Braun tests positive for PED | Presser update pg. 42

[Profound23]

If he did it, then I feel as always that he or any other user should be suspended for the entire season.

However, I have to say it's annoying that when the Packers were 6-0 the talk of the NFL was the Redskins, Bills, and Lions. Now they are 12-0 and ESPN talks more about Tim Tebow, Peyton Manning/Andrew Luck, and the Dallas Cowboys than the Packers. Badgers have the same lack of respect as ESPN barely mentioned them this year, nor Montee Ball AT ALL this week. Then today, after RG3 wins the Heisman, #1/#2 lose in NCAA, multiple trades and signings in the NBA, a brawl in a college basketball game, and the talk is about Braun.

The only way Wisconsin can get noticed on ESPN is when something goes bad.

I'm sorry but the Packers are not lacking in any kind of media coverage. They have consistently been a topic just about every day on ATH, PTI, and FirstTake. Even when those shows discuss the Bears, Lions, 49ers, or Saints, they always end up talking about how much better the Packers are then them. I kind of get what you are saying about the Badgers, but ESPN loves themselves some Bucky too. They had that ESPN special about the football team earlier this year and two of the ESPN Gamedays this year were Badger games (one at MSU and one at Camp Randall). If they would have only lost 1 game, then I think we would have been bombarded with Badgers coverage. Losing those two games back-to-back really caused them to lose the national spotlight.

Packers media coverage:

Last week- Giants complaining about the "photo"
Week before that everything was about Suh
The other time has been spent on Tebow vs Rodgers controversy for FirstTake

[El Duderino]

Jesus H, I don't even know how to respond to that trash.

Yea, it's hilarious watching Newz pat himself on the back, acting like everyone is in denial but him.

As if almost everyone else except him thinks that PED use is barely happening anymore. Ok Newz, what are you going to inform us all in denial about next, that gasp, some politicians might be corrupt?

Where am I patting myself on the back? WTF?

I guess I just became the target in this thread because you guys are upset about this. So you want something to piss and moan about other than Ryan Braun possibly being a juicer.

Ummmmmm

Like I said... you guys just continue to go on being totally clueless. I'll live in reality, where several professional athletes (especially baseball players) have been caught for this. And yes, a lot of them have been very good players.

That total nonsense which you posted. You do this kind of stuff a lot on the various forums here. Mr. I live in Reality, not the clueless Newz. Has nothing to do with being mad about Braun. Instead you acting all high and mighty as if PED use among athletes today is something you and only a few others have figured out. Please. I wouldn't doubt if half of the NFL players use something.

The "shock" is that it's the Brewers version of Aaron Rodgers and the damage it can cause, not the shock that players still use. Come on.

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

If he did it, then I feel as always that he or any other user should be suspended for the entire season.

However, I have to say it's annoying that when the Packers were 6-0 the talk of the NFL was the Redskins, Bills, and Lions. Now they are 12-0 and ESPN talks more about Tim Tebow, Peyton Manning/Andrew Luck, and the Dallas Cowboys than the Packers. Badgers have the same lack of respect as ESPN barely mentioned them this year, nor Montee Ball AT ALL this week. Then today, after RG3 wins the Heisman, #1/#2 lose in NCAA, multiple trades and signings in the NBA, a brawl in a college basketball game, and the talk is about Braun.

The only way Wisconsin can get noticed on ESPN is when something goes bad.

I'm sorry but the Packers are not lacking in any kind of media coverage. They have consistently been a topic just about every day on ATH, PTI, and FirstTake. Even when those shows discuss the Bears, Lions, 49ers, or Saints, they always end up talking about how much better the Packers are then them. I kind of get what you are saying about the Badgers, but ESPN loves themselves some Bucky too. They had that ESPN special about the football team earlier this year and two of the ESPN Gamedays this year were Badger games (one at MSU and one at Camp Randall). If they would have only lost 1 game, then I think we would have been bombarded with Badgers coverage. Losing those two games back-to-back really caused them to lose the national spotlight.

Packers media coverage:

Last week- Giants complaining about the "photo"
Week before that everything was about Suh
The other time has been spent on Tebow vs Rodgers controversy for FirstTake

I don't know what you've been watching, every show on ESPN covers the Packers. PTI had Greg Jennings on for 5 good minutes this week.

Also, Suh and Tebow have been deserving their coverage. Suh's **** was some of the dirtiest the league has ever seen. NO ONE thought Tebow would go 6-1 in his first 7 starts.

[MickeyDavis]

NFL media is always focused on the east coast. Patriots and Ravens are having great years. Giants and Jets struggling but in playoff hunt. Eagles "dream team" falling apart. I don't think the Packers run is getting nearly the coverage the Pats got 4 years ago. Maybe that's part of it, it was done 4 years ago. And beyond the EC the media is always looking for something new. It was the Lions resurgence for awhile until they started to fade. Niners getting some coverage. And of course Tebow.

