Free Agency

[Breakdown777]

What does board think of S&T for Afflalo (4-yr, $28 mm) centered around something like Wes, Pek, and Ellington?

Wolves consolidate roster and cap into a low-usage starter, two-way player at position of need that can hit the 3 and Denver fills out roster for lower overall salary commitment plus potential upside of Wes if they don't want to match for Afflalo.

Maybe some picks exchanged to round it out? Kahn and a lot of people want to see what the Wolves have, but now is the time to consolidate assets (and one, or Denver, could argue Pek + Elligton are liabilities) if they have a willing counterparty, IMO.

Dude, really? Wes was the 4th pick in the draft last year.

[younggunsmn]

JerryZgoda Jerry Zgoda
Yahoo!Sports reports that Wolves are 1 of 7 teams set to speak w/ UFA Jamal Crawford on Mon, are 1 of 5 teams that may make DeAndre J offer

I don't want anything to do with crawford. let some other team overpay.

[Wolves21]

Crawford eh? I'd be happy with that. We don't really have anyone that can create off the dribble, so it makes some sense. Think he'll get greater money elsewhere ($8 mil) or sign with a contender though.

Hearing Afflalo and Crawford makes me think Kahn has decided Wes probably isn't the long term answer at SG.

Haven't heard many rumblings about centers. Interest in Jordan (will be overpayed) and Chuck Hayes. Makes me wonder if we're willing to roll with Darko for another year without the offense running through him or we believe AR can do something big and will break out.

Seems like we are focused on getting that SG. Either (like you said) Kahn doesn't feel Wes is the long term answer or maybe he's ready to include Wes in a trade to bring us center in return?

I don't think that means that Wes would be out the door.If they got Crawford that would actually mean atleast to me that they think he's a legit starter in the league sense Crawford is a 6th man.Now if they get Afflalo that's a little different story,to me it would probably mean they want Wes to come off the bench as a 6th or 7th man.

bty I would be stock as hell to land anyone of Afflalo,Jordan,Hayes and even Crawford.I am glad their looking at upgrading at SG spot.If they cant get a decent center I would like the Wolves to give Randolph a shot at being the starter.

[Hoopin Harm]

What does board think of S&T for Afflalo (4-yr, $28 mm) centered around something like Wes, Pek, and Ellington?

Wolves consolidate roster and cap into a low-usage starter, two-way player at position of need that can hit the 3 and Denver fills out roster for lower overall salary commitment plus potential upside of Wes if they don't want to match for Afflalo.

Maybe some picks exchanged to round it out? Kahn and a lot of people want to see what the Wolves have, but now is the time to consolidate assets (and one, or Denver, could argue Pek + Elligton are liabilities) if they have a willing counterparty, IMO.

Dude, really? Wes was the 4th pick in the draft last year.

But he's not that good. Darko was the #2 pick...

[younggunsmn]

I'm willing to give Wes a mulligan for last year due to the way Rambis jerked him around and didn't run any plays for him. With a real coach like Adelman Wes will hopefully have a chance to thrive.

And that won't be near enough money for Afflalo, regardless of what he's actually worth, with so many teams after him. I still wouldn't trade Wes for him in a S/T. I'd make them match an offer sheet or offer our memphis pick. they have a good deal less leverage in a s/t than if he was still under contract.

[Hoopin Harm]

What does board think of S&T for Afflalo (4-yr, $28 mm) centered around something like Wes, Pek, and Ellington?

Wolves consolidate roster and cap into a low-usage starter, two-way player at position of need that can hit the 3 and Denver fills out roster for lower overall salary commitment plus potential upside of Wes if they don't want to match for Afflalo.

Maybe some picks exchanged to round it out? Kahn and a lot of people want to see what the Wolves have, but now is the time to consolidate assets (and one, or Denver, could argue Pek + Elligton are liabilities) if they have a willing counterparty, IMO.

Dude, really? Wes was the 4th pick in the draft last year.

But he's not that good. Darko was the #2 pick...

And Jonny Flynn the 6th pick

Would you prefer Wes over Arron for the next 4 years?

[Hoopin Harm]

I'm willing to give Wes a mulligan for last year due to the way Rambis jerked him around and didn't run any plays for him. With a real coach like Adelman Wes will hopefully have a chance to thrive.

And that won't be near enough money for Afflalo, regardless of what he's actually worth, with so many teams after him. I still wouldn't trade Wes for him in a S/T. I'd make them match an offer sheet or offer our memphis pick. they have a good deal less leverage in a s/t than if he was still under contract.

I threw the #'s out there to start discussion -- what do you think top bidder gets it done? 4-yr, $36 mm?

[shrink]

I just wanted to pass along that one of the best posters on the CBA board has seen nothing that suggests the amnesty clause is not tradable. Reports that you can't amnesty a player you receive in trade are unsupported so far.

[Narf]

I'm willing to give Wes a mulligan for last year due to the way Rambis jerked him around and didn't run any plays for him. With a real coach like Adelman Wes will hopefully have a chance to thrive.

And that won't be near enough money for Afflalo, regardless of what he's actually worth, with so many teams after him. I still wouldn't trade Wes for him in a S/T. I'd make them match an offer sheet or offer our memphis pick. they have a good deal less leverage in a s/t than if he was still under contract.

I threw the #'s out there to start discussion -- what do you think top bidder gets it done? 4-yr, $36 mm?

I don't want Afflalo at that price. Anything more than $7 mil and he has a negative value.
As for the trade, no way. Denver simply doesn't have any leverage.

[Esohny]

I'm willing to give Wes a mulligan for last year due to the way Rambis jerked him around and didn't run any plays for him. With a real coach like Adelman Wes will hopefully have a chance to thrive.

