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51X3RF4N · Post #161 » by **51X3RF4N** » Fri Dec 9, 2011 5:16 am

Sorry but D12 will be a Laker with CP3 by Christmas. We won't be luring him anywhere.

I'm just so sick of this team it disgusts me. I like Jrue, and that's about it. I don't think anyone else on the team is going to be on this team in 5 years, nor do I think they should. I'm not a fan of signing Thad to a long term, expensive deal. I want nothing to do with Brand. I couldn't care less if Jodie Meeks was cut tomorrow. I don't want to see hairlip Lou Will chucking up shots any more. There's nothing to be excited about. Iggy is great and all, but he's a 3rd option on a contender and is vastly overpaid. Turner has yet to blossom and I don't really think he has what it takes to be "the guy".

Jrue is going to be a very good PG, but with the numerous extremely talented PG's right now in the league, and more to come in the next 3 years from NCAA, I don't see him being a stand out star. I'd still keep him though, if I had to choose 1 Sixers to build around.

I have never been in a situation where I'm a fan of a team but hate all the current players, and don't get excited to watch them, and they don't win games, and it seems futile. Maybe my fan-dome is decreasing rapidly because of all those factors, but I never thought I'd be less of a Sixers fan.

That's why I'm pushing for massive change. Shake it up, get new talent, make bold moves. Bring excitement back! Sorry for the rant, but does anyone else share my feelings?

jakej26 · Post #162 » by **jakej26** » Fri Dec 9, 2011 5:21 am

I wish we could somehow swap picks with a bad team. Then we could still try to compete and show Dwight our worth, but let another team do the tanking for us in the draft.
Amnesty Brand after the season.
Jrue-Turner-Iggy-Top 5 pick-Howard
Too good to be true i guess. and getting a 2012 lottery pick would likely involve iggy anyways

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #163 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Fri Dec 9, 2011 5:29 am

We haven't even played a game yet and people here want to blow up the team. Atleast the NBA is back! I had forgotten how negative this board can be.

Post #164 » by **Sixerscan** » Fri Dec 9, 2011 5:38 am

jakej26 wrote:I wish we could somehow swap picks with a bad team. Then we could still try to compete and show Dwight our worth, but let another team do the tanking for us in the draft.
Amnesty Brand after the season.
Jrue-Turner-Iggy-Top 5 pick-Howard
Too good to be true i guess. and getting a 2012 lottery pick would likely involve iggy anyways

Jrue/Turner/Dre/Howard with some scrub PF plus Lou and Thad off the bench would be a FInals contender. You could get some Matt Bonner type to come make it rain. With Turner and Iguodala not to mention Howard you could get away with a weak rebounder.

If we got Howard, I don't think anyone would complain if our power forward sucks.

Our only shot at convincing someone like Dwight to come is to make noise in the playoffs this year. If Turner and Holiday are the hottest young backcourt around that's a big pull.

Sixersftw · Post #165 » by **Sixersftw** » Fri Dec 9, 2011 5:48 am

Sixerscan wrote:Jrue/Turner/Dre/Howard with some scrub PF plus Lou and Thad off the bench would be a FInals contender. You could get some Matt Bonner type to come make it rain. With Turner and Iguodala you could get away with a weak rebounder.

If we got Howard, I don't think anyone would complain if our power forward sucks.

someone like Bonner would be fine. We would be the best defensive team in the league by a mile if I was playing PF. Since Dwight clearly notices Iguodala it's nice to actually dream about him bringing in the big man. Imagine the Oops that would be getting chucked around w/ that lineup?

P2K · Post #166 » by **P2K** » Fri Dec 9, 2011 5:51 am

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:We haven't even played a game yet and people here want to blow up the team. Atleast the NBA is back! I had forgotten how negative this board can be.

I sure haven't forgotten how incredibly naive some of you can be. This is a team with a handful of young assets, none being of superstar nor solid star potential, that will perrenially compete for the 7-8 spot in the conference...

...and I'm supposed to be content with that?

How dare you lol

jdimaggio555 · Post #167 » by **jdimaggio555** » Fri Dec 9, 2011 6:54 pm

Sixerfan,

Will the sixers still try to sign Kwame even after resigning Battie?

Mahorn at the 4 · Post #168 » by **Mahorn at the 4** » Fri Dec 9, 2011 7:04 pm

6ers close on Young, as per Fagan on Twitter. Expected in camp "soon". FWIW

bebopdeluxe · Post #169 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:12 am

Skates wrote:I can see management taking this season to see what they need to see about Turner and Holiday's potential, and Vucevic and Brackins to a lesser extent. If no big moves are made now, I think they will be next summer. These owners will make a splash, it just may not be right away.

