2011-12 Schedule Released

[penquin11]

Holy **** we are goingto get wiped with that schedule, Milwakue is one of the worst teams we play on that schedule and we will lose that game 7/10 times!

[Kembastockton]

How many times do we play the Lakers, Oklahoma, Miami, Memphis, or Dallas? Three quarters of our games are against fellow lottery teams in other words teams with which we should match up well. The back to back games will be a factor for all the teams. At least all of our guys are young. Like I feared all summer we will likely win 25 plus games and end up picking to low for a franchise player AGAIN.

I am starting to understand the rumours that indicate Mike is not going to tank. What is the point? Build the team the best way you can mostly through trades, and the draft when possible. Who knows maybe Mike and Cho think Kemba and Biz can be our franchise players?

[penquin11]

We play 25 or 26 teams that were lottery teams this past year however against most of those teams we match up poorly. Remember the Timberwolves actually have a real coach now and have a decent roster, the Bucks are a playoff team when healthy plus they now have an actual scorer out of Capt Jax, the Raptors have a new head coach and a talented roster with rumors that their new Bigman could play for them this year, the Wizards seemed to catch on to their identity last year and outmatch us at nearly every position, the Houston Rockets missed the playoffs despite posting a winning record and are still much better than us, The Pistons have a new coach but are a team that we should beat, Cleveland could come out of Free Agency with a legit starting SG but should be beatable, the Clippers have a developing star and should become a playoff team, Utah still features a deeper and more experienced team then us, the Nets despite their terrible record have a shot to pickup a big time free-agent this summer which could make them a playoff team, the Kings have several players that could become stars and if they put it together could be a playoff team, the Warriors play an up-beat style of play that causes problems and unlike every other team in the league we dont have sufficient hieght at SG to shut down Ellis and we dont have the offensive weapons to out-score them, the Suns are a team that will be decent as Alvin Gentry coaches them.

Teams that we match up favorably against
Raptors: We could best them with our point guards and Small Forwards scoring, however I believe that their new head coach will make that team into a real NBA team and could pose a problem for us.
Suns: Depth wise the Suns suck and we could beat them, however the Suns will never be an easy W while Nash is there.
Cleveland: Right Now this is a game we should definitely win
Pistons: If Greg Monroe continues to develop and Knight has a instant impact then this game suddenly goes from favorable to losable.

What you guys are forgetting is that last year we gave up our top 2 scorers on our team, we also gave up the 2 most experienced players on our team, our 2 leaders (though Crash seemed to be more of a blamer), and are now stuck with a roster that is absolutely terrible. Literally UK and UNC both have more talent on their Basketball teams then the Bobcats do:
(dont even try to debate it, you know its true).
Whether we like it or not this year we are the joke of the league roster-wise....

[Battery]

How many times do we play the Lakers, Oklahoma, Miami, Memphis, or Dallas? Three quarters of our games are against fellow lottery teams in other words teams with which we should match up well. The back to back games will be a factor for all the teams. At least all of our guys are young. Like I feared all summer we will likely win 25 plus games and end up picking to low for a franchise player AGAIN.

I am starting to understand the rumours that indicate Mike is not going to tank. What is the point? Build the team the best way you can mostly through trades, and the draft when possible. Who knows maybe Mike and Cho think Kemba and Biz can be our franchise players?

What rumors are you talking about? No owner is going to come out and say they're "tanking." We're REBUILDING, huge difference. Tanking would be starting Matt Carroll and Diop.

And we're going to get crushed by that schedule because we are young. Kemba and Biz aren't used playing 82 games in a season, let alone back to back to games every week. DJ isn't tough, Tyrus plays good once or twice a week during a normal season, Maggette getting injured is a given, Hendo hasn't been a picture of perfect health since he entered the league and we have a crappy bench.

The only way we win 25 games is if the other teams are just so exhausted that they basically give up and use us as a game to rest their starters. Could happen and we'll probably steal a few games, but come the all star break, (if not sooner) our youngin's will hit that rookie wall. Then what do we have? DJ? Tyrus? Maggette? EEK

[Kembastockton]

You guys make valid points, and I hope that you are right. However, every year I hear about how bad the bobcats are, and every year they surprise people and have a better season than anyone expects. Every year I hear comments like this one:

Literally UK and UNC both have more talent on their Basketball teams then the Bobcats do:
(dont even try to debate it, you know its true).
Whether we like it or not this year we are the joke of the league roster-wise....

Come on that is absolutely ridiculous. The bobcats are full of former lottery picks. We are a team full of role players with no star to lead them. Gerald and Jax were good players, but neither was a star. Because we lost them we are sure not to make the playoffs, because we have not replaced their defense. However scoring wise Magette, Kemba, and Bismack should have little problem replacing the thirty seven points per game the two of them provided. Gerald and Jax are straight up over rated.

