Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford?

[Thugger HBC]

Shooting percentage went from 44.9% to 42.1%
3-point % went from 38.2% to 34.1%
PPG went from 18 to 14.2
Rebounds went from 2.5 per game to 1.7 per game

You can say the same for Toney Douglas too.

But here is the difference......

Toney declined with more minutes and more shot attempts...every shooting category took a dump.

Crawford had less minutes, shot attempts, games and zero starts.

Toney was a reason why we got swept. 36% shooting in the playoffs allowing his defense to be laughed at by having Rondo blow by him on every drive.

I would like to believe Crawford was a reason why ATL advanced.

The real difference between the two is that Toney Douglas was in his second season, seeing his responsibilities and expectations jump up for the first time - and his shooting percentage went down. Crawford is a veteran, soon to be 32, whose numbers went down across the board while playing the same minutes and in the same role as he had the previous year. If you have to bet on which player's numbers will trend upward, Douglas is the much safer bet.

Is that the criteria you're gonna use?

Crawford numbers went down because he took less shots, over 200 less.

And since when is a player not allowed to get older and see his production dip? They all do it.

Toney almost doubled his minutes from year one to year 2 and just about every single category fell off.

It's not a point of whose numbers will go up with me.

It's who I will plug in a role to help get me a championship, which was my original thought process.

Jamal Crawford as sixth man>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Toney Douglas as whatever his role supposed to be.

[Hardaway 10]

Ask yourself this...

Crawford now or wait til D'Antoni finds a way to get Joe Johnson here?

Cuz you know D'Antoni wants him some Joe Johnson if possible.

[Thugger HBC]

Grunwald is expected to sign free-agent point guard Mike Bibby to a one-year veteran's- minimum contract for $1.4 million Sunday. Grunwald also is dangling the "room exception'' (two years, $5 million) to several free-agent candidates, including point guard J.J. Barea and former Knick Jamal Crawford.
Hahn

So wait a minute?

If Crawford were to take the 2.5 MLE, that's a bad deal? I hope no one says yes.

[god shammgod]

Grunwald is expected to sign free-agent point guard Mike Bibby to a one-year veteran's- minimum contract for $1.4 million Sunday. Grunwald also is dangling the "room exception'' (two years, $5 million) to several free-agent candidates, including point guard J.J. Barea and former Knick Jamal Crawford.
Hahn

So wait a minute?

If Crawford were to take the 2.5 MLE, that's a bad deal? I hope no one says yes.

even i would have to admit it's not. i despise myself for saying that.

[Blue Ninja]

Grunwald is expected to sign free-agent point guard Mike Bibby to a one-year veteran's- minimum contract for $1.4 million Sunday. Grunwald also is dangling the "room exception'' (two years, $5 million) to several free-agent candidates, including point guard J.J. Barea and former Knick Jamal Crawford.
Hahn

So wait a minute?

If Crawford were to take the 2.5 MLE, that's a bad deal? I hope no one says yes.

Nope that would be great. I just donnt condone giving up Toney Douglas or someone of more value for him.

[Thugger HBC]

Ask yourself this...

Crawford now or wait til D'Antoni finds a way to get Joe Johnson here?

Cuz you know D'Antoni wants him some Joe Johnson if possible.

I actually think Crawford is following the coach who helped him win sixth man.....Woodson.

[Thugger HBC]

Grunwald is expected to sign free-agent point guard Mike Bibby to a one-year veteran's- minimum contract for $1.4 million Sunday. Grunwald also is dangling the "room exception'' (two years, $5 million) to several free-agent candidates, including point guard J.J. Barea and former Knick Jamal Crawford.
Hahn

So wait a minute?

If Crawford were to take the 2.5 MLE, that's a bad deal? I hope no one says yes.

Nope that would be great. I just donnt condone giving up Toney Douglas or someone of more value for him.

Please explain how Toney Douglas has more value.

Please don't say defense, because Rondo already killed that thought.

[2010]

So I'm assuming Shawne Williams won't be back. Because if we're dangling the "room" exception as per Alan Hahn, then that means Williams isn't getting it.

[Falstaffxx]

Crawford numbers went down because he took less shots, over 200 less.

And since when is a player not allowed to get older and see his production dip? They all do it.

Toney almost doubled his minutes from year one to year 2 and just about every single category fell off.

It's not a point of whose numbers will go up with me.

It's who I will plug in a role to help get me a championship, which was my original thought process.

Jamal Crawford as sixth man>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Toney Douglas as whatever his role supposed to be.

Your posts on this subject are becoming so rife with disregard for the facts that I'm not going to be able to continue the conversation much longer:

-Toney's minutes did NOT "almost double" from year 1 to year 2. They went from 19 minutes to 24 minutes.
-Crawfords numbers did NOT go down solely because he took less shots. They also went down because his shooting percentages went down.
-Toney did NOT "fall off in almost every single category." His rebounds and assists both increased compared to the previous year in a proportion greater than his increase in minutes. His PPG also increased.
-This is in addition to your previous remark that Crawford's "minutes declined" when in reality he played almost identical minutes to the previous year, losing only 55 seconds per game.

If you're going to continue to post on this, please have some regard for the truth. It's disrespectful to people who are discussing it with you.

[The_Philosopher]

Grunwald is expected to sign free-agent point guard Mike Bibby to a one-year veteran's- minimum contract for $1.4 million Sunday. Grunwald also is dangling the "room exception'' (two years, $5 million) to several free-agent candidates, including point guard J.J. Barea and former Knick Jamal Crawford.
Hahn

So wait a minute?

