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Ding's take on D12 trade: Lakers should wait 

Post#1 » by snaquille oatmeal » Thu Dec 8, 2011 6:20 am

http://www.ocregister.com/sports/bynum-330352-lakers-season.html

With the owners and players ready to deal, Bynum sent those giant thumbs flying into action, firing off a text message to Sean Zarzana that it was time to get seriously ready for the season and there was not a moment to spare! Sure enough, Bynum was on a flight within hours to go from Los Angeles to Atlanta and resume high-octane workouts.

He hasn't come back yet.

In a phone interview from Atlanta, Zarzana said: "He's looking phenomenal right now. He's as good as I've ever seen him as far as being in shape – and mentally all there. He was healthy all offseason, so he doesn't have any of those nagging questions."

This is why the Lakers would be wise to take a wait-and-see approach with the trade market, even if New Orleans is pushing for a Chris Paul trade now. (Important side note: I love CP3 and believe completely that he is a truly special gamer. He has more winning character in his bad left knee than Dwight Howard has in his whole cartoonish body. Yet there's still no way you can pick Paul over Howard. This is, fundamentally, a game in which you need big boys to win big.)

Bynum's stock will be on the rise again after he plays some ball and reminds everyone what he morphed into the second half of last season – and flaunts what he has added in fitness and fluidity during the long lockout. Bynum definitely improved his body and feet and especially built his confidence up with his boxing training with Freddie Roach and Alex Ariza. But, as Zarzana told him when Bynum informed him he wanted to try boxing, there's no forgetting his real business.


If that deal is really going to do down, the Lakers would be nuts to rush a shot now at Howard's end.

There is absolutely no reason to trade Bynum and more players – and rest assured Magic GM Otis Smith wants more – at this time when anxious Lakers fans have created this frenzy to go get Howard. It has created leverage that Orlando otherwise completely lacks.

The Lakers can trot Bynum out there (after his five-game NBA suspension), let everyone appreciate he is the Western Conference All-Star center at 24, win a bunch of games with the continuity and depth in this roster and gauge what they really want to do later this season. The trade deadline likely won't even be until March, and by that time, Smith will be really sweating it in the Orlando humidity as Howard begins to flex that contract-opt-out muscle.

The timetable might well be accelerated just by the Magic not wanting this negativity hanging over the franchise when it is playing host to the NBA All-Star Game at its new arena in February. Or the power can shift toward the Lakers as soon as Howard makes his first public peep of the season that he might be ready to move on.

The risk in waiting is if Bynum gets hurt – because he so often does. His trainer is certainly biased, disbelieving of the Lakers' assessments that Bynum is predisposed to knee problems, but Zarzana can offer this much as a first-hand reporter from all these months since you last saw Bynum: "Everything's fine. He hasn't complained once about any pain."

This is the rare offseason Bynum hasn't been recovering from knee injury. Zarzana, whom Bynum first hired in 2007 (the same time Kobe Bryant was caught on a certain parking-lot video asking to ship Bynum out), explained how meaningful it has been: "It's huge for him. Mentally, especially. He always had to test it and feel it out and see if he's ready to start building up. This year, he didn't have to do any of that. He could just focus."


interesting take, discuss!
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Re: Ding's take on D12 trade: Lakers should wait 

Post#2 » by Dr Aki » Thu Dec 8, 2011 6:42 am

i for one wouldnt play chicken if dwight howard was on the table for bynum (and with gasol)

if and when orlando decides to sell dwight for a reasonable price, we'll be buying.
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Re: Ding's take on D12 trade: Lakers should wait 

Post#3 » by Slava » Thu Dec 8, 2011 6:52 am

Its infinitely more satisfying to see your own draft pick pan out, although after 6 seasons but what do they say about selling high?