The only way we win 25 games is if the other teams are just so exhausted that they basically give up and use us as a game to rest their starters. Could happen and we'll probably steal a few games, but come the all star break, (if not sooner) our youngin's will hit that rookie wall. Then what do we have? DJ? Tyrus? Maggette? EEK

The Bobcats have always had strong coaches, and Silas is no different. You might as well expect the Bobcats to win at least ten games this season against teams that just don't come to play that night.

What you guys seem to fail to understand is that these other lottery teams have the same problems that we face. The rookies that are expected to come in an play major roles for these teams are no more used to 82 games than Kemba and Bismack are. Kyrie in particular missed most of last season with a toe injury.

As far as the tanking goes the Bobcats have never said anything close to that. We the fans have been speculating that we would be looking to loose as much as possible to get the highest pick possible. The rumours that I am refering to are the ones that indicate the bobcats are actually trying to improve the team. Like Silas actually looking for shooters to spread the floor for our drivers and big men to operate. Also the rumour that we actually want to bring back Kwame who played quality center for us last season. If we were tanking we would not be trying to improve a team that only missed the playoffs by a handful of games.

[BigSlam]

The Bobcats have always had strong coaches, and Silas is no different.

Dude, seriously...............are you drunk?

Bickerstaff = bad coach, great motivator of men.
Vincent = bad coach, out of his league.
Brown = worst coach in the history of the franchise who did more damage to our team short and long term than Morrison, May and Rush did combined.

Silas is the only real coach we have had so far. A guy who can connect with the players and who actually identifies what we need (guys to have a green light and to get up and down the court).

[penquin11]

Challenge accepted:

Lets take a look at UNC Chapel Hills Current Roster and look at the future projected picks and ect:

To the Starting Lineup:

PG Kendall Marshal: The Man is going to be a mid-lotto pick who is being compared to Jason Kidd because of his insane passing vision....... He is the 16th ranked prospect in the nation, but his value is estimated to rise.
SG Dexter Strictland: The #11 ranked Junior basketball player in the Nation posseses rare speed and extreme agility, his 6-3 frame fits more of a Point Guard role that he could develop into in the NBA. He is projected as a Late 1st or Early 2nd round pick
SF Harrison Barnes: He is the #3 ranked player in the nation currently and is the #1 ranked Sophmore (thats right above Jared Sullinger and such), he is a natural scorer with great instincts and a knack for on ball D, he also accells in the clutch when given the opportunity to. He is projected to land #3 overall in the 2012 Draft as of right now.
PF John Henson: He is the #2 Ranked Junior in the nation and the #7 ranked player in the nation currently. He posses rare athletism and length that allow him to have a unique impact on Defense, he has also been developing his offensive game over the years. (est pick 7 in 2012 draft)
C Tyler Zeller: the #1 ranked Senior in the Nation and is the 13th ranked prospect in the nation....

Now lets examine their bench
PJ Hairston: Is estimated to be the 9th pick in the 2013 NBA draft, even with the limited time he has had to showcase his abilities.
Reggie Bullock: Is estimated to be the 26th pick in the 2013 NBA draft, however as playing time becomes more consistent and he gets starts his stock will likely rocket into the lottery.
James McAdoo: is the 5th ranked freshmen in the Nation and despite virtually no playing time is projected as the 1st pick in the 2nd round of the 2013 NBA draft.
Not To mention that All of the above stated guys were highly recruited coming out of college and all were near the top of their recruiting class..........

So let me get this right:
UNC Chapel Hill is projected to produce 6 first round picks within the next two drafts alone, further more 4 of the 6 (not even considering Bullocks likelyhood) are projected lottery picks, and of those 4, 2 (or even 3 depending on the PG depth this year for Marshall) are projected to be drafted within the top 10 picks of their respective drafts, but lets continue on shall we? Not Only is Harrison Barnes projected to be drafted within the top 10 but he is projected (and is nearly a lock) to be drafted within the top 5 picks in the NBA Draft, a honor that the Lolcats have only had once! Furthermore Barnes is in a draft class that is considered to be one of the strongest in quiet a while......

Now with all of that stated the Bobcats do posses a edge in players on the team drafted in the 1st round over the number of players projected to be drafted from UNC in the 1st over the next two years. However the Bobcats 1st rounders span years apart not just focused in a two year zone and the majority of the Bobcats 1st rounders are also looked at as busts.

Im not saying that the Bobcats are worse then the Tar Heels or that the Heels could beat the Bobcats in a game (although its not much of a stretch) Im just saying that UNC Chapel Hill has a more talented roster then the Charlotte Bobcats do at this time (with Walker and Biyombo being X factors in the discussion) not necessarily a more skilled roster.

