Can we convince Dwight to force a trade to LA?

[LaLa]

That's strange, it stopped at 0:00 for me.

[TyCobb]

[Slava]

You go Riot!

[Jetset]

I've never cringed so hard.

But if we get him, we have you to thank.

[DEEP3CL]

1) Not that guy,
2) You obviously haven't been reading my posts.

I say Gasol is a great player, very often in fact, Odom is also very good. They're just not good assets for a rebuilding team, and certainly not when teams like the Clippers have much better assets available.

It's Lakers fans I've been reading who were saying there was no way they'd give up the assets they're currently giving up, even if they got Dwight. Yet here they are giving up more than that, for Chris Paul!

You were the main cheerleader on the GB taking what the Lakers don't have.

Secondly why in hell does everyone you so called experts think a team in dire straights as the Hornets simply will settle on just rebuilding ? The name of the game is to stay competitive,if Bynum was the one traded there he still keeps them competitive....all this based on health of course.

It's vets and size that helps you win, not young guys still learning the NBA game. Such as the ones you claim the Clippers have in assets. The Magic still have enough of a decent roster to win games, they won't win the conference but they'd be in the 5-7 slots, and the Hornets were "rebuilding" with CP already...wasn't like they had been doing years of damage in the playoffs. Besides they like Orlando was going to lose both of their stars.

[GodDamnRobin]

Good managed teams don't want to be stuck in mediocrity year after year, look at how well it's worked for the Warriors. The Hornets play out West. There's no point being a 30 something win team every year, especially in a small market where free agents are unlikely to come (though they don't want to go to a loser either). You're offering Odom (who will leave), K.Martin and Scola as the core of the deal. That won't make the Hornets a good team, if it did the Rockets wouldn't be trading those guys for Gasol.

But at any rate, you're obviously wrong. Firstly because the official position is that the Hornets want to get younger (hence the trade being rejected), and secondly because they have a deal to move West all lined up. If they wanted to win now, they'd keep West.

[DEEP3CL]

Good managed teams don't want to be stuck in mediocrity year after year, look at how well it's worked for the Warriors.

First off using the Warriors is a horrible comparison. San Francisco and New Orleans are totally two different markets. The Warriors were recently just sold, before that their problems were just player personnel, not finances like the Hornets. The Warriors got back right because they started to draft better for one.

The Hornets play out West. There's no point being a 30 something win team every year, especially in a small market where free agents are unlikely to come (though they don't want to go to a loser either). You're offering Odom (who will leave), K.Martin and Scola as the core of the deal.

I do agree that Odom will leave, because his deal is up this year anyway.

That won't make the Hornets a good team

How do you know that ? They'd be getting one of the most versatile PF's in Odom, and a rugged double-double guy in Scola and another 20 scorer in Martin. What the hell are you guys looking for ? You guys have to come to grips that New Orleans will never have another marketable franchise guy unless he's drafted and developed there and want's to be there.

Rockets wouldn't be trading those guys for Gasol.

The Rockets are trading for Gasol because McHale would rather run his system through a capable big such as Pau. That's kinda common sense. The problem is this, you and all the other GB posse experts are thinking this trade will have the Hornets coming out on top. I've watched this game far too long and know the history far to well to know that when teams have a star that's leaving......they suffer the set back for a few years.

Ask the other members of this board on how it was after Shaq ? It's common sense man, it's you and all the others being basketball illiterate... that's wrong simply because you don't understand the business side of the NBA and show a severe lacking on the playing aspect of it also. And fail to compute that some deals aren't done for the NOW, rather then realizing this is for purposes down the road for New Orleans.

But at any rate, you're obviously wrong. Firstly because the official position is that the Hornets want to get younger (hence the trade being rejected)

Again that trade was axed because of the financial gap with the Lakers, (hence infuriating the Cavs punk ass owner) had absolutely nothing to do with being all that young. Again common sense, you think Monty Williams wants a team full of 21-22-23 year olds ? Hell no. He'd much rather have a team that is some what competitive and will play hard.

they have a deal to move West all lined up. If they wanted to win now, they'd keep West.

