Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford?

[The_Philosopher]

HOLD ON a second.

People are FINE with TD as PG but when Jamal Crawford gets mentioned its a travesty?

LOLLLLL.

Nobody is fine with TD at PG or Crawful at any guard position.

[melo mvp 15]

I love the idea of adding Jamal. The fact is though that we'd need to find a third team to send Douglas, Walker and Balkman to because Atlanta won't take on more salary. That shouldn't be hard b/c TD should be enough incentive to take on those small contracts. Sacramento, Indiana and Denver make the most sense. There are two problems (with solutions planned out) though:
1. If we trade Douglas for Crawford, we HAVE to get another PG. We can't go into the season with just Shumpert and Bibby. Jamal is no PG. If Baron gets cut or amnestied then everything would work out perfectly. Or if JJ Barea took the room exception it'd also work out. (Although my choice would be Baron).
2. Before agreeing to any contract Jamal has to be told that he has to play like he has for Atlanta and doesn't try to do too much. He's bigger than Jason Terry and could play that role perfectly. With him, Melo and Amar'e all being able to drop 20 on a given night along with our much improved defense, I could see us definitely moving ahead of Boston (even with David West) and cementing our status as title contenders.

[god shammgod]

HOLD ON a second.

People are FINE with TD as PG but when Jamal Crawford gets mentioned its a travesty?

LOLLLLL.

Apples and oranges.

and let me just say that if jamal represents the oranges, those are some really stupid f*cking oranges.

[Falstaffxx]

HOLD ON a second.

People are FINE with TD as PG but when Jamal Crawford gets mentioned its a travesty?

LOLLLLL.

Apples and oranges.

Explain

We're not making a decision between Douglas playing point guard or acquiring Crawford.

[NoLayupRule]

I'd love to have Jamal back.

He's a great shooter and penetrator.

I don't want him as our point guard and perhaps not as a starter but I sure want him in the crew

[Remember the Past]

HOLD ON a second.

People are FINE with TD as PG but when Jamal Crawford gets mentioned its a travesty?

LOLLLLL.

Apples and oranges.

and let me just say that if jamal represents the oranges, those are some really stupid f*cking oranges.

[GONYK]

We're not making a decision between Douglas playing point guard or acquiring Crawford.

That is essentially the decision if Douglas is getting traded for Crawford though, isn't it?

Both players would basically be playing the same role. It's just a matter of which one do you think would fill it better.

[Falstaffxx]

I'd love to have Jamal back.

He's a great shooter and penetrator.

I don't want him as our point guard and perhaps not as a starter but I sure want him in the crew

He's not a great shooter. Career 42% shooter with 35% from 3. Last year was 42.1%/34.1%

[Falstaffxx]

We're not making a decision between Douglas playing point guard or acquiring Crawford.

That is essentially the decision if Douglas is getting traded for Crawford though, isn't it?

Both players would basically be playing the same role. It's just a matter of which one do you think would fill it better.

You yourself said that if we made that trade there must be something in the works for Barea/Baron. Regarding Crawford, I'm simply stating that I'd prefer to have Douglas in the 6th man role over Crawford. And I'm also optimistic about Shumpert.

[GONYK]

We're not making a decision between Douglas playing point guard or acquiring Crawford.

That is essentially the decision if Douglas is getting traded for Crawford though, isn't it?

Both players would basically be playing the same role. It's just a matter of which one do you think would fill it better.

You yourself said that if we made that trade there must be something in the works for Barea/Baron. Regarding Crawford, I'm simply stating that I'd prefer to have Douglas in the 6th man role over Crawford. And I'm also optimistic about Shumpert.

Fair enough

You're right though. I do think we are going after Crawford because something is going to happen on the Barea/Baron front.

[Thugger HBC]

Crawford won 6th man of the year in 2009-2010. Last season he declined.

Toney Douglas decline too, even though he took more shots.

Exactly how did Crawford decline?

Shooting percentage went from 44.9% to 42.1%
3-point % went from 38.2% to 34.1%
PPG went from 18 to 14.2
Rebounds went from 2.5 per game to 1.7 per game

You can say the same for Toney Douglas too.

But here is the difference......

Toney declined with more minutes and more shot attempts...every shooting category took a dump.

Crawford had less minutes, shot attempts, games and zero starts.

Toney was a reason why we got swept. 36% shooting in the playoffs allowing his defense to be laughed at by having Rondo blow by him on every drive.

I would like to believe Crawford was a reason why ATL advanced.

