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Re: Knicks leaders for Tyson Chandler??? WOW 

Post#1221 » by moabu08 » Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:17 pm

Who says we dont flip chandler in the near future for dwight? All ive heard the last few days about the knicks trading for CP3 or D12 is that they dont have the assets. Chandler is an asset now we can use to flip in a trade. A trade centered around Chandler Shump Fields Douglas pics? Thats not bad to try and lure a team for a big name player. People act like if we sign chandler here is stuck to our roster for life. Hes not Eddy Curry lol the guy can play.
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Post#1222 » by ibraheim718 » Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:17 pm

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god shammgod wrote:why are people going crazy over his salary. it never was gonna be cheap enough for us to have cap room in the summer. other then that, what does it matter ?


Because the money can be used more wisely...


I'm not sure about that. If the team is convinced they don't have a good shot at sighing Chris Paul in free agency, this may actually be our best move to counter the Heat's team. This team will look really good once we bring in a veteran point guard, which I think is a foregone conclusion.


Name me one Veteran PG who can do what D'antoni wants him to do that will take the MLE or the Vet min?

Unless you see D'antoni not being brought back.
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Post#1223 » by makeitstop » Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:18 pm

kane2021 wrote:So CP3 to the lakers is off, and all of a sudden this goes quiet.


I'm starting to think he'll still be in NOLA on opening night.
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Re: Knicks leaders for Tyson Chandler??? WOW 

Post#1224 » by Manhattan Project » Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:18 pm

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Wrong!! If he can't hit the J there won't be room for stat to operate...


Even when D'Antoni was spewing that rhetoric I didn't buy it, Amar'e has PLENTY of room to operate. Hell with Melo around and them two operating on the elbows, they have all that space to work with. Amar'e with the presence of Melo won't be doubled team nearly as much as he was last year, dude is going to get his this year and Chandler won't be blocking him.
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Post#1225 » by The_Philosopher » Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:18 pm

What's the deal with the troll who came in here talking a 3-way deal with Dallas and Sac and left?
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Post#1226 » by KnicksFan007 » Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:19 pm

By the season starts, I know opinions will change but c'mon. We spent YEARS getting killed under the rim. Why is this a bad signing now?

We were not getting anywhere without a big to depend on for rebounding and shutting the lane down. Do you want to get out of the 1st round? We have a big who can guard Dwight, Noah and any other center out there. There is no realistic way to say we could spend it "wisely"

Paul is still a ways away, Foster doesn't seem interested, who else are we going to target as a center? It's time we shed mediocre thinking and start looking at the bigger picture. We are not getting Gasol. We are not getting Nene and he would ask for more than 58 million and we are not getting anywhere until we added a center.

Amare came off an incredible season and added another level to that. Is it so hard to think Tyson can do that here?
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Post#1227 » by F N 11 » Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:19 pm

This adds so much wins for us its crazy. Countless times we have lost on layups or offensive boards. If we had Chandler against the Celtics I bet Rondo wouldnt of been going off like that. DEFENSE!!
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Post#1228 » by MSGLegendNY » Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:19 pm

DE FENSE wrote:
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KnickFan33 wrote:If obtaining Chandler means having Billups amnestied, I can't agree with the move. It's one thing that it'd leave use without a proven point guard, but I think the biggest issue is that it would be a waste of our amnesty option.

I'm actually in favor of holding onto our amnesty option as an insurance policy against Amare's health. I have tons of respect for what he's accomplished for us; but if his knees give out, his contract will be an albatross.


I rather hold on to the amnesty in case chandler breaks down or really doesn't live up to his contract.


Amnesty can only be used on players signed before the new CBA, so it won't be able to be used on Tyson Chandler.

I see, thanks for the info.
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Post#1229 » by knicks9784 » Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:19 pm

Falstaffxx wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:why are people going crazy over his salary. it never was gonna be cheap enough for us to have cap room in the summer. other then that, what does it matter ?


Because the money can be used more wisely...


I'm not sure about that. If the team is convinced they don't have a good shot at sighing Chris Paul in free agency, this may actually be our best move to counter the Heat's team. This team will look really good once we bring in a veteran point guard, which I think is a foregone conclusion.

Chandler looked good playing next to Dirk,Kidd,Terry,Marion etc...


But the things Chandler does aren't really dependent upon them. It's not like Rondo, where he looks good throwing the ball to 2 of the best shooters in the game. And if Chandler looks good next to Dirk/Marion there's every reason to believe he'll look equally good next to Carmelo/Amar'e.


people seem to think if the guys not a natural scorer who puts up 18 a game, hes not worth more than 6 million, which is hogwash. this guy gives us what EVERYONE was clamoring for since ewing. an interior defender. great move, and clearly we got word that paul is fine with LA and thats gonna get done or else we wouldnt make this move. this came out of nowhere, so clearly something changed suddenly.
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Post#1230 » by Falstaffxx » Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:19 pm

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I'm not sure about that. If the team is convinced they don't have a good shot at sighing Chris Paul in free agency, this may actually be our best move to counter the Heat's team. This team will look really good once we bring in a veteran point guard, which I think is a foregone conclusion.


Name me one Veteran PG who can do what D'antoni wants him to do that will take the MLE or the Vet min?

Unless you see D'antoni not being brought back.


I don't think it's as hard as you're making it out to be. We do need a veteran point guard unless Shumpert turns out to be a good point guard, but I don't think there are these specific requirements related to D'Antoni and stuff. Felton and Billups weren't D'Antoni-special point guards.
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Post#1231 » by Anotha Knicks fan » Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:19 pm

Manhattan Project wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
Wrong!! If he can't hit the J there won't be room for stat to operate...


