Free Agency

[Narf]

I like Beas as a 6th man personally. But I do think he's the odd man out. We aren't going to want to resign him next year for what he'll command via free agency. If we can get a valuable piece that fits our team better, I say do it.

[shangrila]

I'll wait and see what Nick Young gets before I start thinking Beas will get a big pay day. Hopefully he's better than Young but, if he stays roughly the same this season, I think Young will be the bench mark for a young, inefficient scorer.

[wolves_fan_82au]

i would rather see if we can get a beasley/filler for Prince/1st going either that or take hamilton

[shrink]

The Clippers offered 5 years, $40 mil for Deandre Jordan, and that doesn't seem to excessive to me for a big. With a standard 7.5% raise, it looks like this: $6.9, $7.4, $8.0, $8.6, $9.2.

$8 mil/yr for five years

Anyone willing to offer $9 mil/yr for four years?

[phonzadellika]

I think for the Wolves 9mil is reasonable...we'll probably have to overpay for a center anyway and Jordan could be a good fit next to Love. Probably the only feasible move we could make this off-season that would make sense. Other than I just want to see how the team rolls until the trade deadline.

[Esohny]

The Clippers offered 5 years, $40 mil for Deandre Jordan, and that doesn't seem to excessive to me for a big. With a standard 7.5% raise, it looks like this: $6.9, $7.4, $8.0, $8.6, $9.2.

$8 mil/yr for five years

Anyone willing to offer $9 mil/yr for four years?

I would, but I don't think that the Wolves will.

[Peezo]

Better question is would he even accept 4 years at 9 mil? I mean he becomes a FA faster but he is also leaving money on the table to play with a worse team. I'd like to think the allure of more money right away might be enough, but maybe he'll say, "I'd take only and extra 4 mil to play 5 years in sunny LA over 4 years in snowy Minnesota."

I'd like to think I'd pony up the money... I'm just not sure. That would be a real swing that I just don't think this organization is ready to make. If we whiff and he doesn't progress any further, we'd have our first bad contract. I am a believer that the kid is good and getting better though. So ultimately, I'd offer 36 mil for 4 years (9 per) and just hope he'd see Love as akin to Blake.

Then Ricky could turn him into the kind of dunking machine that Tyson Chandler when he played with Chris Paul.

[Krapinsky]

The Clippers offered 5 years, $40 mil for Deandre Jordan, and that doesn't seem to excessive to me for a big. With a standard 7.5% raise, it looks like this: $6.9, $7.4, $8.0, $8.6, $9.2.

$8 mil/yr for five years

Anyone willing to offer $9 mil/yr for four years?

I'd be willing, but I'm pretty sure LAC's initial offer is a pretty good indication that they would match it. We'd probably have to go 41-42/4 just to make them blink. Something like 11/10.5/10/9.5. I'm not sure I want to do that.

[Wolves21]

I would love to have Jordan on this team but I highly doubt that the Clippers are going to let him get away,just like the same case will be for Gasol and Afflalo.

I just want my Wolves to pick up somebody that can help out at the Center spot(Chuck Hayes) and someone at SG as a backup.

I don't know if anyone has posted this yet but sense Rick is our coach now why not try and pick up one of his old veteran players that has a ton of expericnce in the playoffs and who actually has a ring in Peja Stojakovic.We could get him probably on the cheap and he would be a good back up to Johnson whom can still get you 10-12 PPG a night.

[Klomp]

JerryZgoda Jerry Zgoda
Wolves inquired about UFA Von Wafer, but his agent says other teams have shown more interest. Wolves waiting for other FA dominos to fall

JerryZgoda Jerry Zgoda
Von Wafer's agent says his client is interested in Wolves because of his success w/ Adelman in Hous & that relationship & "comfort level"

[moss_is_1]

I have zero interest in Wafer. He's basically a SG version of Beasley, except even worse overall.

Afflalo/Jordan or bust. Both would be fantastic, 1 would make me pretty happy.

[eyeteeth]

Did anyone post this?
saw it over on rubechat...espn insider.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story?id ... ree-agency

Possible moves: The Wolves have mild interest in Shane Battier, who even at 33 would be an upgrade defensively. President of basketball operations David Kahn says not to expect much activity from them. However, a source with close to the team said it will deal Michael Beasley, who was arrested for marijuana possession this summer. Despite his character questions, he's talented enough to bring a steady veteran in a trade. The expected development of Williams makes Beasley even more expendable.

Interesting...

I would take this with a grain of salt. There has always been a person or people "close to the team" or with "close ties to the team" who has been willing to badmouth Beasley. Furthermore, there have always been people in national media outlets who are willing to take stories of people badmouthing Beas and run with them. For now, it's all just noise, and not that much noise at that.

Kahn said quite clearly "no major moves before the season starts." Unless a crazy good deal presents itself, I am willing to take that at face value.

[shrink]

The Clippers offered 5 years, $40 mil for Deandre Jordan, and that doesn't seem to excessive to me for a big. With a standard 7.5% raise, it looks like this: $6.9, $7.4, $8.0, $8.6, $9.2.

$8 mil/yr for five years

Anyone willing to offer $9 mil/yr for four years?

I'd be willing, but I'm pretty sure LAC's initial offer is a pretty good indication that they would match it. We'd probably have to go 41-42/4 just to make them blink. Something like 11/10.5/10/9.5. I'm not sure I want to do that.

That looks like a solid offer (especially making it descend), and, like you, I wouldn't be sad if we didn't win, since I think at that price, it's quite likely Jordan is overpaid.

But let's finally USE the fact that LAC has our pick. Send an offer to Jordan's agent of $12 / $11/ $11 / $10. I bet LAC matches, so that they don't improve our team, and thereby reducing the value of our pick. It helps us to get another rising west coast rival to use up it's cap space as fast as possible on overpaid contracts.