[BrOnXKing1]

no. and here is why.

shumperts. Weaknesses: Lacks stability/discipline on the court ... Inconsistent … Not efficient at all ... Horrid shot-selection ... Liable to shoot at any time, even when being closely guarded ... Likes to shoot off the dribble on a good deal of his isolation possessions, despite only connecting on 20% of these attempts ... Shoots nearly 5 three pointers per game, despite only shooting 27.8% from behind the arc ... Will often go for the flashy play instead of the easy play, which can lead to unforced turnovers ... Very poor jump shooter, and hasn't shown any improvement in this area during his three-year career with Georgia Tech ... Needs the ball in his hands a lot to be effective on offense and he certainly won't have as many isolation opportunities at the next level ... Should look to take advantage of his size and strength more in the post, but has yet to add this dimension to his game ... Attitude has been questioned in the past, but to his credit he appears to have matured over the past year ...

Cutting and pasting a pre-draft report makes for a substantive post.

its better than just pretending the guy is an nba starter and superstar when hes played no minute in the nba. which alot on here do. craw is good. we got a team that got 4 years maybe to get a ring. u take craw over shumperts yesterday. we are tryin to win a ring. got no time to wait for three years to find out shumperts isnt all that good and isnt saving the team lol. if u throw in shumperts to the deal we can get craw 8 mils or something and he might take it. u do this if u can.

U can't be serious...U want to throw in Shumpert for Crawford? We finally got a guy here who looks like he is going to be a monster defensively and has the potential to develop a offensive game and people want to trade him.

People don't realize how much guards like Allen, Wade, and others killed us last year. We need someone to put on these guys. I know he hasn't played a game, but does that mean we should discount him.

[sol537]

No to Crawful. No to No'Sharington, and Hell No to bringing back Starbury (before someone makes an inevitable thread about it around here)...

[Falstaffxx]

Shooting percentage went from 44.9% to 42.1%
3-point % went from 38.2% to 34.1%
PPG went from 18 to 14.2
Rebounds went from 2.5 per game to 1.7 per game

You can say the same for Toney Douglas too.

But here is the difference......

Toney declined with more minutes and more shot attempts...every shooting category took a dump.

Crawford had less minutes, shot attempts, games and zero starts.

Toney was a reason why we got swept. 36% shooting in the playoffs allowing his defense to be laughed at by having Rondo blow by him on every drive.

I would like to believe Crawford was a reason why ATL advanced.

First let's be clear on one thing. Crawford's "minutes" declined by exactly 55 seconds. Please don't turn this into a garbage conversation by disregarding the facts.

The real difference between the two is that Toney Douglas was in his second season, seeing his responsibilities and expectations jump up for the first time - and yes his shooting percentage went down. Crawford is a veteran, soon to be 32, whose numbers went down across the board while playing the same minutes and in the same role as he had the previous year. If you have to bet on which player's numbers will trend upward, Douglas is the much safer bet.

[Red Vines]

We'd be better off keeping TD and getting a guy like Anthony Parker or Redd for the vet min.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Grunwald is expected to sign free-agent point guard Mike Bibby to a one-year veteran's- minimum contract for $1.4 million Sunday. Grunwald also is dangling the "room exception'' (two years, $5 million) to several free-agent candidates, including point guard J.J. Barea and former Knick Jamal Crawford.
Hahn

[The_Philosopher]

We'd be better off keeping TD and getting a guy like Anthony Parker or Redd for the vet min.

What's that? Making sense? Nahhhhh, we need low percentage shooting and bad defense man!

Not only that, we need it from a guy who is clearly on the decline as a player...a decline from mediocre at best to below average.

[KnicksFan007]

Jamal declined due to the new system of Larry Drew. He thrived under Woodson. That is probably why he would come here as well.

I mean seriously, complaining about getting a Sixth Man? If he goes to Chicago and kills us. I'm flaming all of you complaining about it. He makes us insanely deeper and tougher to guard. He would scare defenses.

[The_Philosopher]

The guy shoots FOURTY ONE FUGGGIN PERCENT FROM THE FIELD.

I am not going to lose my ish over this guy. This guy is not a good NBA player. One of the most inefficient guys in the league who contributes so little to a team.

[Falstaffxx]

Jamal declined due to the new system of Larry Drew. He thrived under Woodson. That is probably why he would come here as well.

I mean seriously, complaining about getting a Sixth Man? If he goes to Chicago and kills us. I'm flaming all of you complaining about it. He makes us insanely deeper and tougher to guard. He would scare defenses.

He wouldn't make us the least bit deeper, because we'd be trading our current depth for him, including Douglas and Walker.