OT: If Jays were to pursue Hanley...?

[Raptors Realtor]

With rumors swirling that Hanley's not happy with the recent acquisition of Reyes, and the Marlins beginning to gauge interest... What kind of package would we have to put together to get this former Rookie of the Year and 3 time All Star?

...yes, I do realize that AA probably won't even make a call to inquire, and that we as a fanbase may have little interest because it's a business that is based on what have you done for me lately, and last season was one of his worst, but at the end of the day he's an elite 5-tool player, a top-5 player since coming into the league, a 3 time All Star, and former rookie of the year...

...still need convincing... the winter meetings are over, and the currently most active topic on the forum is the possibility of signing Fielder?

http://baseball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/28436/20111210/marlins_getting_feel_for_interest_in_hanley/

[flatjacket1]

Two words: Yunel, Johnson

Its useless trying to acquire players at positions we are already good at. It would also cost a heck of a lot of prospects, overall is just a bad idea.

I bet AA will call by the way... He talks to every FA and every GM about their players just to see if he can get a steal or if they overvalue a Jay/undervalue one of their own. I'm not sure why you said he wouldn't call.

[hyper316]

maybe the jays could join in a 3-way trade to help facilitate and get something good from it.

[Raptors Realtor]

Two words: Yunel, Johnson

Its useless trying to acquire players at positions we are already good at. It would also cost a heck of a lot of prospects, overall is just a bad idea.

I bet AA will call by the way... He talks to every FA and every GM about their players just to see if he can get a steal or if they overvalue a Jay/undervalue one of their own. I'm not sure why you said he wouldn't call.

I realize we have Yunel, Johnson and Hech and I threw in the "AA probably won't even inquire" bit because I don't want to come off as delusional. I do realize that AA inquires about every player on every team, and I realize it wouldn't make a lot of sense to go after Hanley with our depth in those positions. However Hanley has proven to be a top 5 player, who seems to be somewhat available at the right price... and we have a forum that is discussing a week old rumor about the possibility of signing Fielder, which I still hope happens, but I think it would be interesting to speculate on the package it would take to acquire Hanley, if for nothing else than to spice up the topic options in the forum?

[xAIRNESSx]

Mabye trade them Yunel and they can move him to second? Add in Drabek and someone else.

I can dream.

[vaff87]

Why the hell would you want that guy anyway? He's proven in recent times that he's one of the most selfish, me-first players in baseball.

[kelso]

Two words: Yunel, Johnson

Its useless trying to acquire players at positions we are already good at. It would also cost a heck of a lot of prospects, overall is just a bad idea.

I bet AA will call by the way... He talks to every FA and every GM about their players just to see if he can get a steal or if they overvalue a Jay/undervalue one of their own. I'm not sure why you said he wouldn't call.

Yunel and Johnson are 5 levels of stratosphere beneath the likes of Hanley Ramirez. Aside from last year, this guy was is a 5-tool all star in the prime of his career. You don`t not-get Hanley Ramirez because you have Yunel and Johnson. Johnson is a plug anyways.

[LBJSeizedMyID]

Hanley has been on the decline the last two years. You're overvaluing him. He's a potential 25/20 guy yes, but his defense isn't that good. Yunel has shown to be an OBP machine and a much better defender.

[Raptors Realtor]

Hanley has been on the decline the last two years. You're overvaluing him. He's a potential 25/20 guy yes, but his defense isn't that good. Yunel has shown to be an OBP machine and a much better defender.

The last 2 years? This past year... yes, but he was injured and only played in 92 games. The season before he hit .300 with 21HR, 92R, 76RBI and 32sb in 142 games.

...You can be sure the Yanks and Red Sox will put together an offer, with the Yanks looking for somebody to supersede Jeter, and the BoSox have long been interested in Hanley.

[Skin Blues]

Yunel is too important to move for Hanley. Don't mess with a good thing. They should avoid the situation because the last thing we need is an unhappy player coming in and making other players unhappy and wanting a different position to play. And take a guess who has a higher WAR the past 2 seasons combined, Yunel or Hanley. Even on a per game basis they're within 5% of each other, if you ignore the fact that Hanley has missed time with a bum shoulder which is still a concern. His .400 wOBA days seem to be behind him, he's not very gruntled, and he can't stay healthy. Let him be somebody else's problem.

And you'd have to be insane to trade Yunel for Hanley straight up. Hanley is barely better, and makes $46M over 3 years while Yunel makes $20M over 4 years. You don't trade away a player like that. He's up there with Bautista and Lawrie as cornerstones of the team.

[flatjacket1]

Yunel and Johnson are 5 levels of stratosphere beneath the likes of Hanley Ramirez. Aside from last year, this guy was is a 5-tool all star in the prime of his career. You don`t not-get Hanley Ramirez because you have Yunel and Johnson. Johnson is a plug anyways.

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphsw.aspx?p ... ,8001,2234

You are right that Hanley is better, but its not worth losing a bunch of prospects to get a guy who would either have to switch to a new position or perform a couple WAR better than our existing player.

I would rather see us blow prospects on a good pitcher.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Two words: Yunel, Johnson

Its useless trying to acquire players at positions we are already good at. It would also cost a heck of a lot of prospects, overall is just a bad idea.