Agreed. The only way they use the amnesty clause now is if they think they can get a big who can move the needle with the money that Nocioni would provide. If not, better to wait until next summer to see if Brand is shot, and use the chit then.

Samson · Post #170 » by **Samson** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:54 am

Hi bebop deluxe long time no see !!!!!!!!

freshie2 · Post #171 » by **freshie2** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:08 pm

They have some pieces to make a least a moderate move...expiring Nocioni, Speights, Hawes, Meeks...possibly throw in Vucevic or Lou or Brand or Iguodala. A move still may be made this season, and possiby sooner rather than later. If ET looks good (as is rumored) it gives them a ton of flexibility in what they can give up.

Mahorn at the 4 · Post #172 » by **Mahorn at the 4** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:30 pm

If Jermaine O'Neal & Avery Bradley can bring in a David West, then shouldn't Nocioni, Speights, Lou, etc bring a nice piece? Just a for instance - Dalembert.

Houston is willing to move Martin. Get in on this somehow. Move Iggy, get Martin.

Add a solid C & a K Martin to this group.

Jrue
Martin
Turner
Brand
Dalembert- or another solid 5

Bench- Young, Lou, Hawes, Vucevic, Meeks

The bench, like last yr, is still potent.

51X3RF4N · Post #173 » by **51X3RF4N** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:00 pm

And the roster above is a 45 win team at best. Even supposing they are a 55 win team and take the 3-4 seed in the East, does it really matter when the competition of super teams will beat them 4-0 in a second round playoff series??

What does that accomplish? And don't give me the "it's good experience for the players" BS. Half of those players won't be on that team when the chance to make a run at a dynasty is open.

So I guess the plan now is put together a team of mediocre players and old big men, in the hopes that they "sneak one by" the Miami/NYK's of the world.

bebopdeluxe · Post #174 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:21 am

Samson wrote:Hi bebop deluxe long time no see !!!!!!!!

Thanks, bro...I am actually pretty excited to get going here...here's hoping that DC is right about Vucevic...if he is legit, it could be a fun spring.

76ciology · Post #175 » by **76ciology** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:57 am

51X3RF4N wrote:
So I guess the plan now is put together a team of mediocre players and old big men, in the hopes that they "sneak one by" the Miami/NYK's of the world.

No.

IMO, this team has one blueprint ever since. And it is to find a franchise player, not via draft, but by via FA. That's why we don't tank. That's why we keep on trying to make a fool of ourselves in the play-offs.

Take a look at how this team is being built. We've been collecting mediocre, but championship caliber, players ever since AI left. Our game plan was to project a competitive image and hopefully lure a max FA via Philly's relatively large market, cap space and winning/competitive image.

We took a big risk when we signed EB42 and Iggy with their long term and expensive contract. On paper, we looked like a championship caliber team back then. Andre Miller WAS one of the top PGs. Iguodala and Thad were promising at the SG/SF. EB42 was supposedly be a 20-10-2 type player then we have Dalembert who, on paper, seems like the type of C who can anchor the paint.

But things didn't go as what we have planned, Iggy and Thad didn't lived up to our expectations. EB42 was injured and never became the 20-10-2 player we expected. Dalembert never improved his basketball IQ.

Now with EB42 and Iggy's contract about to expire, we are now again in the brink of making a big splurge at the FA market. We now have the tools to lure big time FA with our promising roster, cap space via amnesty,new supportive owner, and we are now one of the few teams with relatively big market that will have cap space.

And here are quotes to back it up:

"@tmoorepburbs: #Sixers Collins: 'Our owners are incredibly competitive. I expect (eventually) we’re going to be in the race for some of those (top) guys. '"

"Serious question to my Twitter GM's:" Aron asked his 4,285 followers, "how u making your proposed [Sixers] big player moves with little cap room? How u threading that needle?"

He then followed up with, "It's far more than about money or being energetic. There's a secret of what's really needed to SUCCEED in luring more stars to [ the Sixers.] … We need a strategy that gives [the Sixers] more SWAGGER and more pride. We will make 76ers a team star players want to join. How? Treat [the Sixers] players well, improve practice facility, play in full arena, win more, play up rich 76ers heritage, be committed owners."

If we missed out D12 on 2012. We still have our chances on Kevin Love (there were rumors of him not resigning), Blake Griffin (plays for the Clipps and they are now about to lose DeAndre), and probably Bynum.