Even when D'Antoni was spewing that rhetoric I didn't buy it, Amar'e has PLENTY of room to operate. Hell with Melo around and them two operating on the elbows, they have all that space to work with. Amar'e with the presence of Melo won't be doubled team nearly as much as he was last year, dude is going to get his this year and Chandler won't be blocking him.

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Post#1232 » by NySpartan4 » Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:20 pm

Falstaffxx wrote:
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HighRyzer83 wrote:Dude wasn't even considered chopped liver 2 years ago when OKC didn't want to sign him for FREE basically. He has a good year with Dallas behind 2 HOFers, and now he's a top tier center? I dont get it either, I just know Dolan and isiah pull the strings around here


When healthy with NOH he was actually pretty damn nice, his foot was just always messed up. The only reason he didn't go to OKC is because of the physical, not because of anything else. They made the effort to trade for him for a reason.

I mean Chandler is no Jerome James, no Ronny Turiaf dude does have legit talent and does make an impact on the game. I mean on paper it's hard to think of a better and realistic fit next to Amar'e.


He is probably the best fit at center next to Amar'e of any center out there. And he directly addresses our biggest need. The only options in the free agent market for center next offseason are Oden and Kaman.

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Post#1233 » by Pharmcat » Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:20 pm

why is dalllas letting him go

that is a red flag
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Post#1234 » by GONYK » Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:20 pm

Falstaffxx wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
Falstaffxx wrote:
I'm not sure about that. If the team is convinced they don't have a good shot at sighing Chris Paul in free agency, this may actually be our best move to counter the Heat's team. This team will look really good once we bring in a veteran point guard, which I think is a foregone conclusion.


Name me one Veteran PG who can do what D'antoni wants him to do that will take the MLE or the Vet min?

Unless you see D'antoni not being brought back.


I don't think it's as hard as you're making it out to be. We do need a veteran point guard unless Shumpert turns out to be a good point guard, but I don't think there are these specific requirements related to D'Antoni and stuff. Felton and Billups weren't D'Antoni-special point guards.

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Post#1235 » by NYK_89 » Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:20 pm

so a quick question here to all the people hating on this trade...
It appears that CP3 will very likley be traded to a location where he will sign a extension by tomorrow, this takes him out of our possibilities, the other 2 max FA from next year have said NOTHING about wanting to come to the knicks and they will have to take significant pay cuts to come here. Our chances of signing D12 or deron were very slim....
That all being said where are you all spending this 14 million in a way that makes us a better team... jesus it seems half of you would rather have had Deandre Jordan or Dalembert for 4 million less..... ARE.... YOU..... KIDDING..... ME......

We overpaid the guy but thats how centers work in this league boys and now we have probaly the best front 3 in the league, as long as he does not become lazy i don't see the problem here we now have 3 players that we can win with just fill out the rest of the team over the next year or two and we are set for awhile
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Post#1236 » by F N 11 » Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:20 pm

When the knicks are top 10 in the NBA in defensive categories we will see who is complaining
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Post#1237 » by TheToothFairy » Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:20 pm

Chandler is too injury prone fir a 60 mil contract at age 29.

And we lose Billups abd Turiaf?

Turiaf played as many games as Tyson the last 3 yrs AND he blks more shots in less minutes
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Post#1238 » by Red Vines » Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:20 pm

I think we'll end up with Barea which I'm okay with.
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Post#1239 » by Deeeez Knicks » Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:21 pm

ibraheim718 wrote:It seems as if kids want to jump into a time machine and go back to 1994... like they either miss it or missed out on something. Those days are long gone... name me one team that is as physical as the 90's Knicks or the 80's Pistons.

Memphis almost beat OKC by playing tight on the perimeter. You can build a great defensive team by shutting down the perimeter or by playing strong man to man defense. Ibaka is a great weakside shotblocker and Dirk shred him to bits because he couldn't guard man to man.

Chandler looked good playing next to Dirk,Kidd,Terry,Marion etc... we don't have that foundation in NY. We've got a guy who's only played under one coach and besides last year one PG. This team will look bad early on... the offense will be melo iso'ing and stat barreling. It's not going to work. Give me 2 guys who put up 5 and 5 for 5 million combined over chandler for 14.5 all day any day.


Dallas had players who put up 5 and 5 at C. Dampier, etc. That wasn't good enough.

Replacing 5 and 5 guys with Chandler made a huge difference on that team. They became a top 10 defensive team and won the championship.

Defense wins championships. And with Amare we need a legit defensive presence next to him. There's no other way around it.

Again, every championship team had all-NBA defensive players at PF and/or C in recent years. Except the Lakers. But they had Gasol/Bynim/Odom who can control the boards and they still dominated the paint.

The paint and interior D is the most CRUCIAL part of playoff basketball. You are not going to win with no presence there.
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Post#1240 » by Iman Shumpert » Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:21 pm

If we sign Chandler....SMH.

This is just like when Chicago signed Ben Wallace. They thought Deng/Hinrich/Gordon was a contender so they didn't mind paying that much for a specialist like Big Ben.

You only sign a guy like this for that kind of money when you already have a contender in place. Get ready for another decade of mediocrity fellow Knick fans. Fringe playoff team for the next 4 years coupled with multiple first round exits, no draft picks, and then 6 years of 30-win seasons and no picks.

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