[Newz]

El Dude, you read a response to LUKE23 and MD... then assumed I was (for some reason) directing that toward you and every other person on the planet.

Again, just because you say that I said something doesn't mean I did. The awesome thing about the Internet is that what I typed is right there and I can read it, so can you You can assume whatever you want, doesn't mean you are right though.

I've said what I've had to say multiple times now. I've explained myself multiple times. I don't want to hijack a thread that's about something huge in Wisconsin sports to argue about something incredibly stupid like this. If you want to go on, then that's fine... but this is the last response that I have in me.

1. I don't think everyone is ignorant. That post was directed at two people and was to make a point.
2. I'm not acting high and mighty or trying to prove that I know more than anyone about anything. Honest, I don't really care about "being right". I actually hope Braun is innocent because, I agree, he is the Brewers version of A-Rod.
3. I never said you didn't believe athletes used PEDs. Again, you weren't even involved in the conversation. You read something I typed directed at other people and assumed it was directed at you (and everyone else) which it was not.

If you want to go on thinking I'm coming into this thread trying to prove how smart I am and how great I am, then fine. I personally just think you took something I said out of context, but that's just me. If you think I'm that big of a d-bag, then I'd advise you just put me on ignore, that's always an option.

[El Duderino]

How unshocked will Newz be if Braun is cleared and this was a BS test?

Given that pretty much never happens in any sport where an athlete fails a test, the odds of Braun getting out of the suspension look to be less than about 5 percent and that's probably being kind.

As for ever being cleared in the public opinion area, i don't see that happening even if he managed to beat the odds by winning an appeal, especially if Bud Selig has any say at all in the process. Conspiracy theories would be popping up left and right among any fans that don't like Braun and there are many of them.

He's screwed whether he took them or not, and he probably did. Face it, if this exact same thing happened to a key guy on say the Cardinals or Yankees, any benefit of the doubt would go right out the window except for a select group of fans of that team. Everyone else simply assumes guilt, and with good reason.

[Newz]

Does anyone have the medical knowledge of:

1. Is it possible to cover up PEDs in testing?
2. How long do they take to flush out of your system?

I'm guessing the time period will be a big factor in if he can be cleared or not. But like everyone else is saying... testing positive seems pretty awful in the first place.

Letting him off without punishment probably opens a whole new can of worms too. Because then guys who have previously tested and denied it start to ask why they weren't given the same treatment, etc.

[Hatchins]

I just received a text message from Ryan Braun. Because his appeal of a positive drug test is ongoing, he cannot comment on the record about any of the details or give any information about what happened and what's going on.

But Braun was quite adamant that he will get this positive drug test overturned. He said he wanted to hold a press conference today to give his side of the story but was adviced against it while the process is ongoing.

"I can't wait to get that opportunity," said Braun.

"This is all B.S. I am completely innocent."

That's all Braun can say for now, which is understandable. But I appreciate him reaching out to me to say what he could.

That's more encouraging than a straight "no comment." If someone were actually innocent then they'd probably respond like Braun is. The only thing is that most of the other big name steroid users have also responded this way.

True, but luckily Braun has been tested and clean for 9 previous seasons....unlike other big roiders.

[MickeyDavis]

His test was during the playoffs sometime and he was notified of the results in late October and took another test. I don't know how long that stuff stays in your system. I also don't know exactly what the appeals process consists of but I'm reading that it can be several more weeks, which seems insane. Unless it's like a mini trial with each side presenting "experts" and testimony etc.

[REDDzone]

I'm not holding my breath on him being cleared of this, seems like every athlete caught has some amazing reason or misunderstanding. That said, man I hope there is some explanation.

If not, he really let us all down.

[Newz]

His test was during the playoffs sometime and he was notified of the results in late October and took another test. I don't know how long that stuff stays in your system. I also don't know exactly what the appeals process consists of but I'm reading that it can be several more weeks, which seems insane. Unless it's like a mini trial with each side presenting "experts" and testimony etc.

Well it seems like at least there is some hope. There wouldn't be a reason to rush him in for another test if there wasn't a way he could possibly avoid the suspension.

[El Duderino]

El Dude, you read a response to LUKE23 and MD... then assumed I was (for some reason) directing that toward you and every other person on the planet.

Again, just because you say that I said something doesn't mean I did. The awesome thing about the Internet is that what I typed is right there and I can read it, so can you You can assume whatever you want, doesn't mean you are right though.