And if we don't end up with either one of these big time FA's I think we'd eventually be a lotto team by 2013 and 2014, with the departure of Iggy and EB42.

sixerfan1976 · Post #176 » by **sixerfan1976** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:36 pm

I think they are done after they move speights for a basically nothing(a 2nd rounder).

They want to get a max free agent next year with cap space obtained if they amnesty Brand then and the contracts of Nocioni and Hawes are off the books.

They like Xavier Silas alot and he could be the 14th guy on the roster. Gives them a little more depth at guard.

Unfortunately Hawes will be starting but I think the plan is Vucevic will be the backup center and get decent minutes(although early in the year, Battie may get some of those minutes if they dont want to rush Vucevic). He seems to handle himself pretty well though for a rookie. More like a seasoned vet with him being a 4 year starter and playing overseas during lockout.

Also, evidently not a lock that Eric Snow is back on the commentary with Zumoff. Dont know anything more than that tho.

Tony Franciosa · Post #177 » by **Tony Franciosa** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:46 pm

Don't mind them replacing Snow - he wasn't very good last year. I totally forgot he fell asleep during one of the broadcasts.

76erStu · Post #178 » by **76erStu** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:48 pm

any noise on which FA they would target for a max deal?

Newbie Jrubie · Post #179 » by **Newbie Jrubie** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:56 pm

76ciology wrote:
51X3RF4N wrote:
So I guess the plan now is put together a team of mediocre players and old big men, in the hopes that they "sneak one by" the Miami/NYK's of the world.

No.

IMO, this team has one blueprint ever since. And it is to find a franchise player, not via draft, but by via FA. That's why we don't tank. That's why we keep on trying to make a fool of ourselves in the play-offs.

Take a look at how this team is being built. We've been collecting mediocre, but championship caliber, players ever since AI left. Our game plan was to project a competitive image and hopefully lure a max FA via Philly's relatively large market, cap space and winning/competitive image.

We took a big risk when we signed EB42 and Iggy with their long term and expensive contract. On paper, we looked like a championship caliber team back then. Andre Miller WAS one of the top PGs. Iguodala and Thad were promising at the SG/SF. EB42 was supposedly be a 20-10-2 type player then we have Dalembert who, on paper, seems like the type of C who can anchor the paint.

But things didn't go as what we have planned, Iggy and Thad didn't lived up to our expectations. EB42 was injured and never became the 20-10-2 player we expected. Dalembert never improved his basketball IQ.

Now with EB42 and Iggy's contract about to expire, we are now again in the brink of making a big splurge at the FA market. We now have the tools to lure big time FA with our promising roster, cap space via amnesty,new supportive owner, and we are now one of the few teams with relatively big market that will have cap space.

And here are quotes to back it up:
"@tmoorepburbs: #Sixers Collins: 'Our owners are incredibly competitive. I expect (eventually) we’re going to be in the race for some of those (top) guys. '"

"Serious question to my Twitter GM's:" Aron asked his 4,285 followers, "how u making your proposed [Sixers] big player moves with little cap room? How u threading that needle?"

He then followed up with, "It's far more than about money or being energetic. There's a secret of what's really needed to SUCCEED in luring more stars to [ the Sixers.] … We need a strategy that gives [the Sixers] more SWAGGER and more pride. We will make 76ers a team star players want to join. How? Treat [the Sixers] players well, improve practice facility, play in full arena, win more, play up rich 76ers heritage, be committed owners."

If we missed out D12 on 2012. We still have our chances on Kevin Love (there were rumors of him not resigning), Blake Griffin (plays for the Clipps and they are now about to lose DeAndre), and probably Bynum.

And if we don't end up with either one of these big time FA's I think we'd eventually be a lotto team by 2013 and 2014, with the departure of Iggy and EB42.

I am already assuming that they have no shot at signing Howard next year particularly if he gets traded this year and they lock him up before he hits free agency. As far as Love and Griffin go, they will be restricted free agents. Even though both play for poorly run organizations in Minnesota and the Clippers, I honestly don't see any way that both of their respective teams are dumb enough not to match any offer for their franchise players.

Also, the 2013 and 2014 drafts are likely to be far weaker drafts than this upcoming draft in 2012 that's why I would be quite disappointed if they didn't try to take advantage of it.

sixerfan1976 · Post #180 » by **sixerfan1976** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:59 pm

76erStu wrote:any noise on which FA they would target for a max deal?

too early to tell...could also be a trade for a existing contract for a team looking to move salary.

They think with short training camp, team continuity may get them some early season wins on road and then if they take care of business at home, they can get a 3-5ish seed in playoffs.

Sitting this offseason out it appears.