I bet AA will call by the way... He talks to every FA and every GM about their players just to see if he can get a steal or if they overvalue a Jay/undervalue one of their own. I'm not sure why you said he wouldn't call.

People may agree that I am not the best baseball fan but Hanley Ramirez is a legit all-star talent. He's easily better then Johnson and Yunel and if all it were to cost is Drabek and say Yunel I do that move 10x out of 10. To say that it's useless to acquire him cause we have Johnson and Yunel is asinine. I mean what next it would be stupid to acquire Matt Kemp cause we have Colby Rasmus at CF

[Michael Bradley]

Trade for him and then convince him to move to the outfield or (if he can handle it) second base. His defense at short is not as good as Escobar's and he will likely have to move out of SS long-term anyway. His bat can still play at just about any other position, assuming he goes back to pre-2011 form.

I'd move talent for him. He is a star offensive talent at his lowest value. In fact, if he is in fact available, this has AA written all over it. You know how much he will make for the next three years (cost certainty) and he is being traded for reasons unrelated to talent. Same reason Rasmus and Escobar were attainable. If you could move Snider+ for him and then somehow (easier said than done) convince him of a long-term move to LF, then you have a lineup with Bautista, Hanley, Lawrie, Escobar, KJ, Rasmus, and Arencibia. Even if you get league average production out of Lind and EE at 1B and DH respectively, that is a potentially elite lineup if everyone plays to their potential.

But I would not acquire Ramirez with the intent of putting him at short. If the Jays didnt have Escobar then it would be a no brainer, but Yunel is a 4.0+ WAR short-stop already. If you can do a Soriano like position change for Hanley, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I still believe in his bat. Don't care about his attitude, if anything, just more swag to add to the club.

[Al_Oliver]

I'd move talent for him. He is a star offensive talent at his lowest value. In fact, if he is in fact available, this has AA written all over it. You know how much he will make for the next three years (cost certainty) and he is being traded for reasons unrelated to talent. Same reason Rasmus and Escobar were attainable. If you could move Snider+ for him and then somehow (easier said than done) convince him of a long-term move to LF, then you have a lineup with Bautista, Hanley, Lawrie, Escobar, KJ, Rasmus, and Arencibia. Even if you get league average production out of Lind and EE at 1B and DH respectively, that is a potentially elite lineup if everyone plays to their potential.

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[Parataxis]

With rumors swirling that Hanley's not happy with the recent acquisition of Reyes, and the Marlins beginning to gauge interest... What kind of package would we have to put together to get this former Rookie of the Year and 3 time All Star?

...yes, I do realize that AA probably won't even make a call to inquire,

Actually, Hanley is exactly the sort of player that AA would inquire about. He's got great fundamentals, and is in a buy-low position right now - coming off a bad year and just being replaced.

[Strav]

Yunel is too important to move for Hanley. Don't mess with a good thing. They should avoid the situation because the last thing we need is an unhappy player coming in and making other players unhappy and wanting a different position to play. And take a guess who has a higher WAR the past 2 seasons combined, Yunel or Hanley. Even on a per game basis they're within 5% of each other, if you ignore the fact that Hanley has missed time with a bum shoulder which is still a concern. His .400 wOBA days seem to be behind him, he's not very gruntled, and he can't stay healthy. Let him be somebody else's problem.

And you'd have to be insane to trade Yunel for Hanley straight up. Hanley is barely better, and makes $46M over 3 years while Yunel makes $20M over 4 years. You don't trade away a player like that. He's up there with Bautista and Lawrie as cornerstones of the team.

Agree. I also think you'd be upsetting team cohesion as well, particularly -> Yunel/Jose/Edwin

Isn't Hanley's shoulder pretty messed up? I prefer Yunel and his contract.

[LBJSeizedMyID]

Hanley has been on the decline the last two years. You're overvaluing him. He's a potential 25/20 guy yes, but his defense isn't that good. Yunel has shown to be an OBP machine and a much better defender.

The last 2 years? This past year... yes, but he was injured and only played in 92 games. The season before he hit .300 with 21HR, 92R, 76RBI and 32sb in 142 games.

...You can be sure the Yanks and Red Sox will put together an offer, with the Yanks looking for somebody to supersede Jeter, and the BoSox have long been interested in Hanley.

Of course the Red Sox would be interested. He's clearly an upgrade over Scutaro. Hanley is still a solid player, but he hits too many groundballs to be considered a 30 homerun threat again. Of course with a couple tweaks to his swing he could become that guy again, but regardless, the Jays aren't a good match for the Marlins unless you give up another starter. They're not after prospects based on their movement.

[Raps in 4]

Two words: Yunel, Johnson

Its useless trying to acquire players at positions we are already good at. It would also cost a heck of a lot of prospects, overall is just a bad idea.

I bet AA will call by the way... He talks to every FA and every GM about their players just to see if he can get a steal or if they overvalue a Jay/undervalue one of their own. I'm not sure why you said he wouldn't call.

5 words: Hanley is better than both.

[flatjacket1]

5 words: Hanley is better than both.

Its the equivalent of trading for Howie Kendrick if your NYY. Its pointless. Selling the farm for a relatively small increase in productivity is pointless.

We have a few holes right now, it makes more sense to trade prospects to fill them rather than look to our stronger positions and try and stack them. Escobar is elite talent and KJ has been productive.

[lilneige]

Hanley is a cancer in the locker room.