This is Dwight Howard, MVP candidate and multiple time DPOY at 25.
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Post#4 » by Leor_77 » Thu Dec 8, 2011 7:08 am

Interesting article which has very valid points. If Bynum plays "balls to the wall," we may be able to give Orlando less...Who knows?
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Re: Ding's take on D12 trade: Lakers should wait 

Post#5 » by snaquille oatmeal » Thu Dec 8, 2011 7:14 am

Leor_77 wrote:Interesting article which has very valid points. If Bynum plays "balls to the wall," we may be able to give Orlando less...Who knows?

what I like about Ding is that he always has the inside knowledge and applies it to his articles in a very old fashion way instead of just going for the sensational tweeter type headline.
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Re: Ding's take on D12 trade: Lakers should wait 

Post#6 » by DEEP3CL » Thu Dec 8, 2011 7:18 am

This was my thinking all alone, once Drew hits the court and can produce the cards turn in our favor. Such as if Mitch still decides to do the deal, Orlando can't shove not one of their bad contracts on us. Otis in reality only has about 12-14 weeks to figure their situation out.

Dwight has cards in his hands too, once he gets frigidity the atmosphere there will get tense. All he has to say is "it's Lakers or I walk", common sense tells you they're not letting him walk and get nothing in return.

Personally I'd rather stand pat, get a guard on the cheap such as Baron Davis and roll with what we have. We're still a major threat.
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Re: Ding's take on D12 trade: Lakers should wait 

Post#7 » by EnigmaticProblem » Thu Dec 8, 2011 7:24 am

I was watching Baron Davis highlights from last year, and he is still a very, very, very good point guard. I think playing alongside Kobe, and on a winning side, will keep him motivated, as well-- It'll keep him in shape. I truly think simply picking up Baron Davis can be a major game-changer, for us.

This is also why I'd rather trade for Dwight (and keep Gasol).
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Post#8 » by tugs » Thu Dec 8, 2011 8:51 am

if Andrew plays ball at a high level, I don't know what to feel.

at last we're getting production from our draft pick and expectations are met, but we could lose him via trade for Dwight. :(
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Post#9 » by Imadogg » Thu Dec 8, 2011 8:55 am

Oh damn now I'm excited to see Bynum out there again... I just remembered how much I love him when he's healthy and not worrying about getting hurt... ooooh boner alert!!!!




And forrealzies though.... he better not **** get hurt. Hell no. Goodbye to anyone good if he gets hurt..
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Re: Ding's take on D12 trade: Lakers should wait 

Post#10 » by slifersd » Thu Dec 8, 2011 9:31 am

A lot of you act like we have a lot of leverage in this whole Dwight Howard thing, but the truth is, all it takes is for D Howard to have another team that he would like to play at for us to lose all of our leverage. Let's say if D Howard says he loves to play for the lakers but New Jersey isn't too bad either, then Magic has all the leverage in their trade talk with us again. Guys, there is a reason an opportunity to trade for a superstar doesn't happen everyday. If we can get a chance to trade Bynum, whose ceiling is D Howard, for the actual D Howard, then we'd be absolutely stupid to not take the deal just because we might get a Turkoglu or whoever else in return as part of the deal.
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Re: Ding's take on D12 trade: Lakers should wait 

Post#11 » by lakerz12 » Thu Dec 8, 2011 9:41 am

This is a really tough call... as is the case with most trades involving big time players (except for when you can send nothing and get an all star center, cough Pau cough)

But seriously I lean toward just getting Howard ASAP because of Bynum injury risk. With Howard we are guaranteed to seriously contend for title.

But if somehow Bynum is beastly the whole season and we get to keep everyone then who knows.

I personally think we need to get Dwight, Paul, or another superstar to have the best chance at a ring this year.

I trust our front office though. .they have done us well
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Post#12 » by LA Forever » Thu Dec 8, 2011 12:44 pm

One part of me wants to do the Bynum for Howard trade right away, but another part of me wants to see what Bynum has to offer this season after all the hard work and training he put in the summer. They say he looks better than ever, and I for one truly want to see what he's all about amidst all his injuries and inconsistencies. I know that a lot of Laker fans want to see him gone right away, but to me, I still have a deep liking to him, especially since we drafted him and have seen him grow and mature, even through the injuries. It's just very unfortunate that they weren't even truly his fault, just got dealt a bad hand.
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Post#13 » by semi-sentient » Thu Dec 8, 2011 2:30 pm

If there is a Bynum + <Odom or other filler> offer on the table for Howard, we take it. There is no waiting.

