2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II

[NH]

Simple deal - Bargnani for Ariza, Anderson

We get our starting SF and backup shooting guard + a backup center already familiar w/ Toronto. If they lose West, Andrea makes sense to replace his scoring.

Wow you are really underselling Bargnani. You want to get rid of him THAT bad? At least a draft pick or something else.

[NH]

http://www.tsn.ca/nba/story/?id=382023#YourCallTop

Good article again by Chisholm. I agree with his assessment of the Amir Johnson situation.

[djsunyc]

Simple deal - Bargnani for Ariza, Anderson

We get our starting SF and backup shooting guard + a backup center already familiar w/ Toronto. If they lose West, Andrea makes sense to replace his scoring.

Wow you are really underselling Bargnani. You want to get rid of him THAT bad? At least a draft pick or something else.

trade the new canadian citizen for a SF that wants nothing to do with the country. awesomesauce...

[Rapsfan07]

http://www.tsn.ca/nba/story/?id=382023#YourCallTop

Good article again by Chisholm. I agree with his assessment of the Amir Johnson situation.

Meh. That's about the only thing I kinda agree with. I like Amir though but I would listen to offers from other interested teams..who knows what could happen? But the idea of Bargnani being part of the reason is BS and I"d faster move Bargs than Amir. I though Amir was a pretty good defender last year as well. Especially since he was defending Bargnani's man a lot of the time.

I fully agree with the Barbosa situation though. I like Barbosa and think that he'd be much better on a contender like Boston or Chicago. I'd look to move him for a package of unguaranteed contracts from CHI + 2012 1st rd pick and call it a day.

Maybe offer the TPE plus that pick and see what it nets, sign a vet C and make a deal and move forward with that team.

[Mr Swagtastic]

I really like Amir Johnson over Ed Davis. I could be one of the only few who does so I would look to move Ed Davis first before Amir since Ed would have more league value to acquire a 2nd 2012 first round pick.

If we were to trade and draft right I would love it if Toronto walked out with Anthony Davis or Drummond with our pick, Gillchrist/Miller/Barnes with Ed Davis' trade and see if a team wants Barbosa come deadline time and wants to offer a later first to get William Buford who is a sleeper pick. Very good role player for Toronto as a backup SG plays good defense and IMHO will surprise a lot of people just wish he would add some more muscle mass like another 10-15 lbs. If not him Tomas Satoransky looks like he's worth a look as a prospect or there's Kris Joesph as a athletic prospect and worth a risk as a backup SF here plus having a Canadian on the roster is good to sell tickets/jerseys and all that stuff. If all he costs you is Barbosa then you take that risk. At worst I think you might get asked to take on a extra year of smaller salary say in the $2-$3 million range

[Hassassin]

Toronto trades:
Barbosa

Toronto receives:
Turiaf
Webster

New York trades:
Turiaf

New York receives:
Miller

Minnesota trades:
Miller
Webster

Minnesota receives:
Barbosa

[JYD]

I really like Amir Johnson over Ed Davis. I could be one of the only few who does so I would look to move Ed Davis first before Amir since Ed would have more league value to acquire a 2nd 2012 first round pick.

No doubt Davis has more value, but Amir still should have good value, and in the end he's a 6th man, 25-30MPG type, while Davis can be a full time starter. This season I can see BC trying to sell high on Amir and Barbosa and obviously try to do something with Josdrea Caldrani if there are takers, but that's about it.

[Mr Swagtastic]

I really like Amir Johnson over Ed Davis. I could be one of the only few who does so I would look to move Ed Davis first before Amir since Ed would have more league value to acquire a 2nd 2012 first round pick.

No doubt Davis has more value, but Amir still should have good value, and in the end he's a 6th man, 25-30MPG type, while Davis can be a full time starter. This season I can see BC trying to sell high on Amir and Barbosa and obviously try to do something with Josdrea Caldrani if there are takers, but that's about it.

Well I meant I would only trade Ed Davis if Drummond/Anthony Davis were picked up with Toronto's pick. Ideally I would move Bargs for whatever salary relief possible but that would be like pulling teeth. So if Ed Davis could get us Miller/Gillchrist straight up I do that and don't look back. Amir should be able to get something but really I don't see him getting anything more then a 15-20 range pick which I would pass up on if I am Toronto we don't have anything really to add to make it fair. I.E. I wouldn't move a pick with Amir to get a into the 10 range.

[CANsportsguru]

Really we need to tank this season and keep getting high picks and rebuilding. We don't want anyone that will give us a few more wins this season unless it's a superstar level player and I don't see CP3 or Howard coming to T.O. Next year we'll have JV coming over a top pick and a lot of cap let's hope BC don't mess this up.

[chrisanna]

Exactly. Dont do anything that kills next years cap space. Fill the roster with anyone cheap. next year we are sitting pretty with basically 2 rookie star/solid level players HOPEFULLY plus alot of cap space with DeMar and Ed improving.

[Rapsfan07]

I really like Amir Johnson over Ed Davis. I could be one of the only few who does so I would look to move Ed Davis first before Amir since Ed would have more league value to acquire a 2nd 2012 first round pick.

No doubt Davis has more value, but Amir still should have good value, and in the end he's a 6th man, 25-30MPG type, while Davis can be a full time starter. This season I can see BC trying to sell high on Amir and Barbosa and obviously try to do something with Josdrea Caldrani if there are takers, but that's about it.

