Bean Burrito / Nick Young Appreciation Thread.

[montestewart]

$40 million for Thornton?

Welp, this is where EG either earns his salary, or he doesn't. Sacramento's GM could have done with some patience. This might be where EG's experience and "deliberate" approach pays dividends.

It's not great, but in a season of low expectations, a Wall/Crawford/Watson/Mason/Mack backcourt may be what we end up seeing. Id' rather that than overpay Young, let some other team overpay in a panic. How close is the team to the minimum if he's not signed, and how many roster spots are left?

[tontoz]

4 years/$20 million or see what offers he gets and decides whether he will match or not or work out a sign and trade. Ernie's doing the right thing and not setting the market for Young, so he won't risk overpaying. Either way, Young needs to sign by the 26th so...he doesn't have much time.

The Hawks did that with Josh Smith. They basically didn't even negotiate with him. He eventually signed with Memphis just to force the Hawks to match. It was a reasonable deal for him but it did have a trade kicker.

[Rafael122]

The floor is $49 million right? We're at $41 million or close to it. Using Sham's salary index. You account for Vesely's salary, plus Singleton's that's probably $6 or $7 million right there, plus Roger Mason, and we're probably close to the cap floor.

[montestewart]

and Mack will likely be signed, especially if no Nick Young and the Watson has yet to be confirmed. Reggie Williams, if he could be gotten reasonably, would be more than fine with me. Don't want to see a repeat of Blatche.

[Dat2U]

Like fishercob said, don't forget that the Kings had to reach the cap floor, as they were way below it. They had to take that into consideration during the Thornton signing.

Garbage, this cap floor celing bs doesn't mean a thing. You can either go out and spend FA money OR they'll be a salary adjustment later in the year with the players already on the roster if your below the cap floor.

Nothing is forcing these owners to spend ridiculous amounts of money long term because they absolutely have to. It's simply not true.

[pcbothwel]

While Thorton played more minutes than NY. After he was traded to SAC he averaged more points, twice as many rebounds and three times as many assist while being near identical in FG%, 3PT%, and FT%. Add to the fact that he is two full years (24 compared to 26) younger than NY and I dont see how NY thinks he deserves 5/40. I think he looks for 5/35, we offer 4/20-23 and he signs an offer sheet for 4/26 and we have to make a decison then.

[mhd]

Thad Young signs 5 years, 42 million. Basically what Caron got when he was extended here when we first traded for him.

Again, Love Nick, but I would not want to give him that type of contract.

[nate33]

If the price is 5 years and $40 million, LET YOUNG DEPART. He's not worth that kind of money.

As Young's most consistent defender on these boards, I have to agree with this. Young isn't worth $8M a year. No way, no how.

The most I'd pay is $6M a year, and that's only if it's front-loaded so that future years are in the $4M range.

[Illuminaire]

Most teams would rather pay that money and have another player, than to just pay more to the ones they already have.

I agree the contract is ridiculous and they had other options, but just pointing out the other side of the equation, Dat.

[mhd]

Thorton's deal is 4 years, 33 million. Better for Sac b/c they likely won't sign FAs, so the less year is a good aspect. However, Jimmer and Evans need PT. I guess the Kings figure Thorton is the new Jet Terry.

[Dat2U]

Most teams would rather pay that money and have another player, than to just pay more to the ones they already have.

I agree the contract is ridiculous and they had other options, but just pointing out the other side of the equation, Dat.

Yeah, but I wanted to just clear up the fallacy about teams being forced to spend long term dollars to get up to the cap floor.

[tontoz]

I don't like 5 year guaranteed deals in general unless a player is a legit start or close to it. Nick obviously isn't there.

If there were team options in years 4 and 5 then i would consider $25 million. Or if there was a front loaded deal as nate has been pushing.

[MF23]

Above 6mil per is too much for Young. The only way I'd make a more substantial offer is if it was for less than 5 years. 3yrs 20mil or 4yrs 26 mil is about the limit I'd go.

Edit: I see DA's saying Thorton got 33 mil for 4yrs. O.k. that's a little better and sets a market for Nick Young.

[hands11]

If the price is 5 years and $40 million, LET YOUNG DEPART. He's not worth that kind of money.

As Young's most consistent defender on these boards, I have to agree with this. Young isn't worth $8M a year. No way, no how.

The most I'd pay is $6M a year, and that's only if it's front-loaded so that future years are in the $4M range.

I believe this is about where EG is on the issue. Maybe just a little over 6 over 3 years with an option.

So I would agree with everything here. Including me be Nicks most consistent defender.

[fishercob]

Like fishercob said, don't forget that the Kings had to reach the cap floor, as they were way below it. They had to take that into consideration during the Thornton signing.

Garbage, this cap floor celing bs doesn't mean a thing. You can either go out and spend FA money OR they'll be a salary adjustment later in the year with the players already on the roster if your below the cap floor.

Nothing is forcing these owners to spend ridiculous amounts of money long term because they absolutely have to. It's simply not true.

You're pissy tonight!

[Dat2U]

Like fishercob said, don't forget that the Kings had to reach the cap floor, as they were way below it. They had to take that into consideration during the Thornton signing.

Garbage, this cap floor celing bs doesn't mean a thing. You can either go out and spend FA money OR they'll be a salary adjustment later in the year with the players already on the roster if your below the cap floor.

Nothing is forcing these owners to spend ridiculous amounts of money long term because they absolutely have to. It's simply not true.

You're pissy tonight!

Haha! Sorry. I got women problems and I'm stuck working on a on Friday night. I'm taking it out in my posts. My bad bro.

[hands11]

Update: Two of Young’s potential suitors have probably been eliminated with the Phoenix Suns agreeing to terms with Shannon Brown (one-year, $3.5 million) and the Sacramento Kings reportedly retaining restricted free agent Marcus Thornton (five-years, $40 million).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... _blog.html

[fishercob]

No worries man. I hope it gets better. This is when it's good to have CCJ on speed dial

[willbcocks]

I'm starting to get worried about NY. This is the last bullet to dodge. Don't overpay, don't overpay, knocking on wood!

[miller31time]

I just don't see why we'd overpay for Young when (A) there aren't many potential suitors and (B) we have Jordan Crawford as a guy who's more than capable of stepping in at 2-guard.