And that won't be near enough money for Afflalo, regardless of what he's actually worth, with so many teams after him. I still wouldn't trade Wes for him in a S/T. I'd make them match an offer sheet or offer our memphis pick. they have a good deal less leverage in a s/t than if he was still under contract.

I threw the #'s out there to start discussion -- what do you think top bidder gets it done? 4-yr, $36 mm?

I don't want Afflalo at that price. Anything more than $7 mil and he has a negative value.
As for the trade, no way. Denver simply doesn't have any leverage.

Beside the fact that they can just match an offer sheet and keep Afflalo?

[Dewey]

Good sign we are going after a SG ... we "need" a legit SG and I believe the team clearly wants to add a veteran at this position - starter or not.

Wes could easily be traded or moved to SF ... the latter would signal a second deal with either Beasley or Williams. Hard to know how much push Aelman might have for Crawford to join this Wolves roster. I'm not sure what the real market is for these 3, but at some point we have to know what we need back that will help us win - This is Adelmans most critical role if we indeed go this route prior to the start of the season.

Stealing Jordan from LAC would be a nice fit for this squad, but I don't see this happening at all.

[moss_is_1]

Assuming we dump some salary somehow and have $11.5 mil in cap space AND DeAndre Jordan is our target, I would suggest something like this:
$11.5
$10.5
$9.5
$8.5
$32 mil signing bonus.

Teams are limited to 20% of total value of contract in a signing bonus. For a 4/40 deal that is 8 million $. And I don't think a guy with at least 5 suitors is going to take a decreasing contract on the open market.

There haven't been this many teams with caproom (due to the amnesty) in many years, and offers are going to get crazy.

I wonder....could we somehow jack the money in his deal in the 2nd year? Next offseason LAC is going to want to go hard after Dwight/Cp3/Deron...if we were to have the 2nd year be more then the others maybe they'd be hesitant to match? I know under the old CBA you couldn't really do much, but maybe it's possible under this one?

[moss_is_1]

Did anyone post this?
saw it over on rubechat...espn insider.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story?id ... ree-agency

Possible moves: The Wolves have mild interest in Shane Battier, who even at 33 would be an upgrade defensively. President of basketball operations David Kahn says not to expect much activity from them. However, a source with close to the team said it will deal Michael Beasley, who was arrested for marijuana possession this summer. Despite his character questions, he's talented enough to bring a steady veteran in a trade. The expected development of Williams makes Beasley even more expendable.

Interesting...

[Yes We Kahn]

^ Really depends on what "steady veteran" it means. I am very not really prepared to give up on Beas yet. Especially with what I have heard about his off-season. Who is to say DWill will even be able to hold down the 3? I think he is even more of a 4 than Beas. I'd rather keep them both at least until the trade deadline unless something really enticing is offered prior to the season.

[wildvikeswolves]

^ Really depends on what "steady veteran" it means. I am very not really prepared to give up on Beas yet. Especially with what I have heard about his off-season. Who is to say DWill will even be able to hold down the 3? I think he is even more of a 4 than Beas. I'd rather keep them both at least until the trade deadline unless something really enticing is offered prior to the season.

same. Im looking forward to seeing how Beasley plays this year after losing the weight that he did, and is now healthy

[shrink]

Waiting until the deadline would be what I'd recommend too.

Before his injuries, Beasley was putting up numbers better than Danny Granger. I expect that he will keep his nose clean under Adelman, and his value will rise. I think we could get something better than a "steady veteran" at the trade deadline, when the hectic schedule starts creating injuries in teams that want to win now.

[Dewey]

Beas is a chump until he proves otherwise ... then if/when he does, we will trade him.

[younggunsmn]

Yeah, I think since the arrest the writing's been on the wall that beasley is the odd man out due to the roster clutter. Adelman stresses ball movement, not exactly beasley's strong suit.

That said I don't know what we can get for him. The bobcats have had interest in him in the past. Don't know if they'd be willing to offer Biyombo for him. They will have the cap space to take him straight up for a draft pick though.

His trade value is low now, I don't know that it will rise by the trade deadline because he also gets closer to the end of his rookie deal. If he plays well enough to significantly bump up his trade value we will probably want to keep him anyway.

[Hoopin Harm]

I'm willing to give Wes a mulligan for last year due to the way Rambis jerked him around and didn't run any plays for him. With a real coach like Adelman Wes will hopefully have a chance to thrive.

And that won't be near enough money for Afflalo, regardless of what he's actually worth, with so many teams after him. I still wouldn't trade Wes for him in a S/T. I'd make them match an offer sheet or offer our memphis pick. they have a good deal less leverage in a s/t than if he was still under contract.

I threw the #'s out there to start discussion -- what do you think top bidder gets it done? 4-yr, $36 mm?

I don't want Afflalo at that price. Anything more than $7 mil and he has a negative value.
As for the trade, no way. Denver simply doesn't have any leverage.

Don't disagree -- $7 mm / per year seems about right.

[shangrila]

Yeah, I think since the arrest the writing's been on the wall that beasley is the odd man out due to the roster clutter. Adelman stresses ball movement, not exactly beasley's strong suit.

A few things;

1. The arrest came after the draft. If he's the odd man out due to roster clutter, shouldn't that have always been the case?

2. Beas isn't the only one whose strong suit isn't ball movement. Williams, Johnson, Randolph, Webster, Darko, Pekovic, etc, etc, all struggle with that. So that's both the reason they've hired Adelman and not something you can call him out for as an individual, because honestly he's about as prepared for this system as everyone else not named Love and maybe Ridnour.