn't the ONLY guy as you're claiming he was. I don't need Mavs fans telling me anything either. I watched every Mavs playoff game, I saw the same games they did.

[stephGRAHAMbury]

Eh Chandler is pretty much the reason the Mavericks were able to switch everything, Marion and Kidd player their parts defensively but Chandler was the defensive anchor on that team few bigs can rotate out the way he can and then rotate back.

As I said before I'm a bit concerned with how he will age and hold up over the next few years but you have to give credit where credit is due.

[jeff1624]

Eh Chandler is pretty much the reason the Mavericks were able to switch everything, Marion and Kidd player their parts defensively but Chandler was the defensive anchor on that team few bigs can rotate out the way he can and then rotate back.

As I said before I'm a bit concerned with how he will age and hold up over the next few years but you have to give credit where credit is due.

I give him credit but I'm not gonna undervalue what kidd and Marion did just to prop up Chandler either. Without Chandler they don't win. Without Marion they don't win. Without Kidd they don't win. That's my point. You can make a case for Chandler being the second best player on that team but it isn't unanimously either.

I would argue that he was just as important as Marion, Kidd and Terry were.

[DarkXaero]

Marion and Kidd were terrific defensively. I'm sick of Tyson getting the most credit for Mavs' finals success.

[ecuhus1981]

Marion and Kidd were terrific defensively. I'm sick of Tyson getting the most credit for Mavs' finals success.

Well, anyone that gives Tyson "the most" credit for Dallas winning it all, as in more than Dirk, is stone-cold crazy glue. I haven't heard anyone say that, and no one should misinterpret my statements in that way. But I don't know why it's so hard for you guys to admit that Tyson provides one of the rarest attributes in basketball: rim protection. He does so at an elite level, and advanced stats bear out that assertion.

Kidd, Terry and Marion played their roles effectively, but the "without ____, they don't win" argument is hollow. You could say that Ian Mahinmi, for the critical minutes he played in Game 3, for goodness sakes! That doesn't prove much. You could probably plug in at least 20 other perimeter players in the league into the situation that Ason, JET and Matrix had, and have a similar shot at winning. But there are at most 3 other guys in the league right now that protect the paint as well as Chandler, and deterring both Wade and LeBron from dribble penetration for an entire series is no small feat.

The bottom line is guys like Tyson are rare gems, and his presence and contribution had a bigger impact on winning than anyone else other than Dirk.

[jeff1624]

Marion and Kidd were terrific defensively. I'm sick of Tyson getting the most credit for Mavs' finals success.

Well, anyone that gives Tyson "the most" credit for Dallas winning it all, as in more than Dirk, is stone-cold crazy glue. I haven't heard anyone say that, and no one should misinterpret my statements in that way. But I don't know why it's so hard for you guys to admit that Tyson provides one of the rarest attributes in basketball: rim protection. He does so at an elite level, and advanced stats bear out that assertion.

Kidd, Terry and Marion played their roles effectively, but the "without ____, they don't win" argument is hollow. You could say that Ian Mahinmi, for the critical minutes he played in Game 3, for goodness sakes! That doesn't prove much. You could probably plug in at least 20 other perimeter players in the league into the situation that Ason, JET and Matrix had, and have a similar shot at winning. But there are at most 3 other guys in the league right now that protect the paint as well as Chandler, and deterring both Wade and LeBron from dribble penetration for an entire series is no small feat.

The bottom line is guys like Tyson are rare gems, and his presence and contribution had a bigger impact on winning than anyone else other than Dirk.

Why did the Bulls trade him just to be able to sign a washed up Ben Wallace. Why didn't elevate the Hornets? Why did the Bobcats suck when he was their starting center?

I have a question, did you think Chandler was a top 3 defensive center before joining the Mavs?

[ecuhus1981]

Why did the Bulls trade him just to be able to sign a washed up Ben Wallace. Why didn't elevate the Hornets? Why did the Bobcats suck when he was their starting center?

I have a question, did you think Chandler was a top 3 defensive center before joining the Mavs?

You're redirecting the discussion to bolster your argument. Whether or not Tyson was an elite defender his entire career is not germane to the topic, and I think that is where your bias is drawing you off-base. I was speaking solely of the Mavs' championship run, and the special role TC carries on it.

Now, can I corral any of this thread back into a discussion over the merits of signing Nene or Jordan?

[vincecarter4pres]

How is none of that relevant?

So in a huge contract year he goes from a really good defender to an All NBA defender, he is also in a great defensive system with a number of other plus defenders, all which fit him to a T and we should just throw that out the window and say, just look at last year without any context, merely by reputation, again only of last year?

Might as well just re-up Hump as the starter, cause if that's the case he's an almost guaranteed 12 and 12...

[DarkXaero]

So Woj is reporting that Nets have made a $7 million offer for Caron Butler, thoughts?


Not liking it unless its a 2 year deal.