The ***VALUE*** of a Gasol+Odom package!

[The_Trade_Seer]

Posters on the general board seem to have literally no clue as to the trade value of Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom and feel that we are offering "scraps" for CP3 ... the idiocy is amazing.

If the Hornets could literally get Pau, Odom, Caracter, Ebanks, the rights to Darius Morris (best pure passing PG in the 2011 draft) and $3mil cash for CP3, Okafor and Ariza that would be an INSANELY GREAT deal for the Hornets as they could easily move Odom and Pau in separate deals for evcer more later and would be clearing way over $50mil off their books over the next 3 years in dumping Okafor and Ariza.

Dell Demps of the Hornets could turn around and trade Odom and maybe a couple of 2nd round picks for Andre Igdoula (the 76'ers were interested in trading him for Odom and sorry Luke Walton last year and that was before they knew they could re-sign Thad Young).

They could then turn around and trade Pau Gasol to the Jazz for Al Jefferson or to the Bobcats for a nice young PG in DJ Augustin and the expiring contracts of Boris Diaw and Eduardo Najera, or to the Warriors for Monta Eliis and Andris Biedrins, or to the Pacers for a young PF/C combo in Hibbert and Hansborough and the expiring contract of James Posey, or to the Raptors for a nice young PG/PF combo in Jerryd Bayless and Ed Davis and the expiring contract of Leandro Barbosa, etc.

I know every NBA GM is not as smart as me and can't come up with the above trades as quick as I can, but come on, the Hornets could make out like bandits in this deal.

Would anyone be complaining in the Lakers were offering to take back the bad contracts of Okafor and Ariza along with CP3 while the Hornets would get a package of:

Andre Igdoula, Monta Ellis, Andris Biedrins, Caracter, Ebanks, the rights to Darius Morris (best pure passing PG in the 2011 draft) and $3mil cash

or

Iggy, Al Jefferson, Caracter, Ebanks, the rights to Darius Morris (best pure passing PG in the 2011 draft) and $3mil cash

or

Iggy, Hibbert, Hansbourough, the expiring contract of Posey, Caracter, Ebanks, the rights to Darius Morris (best pure passing PG in the 2011 draft) and $3mil cash

or

Iggy, Bayless, Davis, the expiring contract of Barbosa, Caracter, Ebanks, the rights to Darius Morris (best pure passing PG in the 2011 draft) and $3mil cash

NO, NO ONE WOULD BE COMPLAINING ... but what people don't realize is that what a Pau+Odom deal can get you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RiversideClips]

I think you make some great points as a "Package," the problem w/ the original Trade was the Laker's were getting CP3,Cap relief,the MLE of about 12 million, the 1st Round pick and all they were giving up was 2 aging All-Stars from a team owned by the 29 League Owners.
When Gasol was traded from Memphis, many folks cried that Jerry West had given Pau to the Lakers b/c West was a Laker; absolutely rubbish. Baby Gasol has turned into a great Center & I am sure Memphis is happy w/ the trade.
As a Clipper fan, I think its great that CP3 is coming to L.A. (I wish it was for the Clips, but its not) and I think it will add fuel that NBA West Basketball is the best. As a fan of the league, I just want to see all sides get fair market value, I think the "package" is about as fair as any team could/would offer.
I am not sold on Odom or Pau's Trade Valu, but then again my view is a little skewed b/c i root for the team next door.
Good Luck w/ the Pursuit of CP3 & hopefully he will be in your camp soon.

[The_Trade_Seer]

^ Nice post, however the Lakers were not getting a 1st round pick in the proposed trade ... the Rockets were sending their 1st from the Knicks to the Hornets ... also the Lakers were not in any real sense getting "cap relief" as CP3 is going to cost them much more than Pau and had they used the TPE it would cost them much more than Odom.

[semi-sentient]

The value of Gasol and Odom is highly dependent on what the other teams plans are. If you're rebuilding, Gasol has little value and Odom's only value is his team option. If you want to compete and have a few pieces in place, both Gasol and Odom are great pick ups.