I've said what I've had to say multiple times now. I've explained myself multiple times. I don't want to hijack a thread that's about something huge in Wisconsin sports to argue about something incredibly stupid like this. If you want to go on, then that's fine... but this is the last response that I have in me.

1. I don't think everyone is ignorant. That post was directed at two people and was to make a point.
2. I'm not acting high and mighty or trying to prove that I know more than anyone about anything. Honest, I don't really care about "being right". I actually hope Braun is innocent because, I agree, he is the Brewers version of A-Rod.
3. I never said you didn't believe athletes used PEDs. Again, you weren't even involved in the conversation. You read something I typed directed at other people and assumed it was directed at you (and everyone else) which it was not.

If you want to go on thinking I'm coming into this thread trying to prove how smart I am and how great I am, then fine. I personally just think you took something I said out of context, but that's just me. If you think I'm that big of a d-bag, then I'd advise you just put me on ignore, that's always an option.

No i don't want to go on any longer after this post and i read all the posts in the thread. Saw who you responded to. I simply thought what you posted was ridiculous, in a douchebagish fashion, and said so in response, even if your post wasn't directed at me specifically. That type of attitude which some posters on forums have a lot or just get sometimes, i find annoying and that's the only reason i responded.

[MickeyDavis]

I realize stories get leaked all the time so I can't blame ESPN for going with the story. But it sucks that he's not allowed to give his side of it, I'd at least like to know what it is.

[Newz]

No i don't want to go on any longer after this post and i read all the posts in the thread. Saw who you responded to. I simply thought what you posted was ridiculous, in a douchebagish fashion, and said so in response, even if your post wasn't directed at me specifically. That type of attitude which some posters on forums have a lot or just get sometimes, i find annoying and that's the only reason i responded.

It was a douchebaggish way of me to just try to tell them what I was trying to say. Which was simply "I think a lot of pro athletes take PEDs, so I'm not surprised when any of them get caught".

So yeah, I was being d-baggish. I just get annoyed when something like that gets blown out of proportion and takes over five pages of a thread when it was just meant to be an observation I had on the subject at hand.

I know I said my last post was... my last post on this. But since you responded in a civil fashion, I figured I would man up to my duechebaggery.

[Newz]

I realize stories get leaked all the time so I can't blame ESPN for going with the story. But it sucks that he's not allowed to give his side of it, I'd at least like to know what it is.

Is there a reason as to why he can't say anything?

Also, is there a reason why it's "within the rules" for him to text other people and then have them write about it?

[MickeyDavis]

I'm not sure what the exact rules are but TH and others have said Braun can't speak out. I guess saying he's innocent is ok or having others say he will be found innocent ok but giving out details isn't. Personally I think that's b.s. Someone within baseball leaked this out and he shouldn't have to wait to speak out.

[Newz]

I'm not sure what the exact rules are but TH and others have said Braun can't speak out. I guess saying he's innocent is ok or having others say he will be found innocent ok but giving out details isn't. Personally I think that's b.s. Someone within baseball leaked this out and he shouldn't have to wait to speak out.

I definitely agree with that. Even if he is guilty, he should at least be able to defend himself when accused. I understand that he is going to try and defend himself, but even if he knew he was guilty and was going to admit it... he should be able to speak out and tell everyone he is sorry or whatever.

Just seems like kind of a ridiculous rule. I'm curious if it is in place to protect the players or the league... or what the hell the purpose of it is.

Is it just because it hasn't "officially" been announced yet?

[El Duderino]

His test was during the playoffs sometime and he was notified of the results in late October and took another test. I don't know how long that stuff stays in your system. I also don't know exactly what the appeals process consists of but I'm reading that it can be several more weeks, which seems insane. Unless it's like a mini trial with each side presenting "experts" and testimony etc.

Saw stuff posted elsewhere where a guy said 7-10 days.

According to the MLB.com article, the first test occurred during the playoffs. However, nothing has been declared yet as to when the 2nd test was performed.

From what I've been reading on the internet, from a few different sites, synthetic testosterone (steroids) will remain in the system for ~7-10 days. If the 2nd test was performed fairly quickly after the first, then there is some hope from this. If it was much more than a week, then it probably contributes nothing to his defense.

A second test was taken and some have said that came up negative, but even if that was true, i have no idea what that would do for Braun? Like do they go back and test the original sample again? If not and another urine sample is tested, can that be to late, even if the second sample comes up negative?

[humanrefutation]

I got the impression that the second test was taken well after the first test. From what I read, Braun had to give a urine sample at the start to the playoffs. He then proceeded to give a urine sample after being notified of his positive test, which was at the end of October. Sounds like more than 7-10 days.

[humanrefutation]

Great, GREAT point:

People writing that no one has won an appeal. How do you know? Could have been dozens anonymously #MLB #Brewers