Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford?

[GONYK]

TD can't play the PnR and Jamal can do all those things better than Douglas, except for guard the position, which TD is solid, but not incredible at.

I think he can play pick and roll. Jamal cant play within himself, because he isnt someone who defers looks for better ones. He did it a bit before we traded him to the Warriors, but I dont know if hes willing to do that consistently.

Im going to sleep guys.

And I think Amare can play defense like Kevin Garnett.

That doesn't make it true

[GONYK]

GONYK... I found this video for you since you have an affinity for PG's like I do.

It's of NYC playground legend Lloyd "see pea" Daniels when he played for the Spurs several years after he was almost shot to death in east NYC. He was going to be the starting PG for the Runnin Reb's the year they won the championship until he was arrested at a crack house in LV.

6' 9" PG whose court vision was compared to Magic Johnson coming out of high school. Never dunked... always finger rolled the ball in the hole. Ambidextrous. Unique talent all the way around with an unbelievable feel for the game. He's #24... I wish I could find more footage of him... thugger you'd like this too.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSWH8CuLors[/youtube]

I remember catching him at the tail end of his career when he was on the Lakers. I even caught a game of his in person when he played in the ABA for the Strong Island something or other. He was an interesting player. Like you said, you can just tell he "got it" when he was on the floor.

[CoolKids]

GONYK... I found this video for you since you have an affinity for PG's like I do.

It's of NYC playground legend Lloyd "see pea" Daniels when he played for the Spurs several years after he was almost shot to death in east NYC. He was going to be the starting PG for the Runnin Reb's the year they won the championship until he was arrested at a crack house in LV.

6' 9" PG whose court vision was compared to Magic Johnson coming out of high school. Never dunked... always finger rolled the ball in the hole. Ambidextrous. Unique talent all the way around with an unbelievable feel for the game. He's #24... I wish I could find more footage of him... thugger you'd like this too.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSWH8CuLors[/youtube]

Dude lost almost all of his blood and he made it to the league... damn shame what could have been.

wow never heard of him. i appreciate you posting that. looked extremely smooth and fluid
passing the ball

[gavran]

Some of the posters' personal hatred clouds thier judgement. Crawford for this team for a role he thrived in under the coach the Knick have now? For 2.5 million? This team still needs ballhandlers, shooters, a legit offensive threat off the bench, someone who can make lob-passes and play defense. With Jamal, you get all of that in one player (of course the defense part excluded. Few years ago he was a role player who had to be the star of the team by default. Now, he'd be a role player, with a role that's perfect for his skillset and IQ.

Id run a marathon for him to sign a 3/4 year at 2.5 per. But if it means giving up Toney or Fields I dont want him.

I'm content with losing Douglas. I really like him and think he should get a real chance to show how good he really is (last season he was injured, and still played), but with Jamal here, he won't play anyways, so it's kind of a wash. Fields is staying.

[ibraheim718]

GONYK... I found this video for you since you have an affinity for PG's like I do.

It's of NYC playground legend Lloyd "see pea" Daniels when he played for the Spurs several years after he was almost shot to death in east NYC. He was going to be the starting PG for the Runnin Reb's the year they won the championship until he was arrested at a crack house in LV.

6' 9" PG whose court vision was compared to Magic Johnson coming out of high school. Never dunked... always finger rolled the ball in the hole. Ambidextrous. Unique talent all the way around with an unbelievable feel for the game. He's #24... I wish I could find more footage of him... thugger you'd like this too.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSWH8CuLors[/youtube]

I remember catching him at the tail end of his career when he was on the Lakers. I even caught a game of his in person when he played in the ABA for the Strong Island something or other. He was an interesting player. Like you said, you can just tell he "got it" when he was on the floor.

Just in the 2 minute vid you can see the touch pass (even though it was to rodman) then the behind the back to Reid... then the rebound and the push dribble to get out on the break quicker.. the steal and the touch pass again. He was the definition of pass first.. head always up... posture always bent at 45 degrees when pushing the ball.

I remember one game.. I don't remember who against. But the spurs were down 1... they got the rebound and there was like 4 seconds left in the game... He leaked got the ball and because he never liked to dunk he drove in for a game winning finger roll... no backboard and it rolled off the rim and time expired and they lost and he was devastated and in the post game said next time he'll make sure and dunk it.

[ibraheim718]

After Tarkanian was named head coach of the San Antonio Spurs for the 1992-93 season, Daniels signed with the Spurs as a free agent. The New York Knicks were the first NBA team to express an interest in him at that time, but declined to sign him after flying him in for a tryout. Daniels had an inspired performance against them in the preseason, dominating them with 30 points in his first game on the Spurs home court, electrifying the crowd. In a New York Times article the next day, Tarkanian noted that a Knick scout had told him after Daniels' tryout that he "can't play," though Daniels graciously told reports that he appreciated the opportunity that the Knicks gave him and sounded happy finally to have the opportunity to shine in the NBA. However after Tarkanian was fired twenty games into the season, Daniels' playing time diminished. Daniels played one more season with the Spurs before he was let go.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_Daniels

Ok.. I'm done reminiscing.

[RutgersBJJ]

Doesn't the fact that people are comparing Toney Douglas to a SG sort of prove the point that the people wanting Crawford are trying to make?

[ibraheim718]

Doesn't the fact that people are comparing Toney Douglas to a SG sort of prove the point that the people wanting Crawford are trying to make?

yes it does...

