Want Jays to sign Fielder? Here's how

[-MetA4-]

You want to know what annoys me? The same idiots that are going to be signing this "petition" and "pledging" that they'll attend 'X' amount of games are going to be the first ones out the door if we sign Fielder and the team doesn't instantly become a playoff caliber team. Yeah, there will be an initial excitement of "whoopie we got Fielder!", but if the team under-performs the fairweather bunch will forget that Fielder even exists. Oh, but they'll be back the following offseason crying about how we have to sign 'X' top free agent or else they wont support the team.

This fanbase is ****.

[CPT]

This is **** stupid. Did you ever stop and think that maybe Alex Antopoulos doesn't want to sign Fielder? Yeah; lets alienate the GM and threaten to make his decisions for him, and/or force his hand into changing the direction he wants to take the team.

Alienate the GM? What the **** is he going to do? Unfriend you on facebook? Sit in his room and cry?

Don't tell me it's about him leaving. Is the inferiority complex that bad?

This isn't about AA anyway. I'm sure he'd love to have Fielder if there's room in the budget he's been given. The fans are simply asking for Rogers to make good on their promises that the money will be there when it is needed.

[darth_federer]

You want to know what annoys me? The same idiots that are going to be signing this "petition" and "pledging" that they'll attend 'X' amount of games are going to be the first ones out the door if we sign Fielder and the team doesn't instantly become a playoff caliber team. Yeah, there will be an initial excitement of "whoopie we got Fielder!", but if the team under-performs the fairweather bunch will forget that Fielder even exists. Oh, but they'll be back the following offseason crying about how we have to sign 'X' top free agent or else they wont support the team.

This fanbase is ****.

Youve been awful pissy today. I agree with your posts on the whole Fielder thing but chill out bro.

[torontoaces04]

You want to know what annoys me? The same idiots that are going to be signing this "petition" and "pledging" that they'll attend 'X' amount of games are going to be the first ones out the door if we sign Fielder and the team doesn't instantly become a playoff caliber team. Yeah, there will be an initial excitement of "whoopie we got Fielder!", but if the team under-performs the fairweather bunch will forget that Fielder even exists. Oh, but they'll be back the following offseason crying about how we have to sign 'X' top free agent or else they wont support the team.

This fanbase is ****.

If the fanbase is ****, don't be a part of it. Perhaps you're the fair-weather fan. Seriously, get off your high horse.

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Spread the word. If you love the Jays, and think that 11 years of constant mediocrity is enough, then join the movement. It's not just about signing Prince, it's an overall lack of commitment from ownership.

Rogers is the wealthiest owner in Professional Sports in North America. Almost 9 billion dollars in profit over the last two years, and they can't afford to field a team that can compete in the AL East.

4th largest city in North America
1st Wealthiest Owner in North America
23rd Largest (A term used lightly) payroll in the MLB

The numbers just don't add up.

SIGN THE PETITION HERE!!!

[-MetA4-]

Seriously, get off your high horse.

Or else what? You'll make a petition?

[wbbfan]

Seriously, get off your high horse.

Or else what? You'll make a petition?

lol.
Jumping off the band wagon is what fairweather fans do, the team needs more real fans who know it takes time to build a winner. And that you support them through that. Not try to force what you want down the teams throat. 11 years isnt that bad, welcome to the al east. How long is chicago cubs champion ship draught? how long was bostons? this team isnt going to take along time to get back into the play offs, but they are going to do it the right way. Its not like this is JP's team were our minors are virtually empty of players who project to have good mlb careers. We dont need to try to force some junk like happened last time we forced buying a team after too short a rebuild (Aj burnett, BJ ryan etc) The team is going in a great direction relax and enjoy it.
Lack of over all comittment from ownership? Do you actually follow this team? AA wants to build throug the draft, development and trades to fill holes. Under him we have spent amongst the most on the draft, as well as being highly agressive in international free agency. Not to mention trading for pieces like rasmus, and escobar.
Its not even like we arent able to keep our own players due to our owners. We arent signing fielder, he doesnt fit our plan, and our owners and front office are comitted to it.

[wbbfan]

4th largest city in North America
1st Wealthiest Owner in North America
23rd Largest (A term used lightly) payroll in the MLB

The numbers just don't add up.

25th in attendance. and that including all the yankee fans that turn out to each game in TO.
Tied for 6th most in spending in last years draft, high the previous year.
This team isnt the new york yankee's, and wont be run as such. 25th attendance: 23rd payroll is actually fairly sound fiscal spending.

[A-Mac78]

Coming down on people for trying to make their voice heard simply because you do not agree with their point of view is downright Sean Hannity of you.

