MLB Offseason Signings & Trades

Captain Erv · Post #121 » by **Captain Erv** » Thu Dec 8, 2011 8:13 pm

ACGB wrote:How is Chris Carpenter going to explain to his son why Albert isn't on the team anymore?

He's going to read him Lessons in Unclassiness 101.

Post #122 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Dec 8, 2011 9:21 pm

Sign Saito and Ramirez to play 1st, call it an offseason.

Kerb Hohl · Post #123 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Thu Dec 8, 2011 9:24 pm

What would you do about Gamel/Green, then? Who do you keep at 3B?

Post #124 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Dec 8, 2011 9:35 pm

Green plays 3B, Gamel to the bench. Give Aramis a weekly start at 3B, Gamel at 1st. Or something.

Kerb Hohl · Post #125 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Thu Dec 8, 2011 9:36 pm

I'm fine with it, but you know that Aramis, and probably Melvin, would just plug him in at 3B every day.

Post #126 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Dec 8, 2011 9:42 pm

Most likely. I think it'd be a waste of an opportunity, obviously.

stevescheffler06 · Post #127 » by **stevescheffler06** » Thu Dec 8, 2011 9:58 pm

I'd love AmRam and Saito to tie a ribbon on this beyotch.

BUCKnation · Post #128 » by **BUCKnation** » Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:34 pm

DrugBust wrote:Sign Saito and Ramirez to play 1st, call it an offseason.

WEFFPIM · Post #129 » by **WEFFPIM** » Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:47 pm

I have my doubts about this team having the cash to sign ARam, let alone both he and Saito.

Kerb Hohl · Post #130 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Thu Dec 8, 2011 11:08 pm

A slight LOL @ the Stros who probably finally thought they'd be escaping Poo Holes in 2013 from him owning them and the whole Lidge thing.

beyond_the_arc · Post #131 » by **beyond_the_arc** » Fri Dec 9, 2011 12:45 am

Blow the budget to hell, sign Saito and AmRam to play 1st. Then stick Gamel in RF and trade Hart for salary relief to help the budget. Seriously, how much worse could Gamel be in RF compared to Hart?

Gomez/Morgan
Weeks
Braun
Ramirez
Gamel
Green
Lucroy
Gonzalez
Pitcher

Looks f'n sweet to me.

Kerb Hohl · Post #132 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Fri Dec 9, 2011 1:02 am

I'll take a quote from the Bucks board every time I talk about a tank move in regards to Gamel going to RF and Aramis playing 1st.

"They're just not going to do that, so don't bother suggesting it."

Kerb Hohl · Post #133 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Fri Dec 9, 2011 1:48 am

Mr. Classy wrote:"People from other teams want to play in St. Louis and they're jealous that we're in St. Louis because the fans are unbelievable. So why would you want to leave a place like St. Louis to go somewhere else and make $3 or $4 more million a year? It's not about the money. I already got my money. It's about winning and that's it. It's about accomplishing my goal and my goal is to try to win.

http://deadspin.com/5866517/a-little-pujols-math-to-infuriate-cardinals-fans

NeedsMoreCheese · Post #134 » by **NeedsMoreCheese** » Fri Dec 9, 2011 3:11 am

MickeyDavis wrote:Headline on the St. Louis papers website: "Pujols Turns His Backne on St. Louis".

They should have gone with that instead.

Aaron It Out · Post #135 » by **Aaron It Out** » Fri Dec 9, 2011 3:34 am

GrendonJennings wrote:I'll take a quote from the Bucks board every time I talk about a tank move in regards to Gamel going to RF and Aramis playing 1st.

"They're just not going to do that, so don't bother suggesting it."

I am seriously considering sigging this.

Post #136 » by **paulpressey25** » Fri Dec 9, 2011 4:34 am

beyond_the_arc wrote:Blow the budget to hell, sign Saito and AmRam to play 1st.

I think we all like this plan.

