Braun tests positive for PED | Presser update pg. 42

[El Duderino]

Do they test in the offseason? Why is this coming out in December?

It's being leaked, not officially announced. Once the positive test came back in October there is an appeals process and nothing is announced until that is complete.

I'm not sure what TH is hearing but I am very dubious if he's found "innocent". And it doesn't matter, the damage is done, as said above it will be assumed Bud took care of it.

That was me and it's true. If by some very slim chance that Braun didn't actually take PED's and could prove it to an arbitrator, Bud Selig being the Commissioner is going to screw Ryan over in the public opinion aspect because fans of the other 29 teams will claim bias given no other suspension has ever been overturned.

Even Bud would be in a tough spot if evidence when in Braun's way because Selig used to own the Brewers. People will say that he put pressure on the arbitrator or that Bud messed with the test results somehow.

[Newz]

I am far more surprised anyone is actually in disbelief about this.

I just assumed. It's like the people who are in denial about Clay Matthews being on something.

This makes absolutely zero sense. It's also convenient you just assumed this the entire time but don't bring it up until now. Super sleuth.

I actually brought up Ryan Braun in a previous conversation where you got mad at me for thinking Clay Matthews is probably on steroids.

It wouldn't even have to be Ryan Braun. They could reveal any MLB player was on steroids/PEDs and I wouldn't be surprised. Why would you be? Do you just choose to be naive?

[MickeyDavis]

So just assume everyone who's good is juicing so you can say "I knew it" after the fact. Ok......

[Newz]

So just assume everyone who's good is juicing so you can say "I knew it" after the fact. Ok......

Jesus Christ you guys are ridiculous.

Yes, I am trying to brag about having super natural abilities to know about people taking steroids. You caught me, thanks for acknowledging how great I am at everything in life.

You guys keep being shocked when professional athletes get caught doing PEDs... I'll just continue to not be totally oblivious and understand that it's something that happens.

[LUKE23]

Yeah, that rationale makes zero sense. Let's just assume all great athletes are on them.

[El Duderino]

Yeah there's no credibility to say "I knew it all along" about Braun. As for Matthews, who knows. His workout routine is insane. Doesn't mean he doesn't enhance it, I don't know. But as for Braun, anyone saying they "assumed" or "knew it" are dubious at best.

It always makes me shake my head when so many try linking Matthews to PED use given about 90 percent of NFL players put on significant muscle mass gains once going from college to pro ball.

I'm not saying that Clay hasn't ever juiced because i have no idea either way, but nothing makes him stick out noticeably more than countless other players in the NFL.

Hell, i saw this picture of Thomas Jones the former Bears, Chiefs, and Jets running back. We see NFL players in uniforms which can hide their builds to a degree, but tons of these guys are abolute monsters when it comes to their physiques.

[Newz]

Yeah, that rationale makes zero sense. Let's just assume all great athletes are on them.

I said I thought Braun was on them because I saw a picture of him a couple years ago with his shirt off and dude was insanely ripped. After that I was like "Man, I wouldn't be shocked if that guy was on steroids." It's not like I'm coming in here saying "I KNEW IT! YOU ARE ALL **** STUPID AND I AM SMART!" I'm just saying it doesn't surprise me at all he (or any other professional athlete) would be caught.

Just like I wouldn't be surprised if Clay Matthews was on them. He came into college small, he was on a team with other guys that used them and he was a walk on in college that has become one of the best players in the NFL.

Like I also said previously in the thread (that you guys are ignoring because apparently you just want to argue about something) that all of these guys are innocent until proven guilty. It isn't even a fact that Braun is going to get suspended and like I said... I hope he doesn't because he seems like a good guy.

Like I said... you guys just continue to go on being totally clueless. I'll live in reality, where several professional athletes (especially baseball players) have been caught for this. And yes, a lot of them have been very good players.

[humanrefutation]

You guys keep being shocked when professional athletes get caught doing PEDs... I'll just continue to not be totally oblivious and understand that it's something that happens.

Oh, please. Stop sounding so condescending.

I'm not oblivious, nor am I disputing that "it's something that happens."

That does not mean that you're not allowed to be surprised or shocked when a player with no history of using PEDs, no previous signs of use, and is someone who came to baseball after the juicing era, tests positive for using them. That also doesn't mean you're not allowed to be surprised when it's your homegrown star.

[MickeyDavis]

Neither Braun or his agent are allowed to talk because the appeal process isn't done. Lots are talking though. TH's latest:

"Someone familiar with the story from Ryan Braun's end insisted to me that he will be vindicated."

The problem is we've heard this before from many who have tested pos.

[Newz]

That does not mean that you're not allowed to be surprised or shocked when a player with no history of using PEDs, no previous signs of use, and is someone who came to baseball after the juicing era, tests positive for using them. That also doesn't mean you're not allowed to be surprised when it's your homegrown star.

I still don't see why this is surprising, especially in baseball.