[Thugger HBC]

Doesn't the fact that people are comparing Toney Douglas to a SG sort of prove the point that the people wanting Crawford are trying to make?

Been my point for about 5 pages.

[Anotha Knicks fan]

GONYK... I found this video for you since you have an affinity for PG's like I do.

It's of NYC playground legend Lloyd "see pea" Daniels when he played for the Spurs several years after he was almost shot to death in east NYC. He was going to be the starting PG for the Runnin Reb's the year they won the championship until he was arrested at a crack house in LV.

6' 9" PG whose court vision was compared to Magic Johnson coming out of high school. Never dunked... always finger rolled the ball in the hole. Ambidextrous. Unique talent all the way around with an unbelievable feel for the game. He's #24... I wish I could find more footage of him... thugger you'd like this too.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSWH8CuLors[/youtube]

Dude lost almost all of his blood and he made it to the league... damn shame what could have been.

wow never heard of him. i appreciate you posting that. looked extremely smooth and fluid
passing the ball

+1 nice find

[ibraheim718]

ooohhhh... I found a gem... I've never even seen this.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3utKk47f5c&feature=related[/youtube]

Did he play for Mike??? GtFO...edit: he was going up against mike team trevisio.

[ibraheim718]

awww chit I stumbled onto the motherload... Tons of Llyod daniels footage when he played for scavolini pesaro...

Damn I got pretty much a whole game here on youtube...

[E86]

If Mike could deal with Sweepea then surely he can deal with anyone.

[Sky_Knicks]

Trading Douglas???!!??! NOOOO
I actually dont' mind having Crawford back. But I'd really miss TD. Crazy as his play can sometimes be, hes grown on me. And Walker is really talented. Some of the games he played in last year had my eyes popping out of my head. Im gonna miss his streaky shooting and "did you see that shi* ! " moments.
Balkman : He can GTFO. Just.....just GOTFO.

[DowNY]

LOL all of this recent Knick activity has my friend thinking David Stern is working behind the scenes with the Knicks, to set them up nice before he retires. Ahahahaa!!!

He thinks because of doing sign and trades we're still "asset collecting" for Chris Paul and Okafur. That we're going to add Tyson, Crawford, & Baron Davis to an offer with Fields, Shumpert and even J.Jordan for a sign and trade Chris Paul deal next off season. He thinks David Stern will officially put the NBA in armageddon before he leaves. Lol!

I thought my imagination with the NBA was overboard until he said this.

SMH.....Net fans....

[truth serum]

Personally, I love Crawford. Always rooted for him and would love to see him come back and be a part of a winning Knicks team. I think he's a great offensive player and a good guy and would actually fit in quite nicely with this roster. Another veteran and a guy who can create his own shot which TD and Fields don't do so well. Fields more so than TD who is OK off the dribble.

I wonder if the Knicks are thinking well hey, we're not going to get the guy we really want at PG right now, so let's get some veterans in here who we can trust (Bibby and hopefully Davis) and some guys who may not be PGs, but are good passers (Crawford, Grant Hill). This team needs good passers, not necessarily just any point guard. Guys who can hit shots AND make plays for others. Jamal Crawford is a good play maker. Some of you are choosing not to remember the days he would impress us with his play making ability and have us wondering out loud if he should play the point for us.

Defensively, obviously Toney is superior. But I think Crawford can be okay if our TEAM defense improves and it will. He can fit in if everyone on the team buys in to a defensive mindset which seems to be the case already.

So while I like Douglas, I would actually make this trade because I think it makes us significantly better. Jamal is still a quality, proven player in this league and one who has always struggled to find himself on a decent roster until he went to Atlanta where he accomplished a lot. I think coming here and playing with such a star-studded team, back with D'Antoni who he liked playing for, he can absolutely flourish. I'm also willing to let Toney have a shot at the starting role, still excited to see what kind of season he has, but we all have to admit that he can't be in our future plans the way we'd like Fields and Shumpert to be. For a team who's biggest need is now a PG, he can't possibly be the long-term answer. Bring in a guy like Jamal and he's someone who will have more lasting power. Can play both guard positions and can either come off the bench or start without having to question where he fits, no matter how quickly Fields and Shumpert improve.

With that said, LOL @ trading Fields for Crawford. That to me is an obvious no-no. Douglas on the other hand is doable.

[icewill36]

crawford is good as long as hes not too trigger happy, which he may be now that hes matured some.

id still like baron davis at PG.... any chance at both ?

Davis
Crawford
Melo
Stat
Chandler

[GONYK]

Knicks reportedly signed Barea.

If true, Toney for Jamal should happen. It makes too much sense.

[DowNY]

Just checked his twitter. Definitely seems like he's in a NY state of mind.

After retweeting that pic, he responded to 2 Knick fans questions then retweeted someone saying "no one should sign him unless they're offering him a starting position".

Pretty sure D'antoni promised Crawford a starting SG spot if this happens, especially since he'd be taking less money.

Would definitely need to lock up Shawne Williams for a following move.

Hope we get Baron because I really don't see anyone else we can sign for minimum to start at PG.
Don't want to settle on Arenas if worst comes to worst.

[DowNY]

Knicks reportedly signed Barea.

If true, Toney for Jamal should happen. It makes too much sense.

Wow. Ok.