If Crawford were to take the 2.5 MLE, that's a bad deal? I hope no one says yes.

Is it about the money or what he will provide to the team?

If it's about what a "good deal" is we could've brought back Eddy Curry for the minimum like the Heat. I guess that's a "good deal" money-wise too.

[Blue Ninja]

Please explain how Toney Douglas has more value.

Please don't say defense, because Rondo already killed that thought.

He's younger, he's cheaper, he's on a shorter deal, defense(Rondo kills a ton of players, everyone kills JC), rebounding, shooting and passing.

Now the pros for JC, he can handle the ball more, and is a proven sixth man of the year and has been know as a great scorer.

Id take Toney 9/10 times.

[ComboGuardCity]

A guy that can put up 20 off the bench for less than the MLE? Are you guys kidding? This would be a steal.

[Blue Ninja]

So I'm assuming Shawne Williams won't be back. Because if we're dangling the "room" exception as per Alan Hahn, then that means Williams isn't getting it.

I hope this isnt the case.

[Dexmor]

This makes all the sense in the world. Bibby and jamal played together. Imo we are a close to allstar guard away from a real championship.

[Falstaffxx]

This makes all the sense in the world. Bibby and jamal played together. Imo we are a close to allstar guard away from a real championship.

Crawford was not remotely close to all-star caliber last year.

[Falstaffxx]

A guy that can put up 20 off the bench for less than the MLE? Are you guys kidding? This would be a steal.

Crawford is not signing for 2.5 million. It would be a sign and trade.

[Thugger HBC]

Crawford numbers went down because he took less shots, over 200 less.

And since when is a player not allowed to get older and see his production dip? They all do it.

Toney almost doubled his minutes from year one to year 2 and just about every single category fell off.

It's not a point of whose numbers will go up with me.

It's who I will plug in a role to help get me a championship, which was my original thought process.

Jamal Crawford as sixth man>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Toney Douglas as whatever his role supposed to be.

Your posts on this subject are becoming so rife with disregard for the facts that I'm not going to be able to continue the conversation much longer:

-Toney's minutes did NOT "almost double" from year 1 to year 2. They went from 19 minutes to 24 minutes.
-Crawfords numbers did NOT go down solely because he took less shots. They also went down because his shooting percentages went down.
-Toney did NOT "fall off in almost every single category." His rebounds and assists both increased compared to the previous year in a proportion greater than his increase in minutes. His PPG also increased.
-This is in addition to your previous remark that Crawford's "minutes declined" when in reality he played almost identical minutes to the previous year, losing only 55 seconds per game.

If you're going to continue to post on this, please have some regard for the truth. It's disrespectful people who are discussing it with you.

Toney played 56 games in his rookie season at 19 minutes per game. total 1087

His second year he played 82 games at 24 minutes per game. total 1971.

Here you go .......

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/douglto01.html

Crawford.......

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/crawfja01.html

Now if you're actually gonna tell me a player who shoots less won't naturally lose production statistically, I should be done with the discussion.

[NYKNICKPLAYA]

The main thing is, 1 will the Hawks accept a sign and trade offer of Balkman/Walker/Douglas and 2, will Crawford take 5 mill per?

[Falstaffxx]

Crawford numbers went down because he took less shots, over 200 less.

And since when is a player not allowed to get older and see his production dip? They all do it.

Toney almost doubled his minutes from year one to year 2 and just about every single category fell off.

It's not a point of whose numbers will go up with me.

It's who I will plug in a role to help get me a championship, which was my original thought process.

Jamal Crawford as sixth man>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Toney Douglas as whatever his role supposed to be.

Your posts on this subject are becoming so rife with disregard for the facts that I'm not going to be able to continue the conversation much longer:

-Toney's minutes did NOT "almost double" from year 1 to year 2. They went from 19 minutes to 24 minutes.
-Crawfords numbers did NOT go down solely because he took less shots. They also went down because his shooting percentages went down.
-Toney did NOT "fall off in almost every single category." His rebounds and assists both increased compared to the previous year in a proportion greater than his increase in minutes. His PPG also increased.
-This is in addition to your previous remark that Crawford's "minutes declined" when in reality he played almost identical minutes to the previous year, losing only 55 seconds per game.

If you're going to continue to post on this, please have some regard for the truth. It's disrespectful people who are discussing it with you.

Toney played 56 games in his rookie season at 19 minutes per game. total 1087

His second year he played 82 games at 24 minutes per game. total 1971.

Here you go .......

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/douglto01.html

Crawford.......

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/crawfja01.html

Now if you're actually gonna tell me a player who shoots less won't naturally lose production statistically, I should be done with the discussion.

Minutes per game. We're not tallying up their literal totals.

And instead of addressing your falsehoods on Crawford, you're linking me to a page that confirms that they are falsehoods.

I think I'm about done. You're demonstrating that you're not willing to discuss this without, at best, indifference to the facts and at worst outright lies. That makes the conversation not productive.

[KnicksFan007]

Stats do not need to tell me that a 6'5 SG/PG veteran > 6'1 3rd year PG/SG.

If Crawford is motivated to win, he'll play to the level he did as a Sixth Man in Atlanta. How many players are we going to rip that are proven impact role players on teams that kicked our ass for the last 2 seasons? C'mon now. It's getting ridiculous.