It's a problem that has plagued the sport. To think it's just going to go away without incident is, IMO, foolish.

[humanrefutation]

Like I said... you guys just continue to go on being totally clueless. I'll live in reality, where several professional athletes (especially baseball players) have been caught for this. And yes, a lot of them have been very good players.

[humanrefutation]

That does not mean that you're not allowed to be surprised or shocked when a player with no history of using PEDs, no previous signs of use, and is someone who came to baseball after the juicing era, tests positive for using them. That also doesn't mean you're not allowed to be surprised when it's your homegrown star.

I still don't see why this is surprising, especially in baseball.

It's a problem that has plagued the sport. To think it's just going to go away without incident is, IMO, foolish.

It hasn't "plagued the sport" for several years now. The most prominent person to test positive for PEDs recently was an aging Manny Ramirez (who was a product of the steroids era).

And even if it has, that doesn't mean you can't be surprised when it happens to someone you never expected it to.

Hell, even some of the top baseball writers and journalists out there are surprised.

But you aren't. Okay, good for you.

[LUKE23]

Jesus H, I don't even know how to respond to that trash.

[El Duderino]

So just assume everyone who's good is juicing so you can say "I knew it" after the fact. Ok......

Jesus Christ you guys are ridiculous.

Yes, I am trying to brag about having super natural abilities to know about people taking steroids. You caught me, thanks for acknowledging how great I am at everything in life.

You guys keep being shocked when professional athletes get caught doing PEDs... I'll just continue to not be totally oblivious and understand that it's something that happens.

Who is shocked about many athletes using PED's?

You are hardly some guy almost all alone in this thinking, it just hits different when it's a star player of one of the teams a fan cheers for that gets busted.

Professional sports is a huge money business filled by guys with big egos who want to be great, so many will look for any edge possible to help their performance.

Testing i'm sure has lessened use to a degree, but there are constantly people making new PED's which they hope can avoid being detected and athletes will use them if they feel they can get away with it.

I want to hold out some sliver of hope that Braun can prove innocence, but it's only a tiny sliver because i know that the odds are much higher that he simply was using a PED that someone convinced Ryan would go undetected.

[Newz]

It hasn't "plagued the sport" for several years now. The most prominent person to test positive for PEDs recently was an aging Manny Ramirez (who was a product of the steroids era).

And even if it has, that doesn't mean you can't be surprised when it happens to someone you never expected it to.

Hell, even some of the top baseball writers and journalists out there are surprised.

But you aren't. Okay, good for you.

I'm not saying it's wrong to be surprised. I'm not and have said MULTIPLE TIMES NOW that I'm not trying to act like I'm above everyone else.

All I'm saying is that it's not shocking TO ME when athletes get caught juicing, using PEDs, etc... and in addition, it is surprising to me that other people are shocked. I thought it was just assumed some of these guys do it... yes, even if they are on your home team.

[ACGB]

Lets have a contest for who was the LEAST shocked by this and the winner gets a 10 dollar gift card to TGI Fridays.

[LikeABosh]

I'm not surprised d at all. In fact, I'm surprised it took so long for the truth to get out

[El Duderino]

Jesus H, I don't even know how to respond to that trash.

Yea, it's hilarious watching Newz pat himself on the back, acting like everyone is in denial but him.

As if almost everyone else except him thinks that PED use is barely happening anymore. Ok Newz, what are you going to inform us all in denial about next, that gasp, some politicians might be corrupt?

[Newz]

Who is shocked about many athletes using PED's?

You are hardly some guy almost all alone in this thinking, it just hits different when it's a star player of one of the teams a fan cheers for that gets busted.

Professional sports is a huge money business filled by guys with big egos who want to be great, so many will look for any edge possible to help their performance.

Testing i'm sure has lessened use to a degree, but there are constantly people making new PED's which they hope can avoid being detected and athletes will use them if they feel they can get away with it.

I want to hold out some sliver of hope that Braun can prove innocence, but it's only a tiny sliver because i know that the odds are much higher that he simply was using a PED that someone convinced Ryan would go undetected.

Some people around here, on Facebook and on some blogs seem shocked by it.

I think there is a difference between being like "I CAN'T BELIEVE HE POSSIBLY GOT CAUGHT!!!" and "Wow, that really **** sucks that our star player, who seems like a great guy, is juicing."

I just thought it was assumed by pretty much everyone now-a-days that any pro athlete could be on PEDs, so if one (even one you root for) gets caught... it isn't super shocking, even though it can be extremely upsetting.

[humanrefutation]

I'm not saying it's wrong to be surprised. I'm not and have said MULTIPLE TIMES NOW that I'm not trying to act like I'm above everyone else.

All I'm saying is that it's not shocking TO ME when athletes get caught juicing, using PEDs, etc... and in addition, it is surprising to me that other people are shocked.

Bullsh**, Newbz.

You called everyone here oblivious and clueless, and said we weren't living in reality. Don't backtrack now and pretend you weren't acting all high and mighty.