Man they're moving West for several reasons, one his injury, secondly they weren't winning with him anyway.

[hermes]

when i saw the batman mask during the superman theme song i almost got a concussion from the facepalm i gave myself

[rko101]

D12 is the first guy we should be getting

[GodDamnRobin]

First off using the Warriors is a horrible comparison. San Francisco and New Orleans are totally two different markets. The Warriors were recently just sold, before that their problems were just player personnel, not finances like the Hornets. The Warriors got back right because they started to draft better for one.

I don't know why you bother to compare market sizes, since the only one who has mentioned it as relevant to my point is you. Golden State was mediocre because they had mediocre talent, which is what the Hornets would have had with that trade. If Scola & Kevin Martin were the building blocks of a good team, the Rockets wouldn't be trading them for the 31 year old Gasol. The Warriors actually still aren't on the right track, and the primary reason is because they didn't ever really go for the full on rebuild, which often resulting in them being just good enough to avoid getting a good pick, but bad enough to miss the playoffs.

How do you know that ? They'd be getting one of the most versatile PF's in Odom, and a rugged double-double guy in Scola and another 20 scorer in Martin. What the hell are you guys looking for ? You guys have to come to grips that New Orleans will never have another marketable franchise guy unless he's drafted and developed there and want's to be there.

You just agreed Odom is leaving, so I don't know why he's being brought up. Scola and Martin played for the Rockets (and were surrounded by a dearth of middling to solid role players, and they are mediocre. Why would a change of city change that fact? Especially when the Hornets don't have as much role player depth as the Rockets did.

Again, I have no idea why you keep mentioning market size, since it has nothing to do with what you're replying to.

The Rockets are trading for Gasol because McHale would rather run his system through a capable big such as Pau. That's kinda common sense. The problem is this, you and all the other GB posse experts are thinking this trade will have the Hornets coming out on top. I've watched this game far too long and know the history far to well to know that when teams have a star that's leaving......they suffer the set back for a few years.

You and another fan came on and attacked me for trashing Pau Gasol. I find this amusing because you've just made it clear your opinion of Gasol is lower than my own.

There is a reason the Rockets took the larger contract of Pau, and were willing to give up a pick as well, and that is because Pau is much, much more valuable than those things. Otherwise they wouldn't have given them up for a 31 year old big man. It's not because McHale stylistically prefers to build around Gasol, it's that building around Gasol is a much, much better way to win games.

I really do wonder if you even read my posts, or just skim the remarks that rain on your parade, and assume I'm a hater, since not only have you been completely off in my valuation of Pau, but you now accuse me of thinking Paul is going to stay in New Orleans. I don't think that at all, and I've said as much. The guy is gone. But it is possible to get a much more rebuilding friendly package than the one the Lakers were offering.

Again that trade was axed because of the financial gap with the Lakers, (hence infuriating the Cavs punk ass owner) had absolutely nothing to do with being all that young. Again common sense, you think Monty Williams wants a team full of 21-22-23 year olds ? Hell no. He'd much rather have a team that is some what competitive and will play hard.

Gilbert is one guy, you're naive to think Stern just does whatever that guy thinks. There are 29 owners, and he has to please a majority of them. I don't doubt that some of them pressured him not to allow it, but it really has no bearing on my point, which is that it's obvious the Hornets want to rebuild, or else they'd hardly be trading David West to the Celtics. What you want is irrelevant, since it's not what the Hornets want, which is the point. The Gasol trade made no sense from the perspective of the Hornets direction, which is a perfectly good reason to veto it.

Leaving that aside, if they are motivated not to take West back because he's 31, has had injuries, and they couldn't win with him, why on earth would they then want Kevin Martin (badly injured 3 of the last 4 seasons, now plays reduced minutes because of injury risk) and Scola (30 years old), both of whom proved they couldn't win on a better team (the Rockets)?