How much though do we really blow the budget? $15 million over for one year? I'd be stunned if Attanasio couldn't afford to cash flow that one.

Kerb Hohl · Post #137 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Fri Dec 9, 2011 5:07 am

paulpressey25 wrote:
beyond_the_arc wrote:Blow the budget to hell, sign Saito and AmRam to play 1st.

I think we all like this plan.

How much though do we really blow the budget? $15 million over for one year? I'd be stunned if Attanasio couldn't afford to cash flow that one.

I'm not optimistic about it, but it's an interesting thought. The division is there for the taking.

Mark A can go way over this year and if they can retain both Gamel and Green, those guys would HAVE to start in 2013 (one already would be). Or hell, if they one of them, fine.

I guess the idea is while you're getting the standard "well we don't have as much off the books as you think with arby raises!" line, we are going to have a lot of flexibility around the corner. Obviously K-Rod is gone. Hart in his last year. Wolf's deal ends. Greinke/Marcum's deals are up. Yovani (sadly) is getting somewhat near the end of his by then.

So I guess it's a thought. I don't think it's going to happen, but maybe Mark A does it.

El Duderino · Post #138 » by **El Duderino** » Fri Dec 9, 2011 5:39 am

GrendonJennings wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:
beyond_the_arc wrote:Blow the budget to hell, sign Saito and AmRam to play 1st.

I think we all like this plan.

How much though do we really blow the budget? $15 million over for one year? I'd be stunned if Attanasio couldn't afford to cash flow that one.

I'm not optimistic about it, but it's an interesting thought. The division is there for the taking.

Mark A can go way over this year and if they can retain both Gamel and Green, those guys would HAVE to start in 2013 (one already would be). Or hell, if they one of them, fine.

I guess the idea is while you're getting the standard "well we don't have as much off the books as you think with arby raises!" line, we are going to have a lot of flexibility around the corner. Obviously K-Rod is gone. Hart in his last year. Wolf's deal ends. Greinke/Marcum's deals are up. Yovani (sadly) is getting somewhat near the end of his by then.

So I guess it's a thought. I don't think it's going to happen, but maybe Mark A does it.

I really like Attanasio, but one minor issue i have with him is the media often plays out the message that he isn't making any money off the team and i just don't buy it. He's been paying off big chunks of debt each year out of team revenues that is basically the same as money in his pocket whenever he does sell the team.

FWIW, i don't begrudge Attanasio for making some money off the team. He's been a great owner overall and unlike some other owners who get a big chunk of revenue sharing money, he actually spends it on the team instead of just pocketing the money.

My only point is that when he said last year that he could end up losing a bit of money, i think that's after accounting ways that don't tell the full story. So if the team were to sign Aramis Ramirez and keep K-Rod, i'll be skeptical if then Attanasio tried acting like he'd end up losing many millions next year.

Kerb Hohl · Post #139 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Fri Dec 9, 2011 6:01 am

Yeah, almost any owner is going to play the "woah is me, I'm trying to put money out there for you" card. There is plenty of money being made.

El Duderino · Post #140 » by **El Duderino** » Fri Dec 9, 2011 6:19 am

On Brewerfan there used to be a poster named foamboy who had inside knowledge of finances.

He laid out various details about how Attanasio was actually making money on the Brewers with the "books" showing him coming out roughly even each year. I forget all the details now, but one big factor was the sizable amount of debt that Attanasio was able to pay off each year out of team revenues. That "team debt" basically being Attanasio debt given he owns the team and the less debt means more money in his pocket whenever he sold the team.

So let's say for pretend that he's paid off 25-40 million in debt since owning the team, that's 25-40 more millions in his pocket whenever the team is sold. There were also other ways that foamboy explained that Attanasio was making money.

Again, i don't begrudge Mark for making money because he's been a great owner, but carrying say a 100 million dollar payroll this year would hardly kill him financially.