Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Pt IV Mods Close)

magicman123 · Post #201 » by **magicman123** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:01 pm

Nemesis21 wrote:ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Suns-Raptors Pietrus trade is off. Agent said Pietrus will return to Phoenix for rehab on his knee

at least the raptors are more dysfunctional than us

MitchellUK · Post #202 » by **MitchellUK** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:01 pm

Mannchild wrote:Ok so if they will have about 15 mil to offer Dwight that is how much less than we can offer? and is that figure taking in consideration Nene's contract figure next year or this year? because the contract usually goes up in price each year

They can offer him 4.5% annual raises over 4 years, and assuming it does start at $15m,

$15m, $15.7, $16.4, $17.1 = $64.2m over 4 years (and he'd be getting paid less than Nene).

We can offer him $110m over 5 years. It's quite a difference.

rcklsscognition · Post #203 » by **rcklsscognition** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:02 pm

Mannchild wrote:Ok so if they will have about 15 mil to offer Dwight that is how much less than we can offer? and is that figure taking in consideration Nene's contract figure next year or this year? because the contract usually goes up in price each year

We can offer 110 mil over 5 years, 7.5% increases every year. So that's appx:

Yr 1- 19,000,000
Yr 2- 20,300,000
Yr 3- 21,850,000
Yr 4- 23,500,000
Yr 5- 25,350,000

Tax free.

Nemesis21 · Post #204 » by **Nemesis21** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:02 pm

arsenal6106 wrote:
Nemesis21 wrote:BrandonMellor Brandon Mellor
Looks like former @FSU_MBasketball player Von Wafer has been traded to the Magic by the Celtics as part of Brandon Bass-Glen Davis deal.

So Wafer was part of the BBD/Bass trade ?

Yes...I feel like quite a few posters aren't aware of that b/c Vafer's signing came like 5 hours after the BBD trade.

I thought it was separate.

rcklsscognition · Post #205 » by **rcklsscognition** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:03 pm

But if we trade him, he can make the same 110 mil with whatever team he goes to. That is our leverage.

backasswards · Post #206 » by **backasswards** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:03 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:
Mannchild wrote:Ok so if they will have about 15 mil to offer Dwight that is how much less than we can offer? and is that figure taking in consideration Nene's contract figure next year or this year? because the contract usually goes up in price each year

We can offer 110 mil over 5 years, 7.5% increases every year. So that's appx:

Yr 1- 19,000,000
Yr 2- 20,300,000
Yr 3- 21,850,000
Yr 4- 23,500,000
Yr 5- 25,350,000

Tax free.

Also given the way Otis runs this team, it would also be championship free.

The-Dawson · Post #207 » by **The-Dawson** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:03 pm

I dont think he'll even sign with them if they had just D will and Nene

Now if the Magic traded for Iggy or Ellis and signed Crawford theres no way he would leave if he really cares about winnin

Jameer/Crawford
Iggy
Hedo
Big Baby
Dwight

Or
Jameer/Crawford
Ellis
Hedo
Big Baby
Dwight

rcklsscognition · Post #208 » by **rcklsscognition** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:03 pm

Nemesis21 wrote:
arsenal6106 wrote:
Nemesis21 wrote:BrandonMellor Brandon Mellor
Looks like former @FSU_MBasketball player Von Wafer has been traded to the Magic by the Celtics as part of Brandon Bass-Glen Davis deal.

So Wafer was part of the BBD/Bass trade ?

Yes...I feel like quite a few posters aren't aware of that b/c Vafer's signing came like 5 hours after the BBD trade.

I thought it was separate.

It was. TPE can not be used in a multi-player deals.

D12VCMagic · Post #209 » by **D12VCMagic** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:04 pm

Wafer and Davis were two seperate deals. We acquired Wafer with the Lewis TPE, which can't be combined with anything.

Orlando Prodigy · Post #210 » by **Orlando Prodigy** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:04 pm

What time is training camp today?

woosah · Post #211 » by **woosah** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:05 pm

Nemesis21 wrote:
arsenal6106 wrote:
Nemesis21 wrote:BrandonMellor Brandon Mellor
Looks like former @FSU_MBasketball player Von Wafer has been traded to the Magic by the Celtics as part of Brandon Bass-Glen Davis deal.

So Wafer was part of the BBD/Bass trade ?

Yes...I feel like quite a few posters aren't aware of that b/c Vafer's signing came like 5 hours after the BBD trade.

I thought it was separate.

There were different reports on the terms. I think Kyler said we used a 1.8 mil tpe from WAS in the gil trade, and another source said it was another tpe. Not really sure, but they said it was 3 yrs, last 2 were not guaranteed.

magicman123 · Post #212 » by **magicman123** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:06 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:But if we trade him, he can make the same 110 mil with whatever team he goes to. That is our leverage.

that's why you don't trade him, let dwight force his hand...lopez, bynum, marion or whatever isn't enough for me to trade dwight, we take the chance of losing him but he doesn't get his wish, and we can still sign lopez, bynum or whatever if dwight wants to take a huge paycut

Nemesis21 · Post #213 » by **Nemesis21** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:07 pm

Don't know if this would convince D12 to stay but, here's my thinking.

Pick up Billups, Re-sign J Rich, trade Nelson and Ryno for Iggy.

Billups/Du Du
J Rich/Redick/Liggins
Iggy/Hedo
BBD/Harper
Dwight/Clark/Orton

Yea/Nay ?

rcklsscognition · Post #214 » by **rcklsscognition** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:07 pm

woosah wrote: There were different reports on the terms. I think Kyler said we used a 1.8 mil tpe from WAS in the gil trade, and another source said it was another tpe. Not really sure, but they said it was 3 yrs, last 2 were not guaranteed.

I sent a message to Robbins and told him the small TPE we had was used for Wafer. He has since corrected the article.

magicman123 · Post #215 » by **magicman123** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:07 pm

D12VCMagic wrote:Wafer and Davis were two seperate deals. We acquired Wafer with the Lewis TPE, which can't be combined with anything.

same situation with brian cook and mo evans

Cammo101 · Post #216 » by **Cammo101** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:08 pm

I think we have learned that the league is still the same as before the lockout. The rich get richer, the others get effed, and Stern laughs all the way to the bank.

Nene is going to make 70 million over 4 years, yet Boston gets David West for a third of that. The Lakers turn Kwame into Gasol, Gasol into Paul, and I'm sure soon Paul into Michael Jordan Jr. The league owned team manages to trade both their all stars to their 2 biggest franchises.

And people wonder why I hate the NBA?

rcklsscognition · Post #217 » by **rcklsscognition** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:08 pm

magicman123 wrote:
D12VCMagic wrote:Wafer and Davis were two seperate deals. We acquired Wafer with the Lewis TPE, which can't be combined with anything.

same situation with brian cook and mo evans

and probably the same results

Rick Rolled · Post #218 » by **Rick Rolled** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:08 pm

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
For teams considering claim on Chauncey Billups, he tells Y!: "A leader can be as disruptive as he can be productive..This is about me now."

rcklsscognition · Post #219 » by **rcklsscognition** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:09 pm

Rick Rolled wrote:
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
For teams considering claim on Chauncey Billups, he tells Y!: "A leader can be as disruptive as he can be productive..This is about me now."

arsenal6106 · Post #220 » by **arsenal6106** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:09 pm

Yes...I feel like quite a few posters aren't aware of that b/c Vafer's signing came like 5 hours after the BBD trade.[/quote]

I thought it was separate.[/quote]

It was. TPE can not be used in a multi-player deals.[/quote]

Damn, my fault. He's right I was wrong.