As much as I'd like to see what Bynum is going to produce this year, and whether or not he can even manage to play 30+ mpg for a change, there's no reason to sit around waiting for the deal to sweeten at the risk of losing out on the best center in the game.
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Post#14 » by Sedale Threatt » Thu Dec 8, 2011 4:30 pm

SlavaMedvedenko wrote:This is Dwight Howard, MVP candidate and multiple time DPOY at 25.


semi-sentient wrote:If there is a Bynum + <Odom or other filler> offer on the table for Howard, we take it. There is no waiting.


Exactly. With the possible exception of trying to drive the price down, I see absolutely no point in waiting if he's available. But it's still going to take more than one body, even Andrew is he's an All-Star, to get him. He's a proven commodity.
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Post#15 » by AceFresh » Thu Dec 8, 2011 4:45 pm

Agree with Sedale and Slava

Waiting is completely useless.


How many times have we been eager to see a healthy Andrew Bynum and for him to finally make strides?

We're in the latter stages of the Kobe-era, if we can get a Dwight right now, you do it no hesitation.
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Post#16 » by dub81 » Thu Dec 8, 2011 5:15 pm

Sorry..but hurry up and make this trade.

I believe Bynum want's to be the focal point of the offense because he wants to be great and I can see that. But with Kobe and Gasol around that will never happen. Kobe also in a interview that Bynum has to wait his turn cause he gotta eat. I do not agree with what he said and if I was Bynum I would want to leave.
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Post#17 » by semi-sentient » Thu Dec 8, 2011 5:49 pm

dub81 wrote:Kobe also in a interview that Bynum has to wait his turn cause he gotta eat. I do not agree with what he said and if I was Bynum I would want to leave.


He's right. We can't build our offense around a guy that hasn't shown he can play a full season or handle heavy minutes. Bynum's role is to defend the basket, and we would be much better off if he focused on that instead of worrying about how many points he can score.

If we get Dwight, you can bet his offensive numbers are going to take a dip because we don't need him to score as much as he does now. It's the same with Bynum since there are better options on offense.
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Post#18 » by TonyMontana » Thu Dec 8, 2011 6:30 pm

All I can say is where is all the Bynum jock riders at??

I have been wanting to get rid of Bynum for a long time now as most of you know, specially after the drama him and his agent brought to this franchise when time came to resign him. I would throw the kitchen table at Orlando to aquire D12.

With D12 we are the favorite to win it all, with Bynum we are the second best team in the W.C. I dont care with all the B.S nonsense of he was injured and he will bounce back from his injuries. He isnt and he will never be the dominate center this org. has been known for since Wilt.

Chips are won by and through dominating centers, history has proven that time and time again. Skip Bynum, let him take his talent to south beach too.
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Post#19 » by The_Trade_Seer » Thu Dec 8, 2011 6:42 pm

^ 100 correct!
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Post#20 » by dub81 » Thu Dec 8, 2011 6:49 pm

semi-sentient wrote:
dub81 wrote:Kobe also in a interview that Bynum has to wait his turn cause he gotta eat. I do not agree with what he said and if I was Bynum I would want to leave.


He's right. We can't build our offense around a guy that hasn't shown he can play a full season or handle heavy minutes. Bynum's role is to defend the basket, and we would be much better off if he focused on that instead of worrying about how many points he can score.

If we get Dwight, you can bet his offensive numbers are going to take a dip because we don't need him to score as much as he does now. It's the same with Bynum since there are better options on offense.


naw...don't agree...Kobe is getting older and he should start sharing the load and in crunch time he can start doing his thing.
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