[wbbfan]

Coming down on people for trying to make their voice heard simply because you do not agree with their point of view is downright Sean Hannity of you.

This isnt making their voices heard, this is trying to force a team to make a move that goes against how its building. Their is a massive difference. And despite the fact it has a sub - 0% chance of working, people who disagree have ever right to voice that opinion. This is a forum after all.

[CPT]

4th largest city in North America
1st Wealthiest Owner in North America
23rd Largest (A term used lightly) payroll in the MLB

The numbers just don't add up.

25th in attendance. and that including all the yankee fans that turn out to each game in TO.
Tied for 6th most in spending in last years draft, high the previous year.
This team isnt the new york yankee's, and wont be run as such. 25th attendance: 23rd payroll is actually fairly sound fiscal spending.

Poppycock.

Toronto is a world class city with a lot of **** to do, especially in the summer.

Put a competitive (that means competitive for a playoff spot, not .500) on the field, and fans will come to the stadium (which Rogers owns on a sweetheart deal) or tune in to watch on TV (which Rogers also owns).

I can understand those that trust Alex Anthopolous and his vision (even though his vision would likely be a lot different if he had an appropriate budget to work with), but the straight up Rogers apologists are truly baffling.

[wbbfan]

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25th in attendance. and that including all the yankee fans that turn out to each game in TO.
Tied for 6th most in spending in last years draft, high the previous year.
This team isnt the new york yankee's, and wont be run as such. 25th attendance: 23rd payroll is actually fairly sound fiscal spending.[/quote]

Poppycock.

Toronto is a world class city with a lot of **** to do, especially in the summer.

Put a competitive (that means competitive for a playoff spot, not .500) on the field, and fans will come to the stadium (which Rogers owns on a sweetheart deal) or tune in to watch on TV (which Rogers also owns).

I can understand those that trust Alex Anthopolous and his vision (even though his vision would likely be a lot different if he had an appropriate budget to work with), but the straight up Rogers apologists are truly baffling.[/quote]

So is new york. So is LA, and chic, and boston etc etc etc. Pretty much every major city out side of the small town teams can argue this point but being bottom 5 in attendance with the lowest % of max seating in the mlb is pretty straight forward. We have seen massive pay rolls under Jp and rogers of 100+ M dollars and it didnt buy play offs. What we are building now, the way we are will bring us back to the play offs. The raptors through many many horrible seasons and little all time success have great support and turn out. The leafs as well, simply the jays turn out has been sub bar for a pro sports franchise and heavily sub par for a world class city. Until the fans support this team in a proper levle the team shouldnt be over spending to that level. They will get their with this building plan. its just goign to take time. Youd do better with a pledge to buy season tickets if he was signed then a threat. cry in your beer, we arent signing prince fielder.

[beater97]

I think this is getting blown way out of proportion. I mean com on guys, it's just something someone thought would be fun to put together as a group and see what could come of it. Relax, and let people support it if they want to.

I personally thought it was a pretty cool idea.

[wbbfan]

Oh yeah all well and fun to threaten the owner of a team with a bottom 5 attendances company in order to try and force a 200m dollar deal that the gm of the team doesnt want to hand out.

[CPT]

If the GM really had the money promised to the fans (payroll upward of $120M), would he really not want to hand out that contract, or is it just because of the budget he's been given (a budget that is ridiculous for a team in a market like Toronto with an owner like Rogers).

As Rhett said in another thread, in any other industry, this kind of thinking wouldn't fly. You can't put the onus on the customers to spend to improve the product. You have to spend money to make money.

[reck0n3r]

The Blue Jays are starting to resemble the Montreal Expos, the franchise now called the Washington Nationals because people stopped going to their games after the 1994-95 baseball strike. The team led the American League in attendance six straight years starting in 1989. They drew more than 4 million fans each year from 1991 through 1993. Last year attendance at the Rogers Centre fell 13% to 1.6 million fans

Avg ticket price is ~ $30

even if the jays have an increase in attendance of 2 million on on average within the next couple of seasons due to more wins/star power - that's an additional revenue of 60 million from tickets alone. Toronto has shown it supports its baseball team and has passionate fans - when there is a good product, and something to be excited about.

Until Rogers shows me that they do care about winning, I'll continue just half assedly following them as a team. It would be sad to see them leave Toronto, but what's the point in following a team with owners that don't try? They wasted a big chunk of Halladays career here, and it's too bad that they didn't move him sooner. I've been a Jays fan for 20 years or so now, naturally with my interest waning with each passing year that we've got no shot at the playoffs.

And anyone saying that the fans suck in Toronto needs to get their heads checked.