Well I meant I would only trade Ed Davis if Drummond/Anthony Davis were picked up with Toronto's pick. Ideally I would move Bargs for whatever salary relief possible but that would be like pulling teeth. So if Ed Davis could get us Miller/Gillchrist straight up I do that and don't look back. Amir should be able to get something but really I don't see him getting anything more then a 15-20 range pick which I would pass up on if I am Toronto we don't have anything really to add to make it fair. I.E. I wouldn't move a pick with Amir to get a into the 10 range.

You wouldn't moved a protected 2013 pick + Amir for a pick in the 10 range? Do I understand you correctly?

That's crazy. I like Amir but I'd MUCH rather keep Ed and move Amir if that's the return I'm going to get.

[Snakeyes]

How about some Curry?

[bboyskinnylegs]

How about some Curry?

I think he would be a great fit with DeMar and would help solidify our backcourt longterm, but what could the Warriors be interested in from us? They're looking to make the playoffs, and they may even use Curry as the centrepiece in a Paul deal.

I'd offer them any two players outside of DeMar and Jonas, and would be willing to give them salary relief for Biedrins as well. My guess is they'd ask for our pick, and I'm not entirely sure if I'd want to risk giving that up in this draft. I'd try to do whatever we can to keep our pick, so we can grab a quality SF/PF talent.

Here's an idea:
to CHI: Barbosa
to GSW: Watson (expiring), Ed Davis, Bayless, CHI 2012 1st
to TOR: Biedrins, Curry, Bogans+Lucas+Pargo (unguaranteed, can be waived)


Curry/Jose
DeMar/Weems?
J.Johnson/Kleiza
Amir/?
Jonas/Biedrins/Alabi

+ (Davis/Drummond/PJ3/Lamb/Gilchrist/Miller/Barnes/Henson/Jones/Sullinger)

I doubt the Warriors go for it.

[Rapsfan07]

How about some Curry?

I think he would be a great fit with DeMar and would help solidify our backcourt longterm, but what could the Warriors be interested in from us? They're looking to make the playoffs, and they may even use Curry as the centrepiece in a Paul deal.

I'd offer them any two players outside of DeMar and Jonas, and would be willing to give them salary relief for Biedrins as well. My guess is they'd ask for our pick, and I'm not entirely sure if I'd want to risk giving that up in this draft. I'd try to do whatever we can to keep our pick, so we can grab a quality SF/PF talent.

Here's an idea:
to CHI: Barbosa
to GSW: Watson (expiring), Ed Davis, Bayless, CHI 2012 1st
to TOR: Biedrins, Curry, Bogans+Lucas+Pargo (unguaranteed, can be waived)


Curry/Jose
DeMar/Weems?
J.Johnson/Kleiza
Amir/?
Jonas/Biedrins/Alabi

+ (Davis/Drummond/PJ3/Lamb/Gilchrist/Miller/Barnes/Henson/Jones/Sullinger)

I doubt the Warriors go for it.

I like Bayless and Ed and I'd do this deal in a heartbeat.

GS doesn't like it though. Not enough value for Curry.

[Snakeyes]

I'd be prepared to give them our unprotected 2013 pick since the rebuild will be done if we can make all these moves by then.

[Rapsfan07]

I'd be prepared to give them our unprotected 2013 pick since the rebuild will be done if we can make all these moves by then.

I definitely wouldn't. GS has more talent on their roster and still end up in the lottery. I don't see why we wouldn't be also.

Unless our 2012 draft pick and Val turn out to be absolute studs in the early going, I'd refrain from moving unprotected picks.

[bboyskinnylegs]

I'd be prepared to give them our unprotected 2013 pick since the rebuild will be done if we can make all these moves by then.

I definitely wouldn't. GS has more talent on their roster and still end up in the lottery. I don't see why we wouldn't be also.

Unless our 2012 draft pick and Val turn out to be absolute studs in the early going, I'd refrain from moving unprotected picks.

yeah it would suck to get all excited about Curry now only to find out later that we traded the pick that turned into Shabazz Muhammad.

[purpleswagg]

What do you guys think about Bargnani for Jeff Green? This is actually a trade that could actually happen if Celtics don't wanna pay Jeff Green $10m/season. They need scoring, and we need a SF.

[bboyskinnylegs]

What do you guys think about Bargnani for Jeff Green? This is actually a trade that could actually happen if Celtics don't wanna pay Jeff Green $10m/season. They need scoring, and we need a SF.

I want no part of Jeff Green. He's a mediocre 3/4 tweener that's about to get overpaid. I'd much, much rather just play James Johnson more minutes and see what he can do this year, and realistically be in prime position to draft one of the quality SFs this year (Gilchrist/Miller/Barnes, PJ3/Lamb could potentially be 3's as well--all of those guys are likely going to be in the mix for our pick)

[Rapsfan07]

What do you guys think about Bargnani for Jeff Green? This is actually a trade that could actually happen if Celtics don't wanna pay Jeff Green $10m/season. They need scoring, and we need a SF.

I want no part of Jeff Green. He's a mediocre 3/4 tweener that's about to get overpaid. I'd much, much rather just play James Johnson more minutes and see what he can do this year, and realistically be in prime position to draft one of the quality SFs this year (Gilchrist/Miller/Barnes, PJ3/Lamb could potentially be 3's as well--all of those guys are likely going to be in the mix for our pick)

Yup. Patience is key here.

I was on the Jeff Green bandwagon early but he really failed to break out as I had expected him to. I think Terrence Jones will face the same dilemma when he is drafted btw. Anyways, I say a vet SF and C stop gap on one year/expiring deals and let's develop the young guys this season. It's a shortened one so may as well make the most of it.