6 1st rounders over the next 2 years alone? 6? Most of whom are projected Lottery picks? That is one hell of a starting lineup.......
----------------- Also to Slam
Yeah our coaches have SUCKED, Silas is by far the best we have had

[fatlever]

men vs boys, the bobcats would crush the tarheels in a 7 game series.

[fatlever]

PG: dj (lottery pick), kemba (lottery pick)
SG: hendo (lottery pick)
SF: maggette (lottery pick)
PF: diaw (1st round pick), tyrus (lottery pick), white (1st round pick)
C: kwame (lottery pick), biyombo (lottery pick)

and considering the tarheels recent track record with 1st round busts its no sure thing that any of the current heels will live up to their expectations: forte - bust, mccants - bust, ellington - bust, may - bust, wright - bust, marvin - bust for where he was picked, felton - you can argue he was a bust for where he was picked.

that leaves tyler and lawson as the only two tarheels in the 1st round in the past decade who have lived up to where they were drafted (with ed davis still TBD).

[dmutombo321]

men vs boys, the bobcats would crush the tarheels in a 7 game series.

I happen to enjoy both college and the NBA. College has a much better atmosphere hands down but the NBA always takes the the trophy by a mile in terms of it being basketball at its highest level.

I bring this up alot when people trash the NBA and talk about how the college game is so much better in terms of the quality of basketball.

On a given year, you can take the college national champions and match them against a bad NBA lottery team and the lotto team would crush them.

The bobcats or even the T-Wolves would demolish a team like duke or carolina. Zeller trying to check 280 lb Darko in the post or Henson attempting to establish postion on kevin love?

In terms of future potential though, KY and UNC are pretty stacked with NBA talent. Some will never realize their potential and others will need time to season.

[Kembastockton]

Bickerstaff = bad coach, great motivator of men.

Bickerstaff is a veteren nba coach. The nba is the highest level of basketball anywhere in the world. Any veteren nba coach is one of the best coaches in the world whether you like them or not.

Vincent = bad coach, out of his league.

I can't disagree. He was around so shortly that I quite frankly forgot that he existed.

Brown = worst coach in the history of the franchise who did more damage to our team short and long term than Morrison, May and Rush did combined.

Larry Brown is one of the most successful coaches in history. He just happened to be a bad fit in Charlotte. Why? Because our guys were not mentally tough enough to become the winners he tried to make them. Not because he was a bad coach.

[penquin11]

On the Veteran NBA coach subject I would like to present Sidney Lowe, who not only failed miserably in coaching in the NBA but also managed to fail at coaching in the NCAA at NC State after his NBA coaching stint. Also I have to point out that Coach K of Duke is probably just as good if not better then most NBA coaches.

Also on Larry Brown; Brown historically was a great coach, but considering his track record with Bobcats rookies it is hard to argue that he was also suffering from "I dont want to change" syndrome. The greatest of the great coaches change their schemes to match their teams strengths, Larry did not do that. DJ Augustin will never be the Point Guard that Brown was trying to mold him into and because of that DJ regressed in many ways up until the hiring of Silas. Also like I brought up before with Henderson; I swear I heard NOTHING positive about the kid up until Silas came in, I remember earlier last year we were discussing how he needed to get his act together and how we should try to trade him and so on and so forth. As it turns out Henderson may turn into a leader on this team, not because we need him to, but because he seems like he could be that guy for us. Once Silas came in Henderson started seeing more time and started making important plays, DJ seemed to gain life again on the court, guys who would have been useless with brown such as DJ White prooved that they might be part of our teams future.
That stated I do believe that what Brown was trying to mold Charlotte into was beneficial for the organization, but simply was not compatible with the players we had at the time. I see proof of his good intentions in how Kwame suddenly rose from the ashes and went from being useless and regarded as sluggish to showing good work ethic and is now coveted in free-agency by multiple teams, Kwame connected with Brown so well because he was at a stage in his career where he had NOTHING to lose and everything to gain, and brown was able to get him to see that. Unfortunately DJ is not a lion and seems more like a timid brother then a bastion of strength combine that with the lack of general support that the club had showed him over the years and you get a scared young player, in the case of Henderson I do have to say that in many ways it seemed as if Brown knew that Henderson could develop into a leader but went about motivating Henderson to step up in the wrong way (sort of like how my art teacher used to bitch about my art work every day trying to get me to step my art work up, but instead I simply felt like I was chasing an unrealistic goal because of how she portrayed the situation). With all this stated I could see Brown and Kemba being great fits as a coach-PG duo and even could see Biyombo enjoying playing under him as Brown continuously pushed him to exceed expectations, but that is just a speculation and only one at that.
For Now we have Coach Silas who is a charismatic coach that seems to encourage players to have fun on the court but also play a solid game of basketball, while also teaching them to not pass up open opportunities. And as it stand Silas is the right guy for our organization at this time-period.