[Saltine]

Amnesty clarifications;
http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/12 ... more-13680

• Teams will not be able to use the amnesty provision on a player acquired in a trade going forward. The CBA summary says teams can apply amnesty to a pre-existing contract. It does not say whether teams must already have that contract on their books, or whether that contract must simply exist. There had been hope, for instance, that the Nets could acquire Hedo Turkoglu’s contract in a theoretical Dwight Howard trade and then use the amnesty provision on Turkoglu instead of the less-expensive Travis Outlaw. Turkoglu’s contract is “in place,” in some sense, after all.

But alas: The sides have agreed that teams can use the amnesty provision only on players they have now. That is a bit of a disadvantage for teams such as the Thunder and Grizzlies that have no viable amnesty candidate, though it does provide a form of long-term insurance should any of their players become unproductive down the road.

• The salary of any player waived via the amnesty clause will continue to count toward the salary floor. This could be of major interest to a team such as the Wizards, who would fall so far under the salary floor (about $49 million per team) by using amnesty on Rashard Lewis as to make the provision almost unworkable for them this season. But if Lewis’ $20.6 million salary continues to count toward that floor — and not against the cap — even after amnesty, the provision is more useful in the short term. Regardless, the Wizards indicated last week that they will not use the amnesty clause on Lewis this season. That makes some sense, considering this center-heavy free-agent class doesn’t have much to offer a team trying to develop its own big man (JaVale McGee).

• Teams will not be able to use the new “stretch” provision on players they acquire via the amnesty process. The stretch provision will allow teams to waive a player and stretch the annual cap hit well into the future. For instance: If you release a player with two years and $20 million left on his deal, you could stretch the cap hit over five seasons — twice the number of years left on his contract, plus one. The goal is to soften the short-term impact on cap flexibility so that teams will be more willing to waive players they don’t want.

The catch: Teams can use the provision only on “new” contracts, or deals that don’t yet exist. But what of amnesty-related contracts? If a team bids on Outlaw and “wins” him, is that a new contract the team can “stretch” later should Outlaw continue to struggle? Or is it an “old” one, and thus not eligible to be stretched because it is linked to a pre-existing deal?

The answer is: The team will not be able to use the “stretch” provision on such a player.

• Finally: If a team bids on a player in the amnesty waiver process, it is bidding on the full length of his contract, not just the first season. In the event the Blazers change course and use amnesty on Roy, that would mean any team that bids, say, $4 million on the guard will be bidding to pay him at least that amount in each of the four remaining seasons on his deal.

This is where we stand at the moment, according to a source close to the process. Things could change in theory, but with players scheduled to begin voting on the CBA on Wednesday afternoon, that seems unlikely.

[Narf]

What is the maximum that we can reduce another team's RFA salary over 4 years?
5%?

So if we signed DeAndre Jordon to a 4 year, $40 mil contract with a $7 million signing bonus....how much would we be able to drop it per year at most?

[shrink]

What is the maximum that we can reduce another team's RFA salary over 4 years?
5%?

So if we signed DeAndre Jordon to a 4 year, $40 mil contract with a $7 million signing bonus....how much would we be able to drop it per year at most?

Are you asking technically? The old CBA put the same limit on salary increases as they did on salary increases. Under the new CBA, that would be 7.5% for players you have the Bird Rights to, and 4.5% on others. Note, this doesn't apply for teams under the cap, specifically for extensions.

[Narf]

I am asking technically

Note, this doesn't apply for teams under the cap, specifically for extensions.

So since we are under the cap, could we actually front load it more?
I know there were some rules about what you could and could not do when signing another team's RFA. They made it harder for you to put a "poison pill" in there. But if it's possible to greatly front load Deandre Jordan's contract, it would help us out a great deal.

Just for the sake of this example, say we trade Webster and Darko to Sacramento for raw cap space and trade Pekovic, Miller, Randolph, Beasley, and our 2 draft picks for Bogut. We now have a ton of cap space. Could we then go $13 mil, $11 mil, $9 mil, $7 mil with a $7 million signing bonus on Jordan?

And I'm sure about the signing bonus. It is 17.5% on a RFA, which is $7 mil on a $40 mil contract.

[Guy986]

Meanwhile, forward/center Chuck Hayes, the Rockets top free agent, is contacted by head coaches from the Minnesota Timberwolves and the Sacramento Kings.
"He had a conversation with Rick Adelman from the Timberwolves and then he had a conversation with Paul Westphal from the Kings," said Calvin Andrews, Hayes' agent, in an interview with FOX 26 Sports. "Those are the only conversations that I'm aware of that happened between him and the teams."
Andrews said the fact that those two coaches reached out to his client is important.
"I think it's indicative of their level of interest, and in some cases it's part of the process and some cases it's not," Andrews said. "I don't think every team has a coach reach out to a player, but it definitely shows a level of interest."'

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/sports/ ... z1fpFpCQn8


There are posters on the Kings board that said Hayes to Kings is already a done deal. The Wolves probably aren't prepared to make a full MLE offer. Wolves fans that want to continue to see development of Randolph, Pekovic, Darko should be relieved.

[Beas]

DarrenWolfson Darren Wolfson
A Chuck Hayes #Twolves free agency update per his agent: Rick Adelman has personally called him.

[Swish4]

I like the Wolves chances of getting Hayes better than the Kings due to Adelman. I think it's between the Wolves and Rockets for his services. If we can bring him in for under 4 mill a season for 3 years it would be a fair deal. Then Amnesty Darko or Pek. Would love to see Hayes here. No thanks on 40 mill to D Jordan.