For the Lakers, giving up both Gasal and Odom for Chris Paul is too high of a price to pay, but not because I see those two players for their trade value. We're giving up a big man combo that plays extremely well together and has been crucial to our success the past few seasons, and it leaves some glaring holes in our roster that can't be filled.

IMO, we should be going hard after Dwight Howard. I sincerely believe that Bynum + Odom + filler is enough to bring him here, and that means we basically have a massive upgrade at center while keeping the most skilled big in the league. Howard already wants to play here, with or without CP3. All we'd really need if we got him alone is a back up PF that's capable of giving us a solid 20-25 mpg and we'd be absolutely set.

We seem hell bent on getting CP3 though, so what we'll be looking at now is having to get a PF AND a back up C. I think it's a mistake, but I guess time will tell.

[The_Trade_Seer]

^Mitch is going after CP3 with the idea of getting D12 next ... if there was the thought we wouldn't get D12 I honestly don't think we'd be going after CP3 as you are 100% right ... the CP3 trade alone will greatly weaken the team.

[DEEP3CL]

Wow!.......AI-in-LA changes his name! Nice Post too, a little different than what you use to do. Any way to the topic, the ant brains on the GB don't realize what we were giving up. These are the same zombies who think we win games on luck or get players only as gifts.

In the end though, trading Odom,Pau or Drew will be a blow. But we have to get back Howard or CP in any deal regarding those 3. We'll see what happens.

[The_Trade_Seer]

^Thanks Deep ... I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on Dwight compared with Kareem at the same age ...

[Kilroy]

^Thanks Deep ... I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on Dwight compared with Kareem at the same age ...

I know you didn't ask me, but Kareem had fundamentals driven into him at UCLA by Wooden... He had all the tools that Dwight lacks before he even set foot on an NBA floor.
Kareem was way more skilled than Dwight, and add that to the greater length and it really isn't much of a comparison...

Dwight is 26 and put up 23 and 14 with 2 blocks...

Kareem was putting up 27 and 14.5 with almost 5 assists and 4 blocks... On a championship contender. He bumped up to 32 and 16 on 5ast in the playoffs too...
He was just a more complete player. 70% free throw shooter as well.

Dwight is more of a Bill Russel type player... But let's not get crazy there either.
Russel at 26 was putting up 17 and 24 on 3 assists and god knows how many blocks.

Dwight is a great player but his skill-set hasn't improved much over his career. It's not fair to compare him to the greatest right now, if ever.

[The_Trade_Seer]

I know you didn't ask me, but Kareem had fundamentals driven into him at UCLA by Wooden... He had all the tools that Dwight lacks before he even set foot on an NBA floor.
Kareem was way more skilled than Dwight, and add that to the greater length and it really isn't much of a comparison...

Dwight is 26 and put up 23 and 14 with 2 blocks...

Kareem was putting up 27 and 14.5 with almost 5 assists and 4 blocks... On a championship contender. He bumped up to 32 and 16 on 5ast in the playoffs too...
He was just a more complete player. 70% free throw shooter as well.

Dwight is more of a Bill Russel type player... But let's not get crazy there either.
Russel at 26 was putting up 17 and 24 on 3 assists and god knows how many blocks.

Dwight is a great player but his skill-set hasn't improved much over his career. It's not fair to compare him to the greatest right now, if ever.

Good answer and I certainly agree with the fact that Kareem was more skilled all-around, however don't get me started on Bill "I'm the exact same height and weight as tayshaun Prince" Russel ... comparing eras is troublesome and Dwight would have slaughtered Russel.

[Kilroy]

Good answer and I certainly agree with the fact that Kareem was more skilled all-around, however don't get me started on Bill "I'm the exact same height and weight as tayshaun Prince" Russel ... comparing eras is troublesome and Dwight would have slaughtered Russel.

Discounting Eras is a slippery slope... There are far too many variables to consider.

What would guys like Russel, Kareem and Wilt have done with the technology and resources today's players have available to them?

I agree though, there's no substitute for size and I've always felt Russel might be a little over-rated by today's standards... That said, the skills were there and who can really say what he'd do against today's competition?

I say, keep it simple and let the facts speak for themselves...

[The_Trade_Seer]

Discounting Eras is a slippery slope... There are far too many variables to consider.

What would guys like Russel, Kareem and Wilt have done with the technology and resources today's players have available to them?

I agree though, there's no substitute for size and I've always felt Russel might be a little over-rated by today's standards... That said, the skills were there and who can really say what he'd do against today's competition?

I say, keep it simple and let the facts speak for themselves...

I agree the era thing is a tough, tough argument and most folks like to just argue stats and the like ... however I'm pretty confident Dwight would have been a Chamberlain-esque freak back in Russel's day and that Russel would be little more than a rich man's Joel Anthony in todays NBA.

It's funny because people go nuts when I mention how much more dominant and how superior Elgin Baylor's stats were to Dr. Js but those same folks think I'm speaking blasphemy when I say Russel would be no big deal in today's game ... hilarious.

[The_Trade_Seer]

Discounting Eras is a slippery slope... There are far too many variables to consider.

What would guys like Russel, Kareem and Wilt have done with the technology and resources today's players have available to them?

I agree though, there's no substitute for size and I've always felt Russel might be a little over-rated by today's standards... That said, the skills were there and who can really say what he'd do against today's competition?

I say, keep it simple and let the facts speak for themselves...

I agree the era thing is a tough, tough argument and most folks like to just argue stats and the like ... however I'm pretty confident Dwight would have been a Chamberlain-esque freak back in Russel's day and that Russel would be little more than a rich man's Joel Anthony in todays NBA.

It's funny because people go nuts when I mention how much more dominant and how superior Elgin Baylor's stats were to Dr. Js but those same folks think I'm speaking blasphemy when I say Russel would be no big deal in today's game ... hilarious.

[The_Trade_Seer]

Discounting Eras is a slippery slope... There are far too many variables to consider.

What would guys like Russel, Kareem and Wilt have done with the technology and resources today's players have available to them?

I agree though, there's no substitute for size and I've always felt Russel might be a little over-rated by today's standards... That said, the skills were there and who can really say what he'd do against today's competition?

I say, keep it simple and let the facts speak for themselves...

I agree the era thing is a tough, tough argument and most folks like to just argue stats and the like ... however I'm pretty confident Dwight would have been a Chamberlain-esque freak back in Russel's day and that Russel would be little more than a rich man's Joel Anthony in todays NBA.

It's funny because people go nuts when I mention how much more dominant and how superior Elgin Baylor's stats were to Dr. Js but those same folks think I'm speaking blasphemy when I say Russel would be no big deal in today's game ... hilarious.

[The_Trade_Seer]

Discounting Eras is a slippery slope... There are far too many variables to consider.

What would guys like Russel, Kareem and Wilt have done with the technology and resources today's players have available to them?

I agree though, there's no substitute for size and I've always felt Russel might be a little over-rated by today's standards... That said, the skills were there and who can really say what he'd do against today's competition?

I say, keep it simple and let the facts speak for themselves...

I agree the era thing is a tough, tough argument and most folks like to just argue stats and the like ... however I'm pretty confident Dwight would have been a Chamberlain-esque freak back in Russel's day and that Russel would be little more than a rich man's Joel Anthony in todays NBA.

It's funny because people go nuts when I mention how much more dominant and how superior Elgin Baylor's stats were to Dr. Js but those same folks think I'm speaking blasphemy when I say Russel would be no big deal in today's game ... hilarious.

[bruddahmanmatt]

One click is enough.

[The_Trade_Seer]

whoa, that's weird ... I did only click it once ... strange

[MagnusPinus]

Apparently Odom's value is zero