Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Pt V, Mods Close)

[Magicalltheway]

this is now on Martin, to me the choice is clear. Player like Dwight are one every 15yrs, GMs like Otis, well many of us on this forum can do a better job.

Firing Otis now will not change anything. Martins can't change anything right now.

if firing Otis wont change his mind then all this is just bullcrap. then its all an excuse to have a reason for leaving. if he truly wants his team the firing Otis would be the loudest signal to him of how much we want him here.

[Coach_McGuirk]

I wonder if BVW wanted to fire Otis but nobody else did and thats why he retired.

[woosah]

I'm not defending Otis. I'm simply not defending Dwight either. If Dwight's gonna act like a baby and whine about the GM not getting players on his list and letting him play armchair GM, then I'm not going to side with him. Doesn't really matter who the GM is or what the GM has done, with the possible exception of Isiah Thomas who is clinically insane.

Remember when Tmac wanted us to trade the #1 pick for "help"? Yeah. Letting players call the shots is a sure path to disaster.

"But Otis has led us to disaster!"

Okay. I don't necessarily disagree. We're looking at a situation now where Dwight wants out, and that's a certifiable disaster. So does Otis deserve to get fired? Yeah. I don't know if he will, but if he got fired today, you wouldn't see me complain.

The point isn't really about Otis or Dwight specifically. It's about not creating an environment where the GMs are just figureheads that indulge a star's every whim. That's not going to work, because players do not know best. Not all GMs do either, so when it becomes clear that yours doesn't, then by all means fire him.

THIS.

[EasternMagic]

this is now on Martin, to me the choice is clear. Player like Dwight are one every 15yrs, GMs like Otis, well many of us on this forum can do a better job.

Firing Otis now will not change anything. Martins can't change anything right now.

if firing Otis wont change his mind then all this is just bullcrap. then its all an excuse to have a reason for leaving. if he truly wants his team the firing Otis would be the loudest signal to him of how much we want him here.

Why would firing Otis change his mind now? It doesn't put us in a better situation to land any of the players he wants. People have to remember that Otis DID try to get CP3, and is probably still trying. If they fired Otis Dwight would just not have someone in the organization to blame.

[thelead]

@JohnDenton555
John Denton
Dwight: ``We’ve had long talks throughout the summer and that’s all it’s been. I’ve talked to a lot of (FAs) and nothing has happened.’’

How could this happen during the lockout????????????????????? Tampering on the Magic side??? Hopefully just before the lockout...

[woosah]

I wonder if BVW wanted to fire Otis but nobody else did and thats why he retired.

Well there were reports that Dwight asked for the trade on Monday. The call happened 1am Tuesday (or late, late mon night). Now i know they have said they were not connected, but in light of how things have went i am not so sure.

[WeAreVenom]

Ugh......this is going downhill, fast.

One of them is obviously lying. Dwight said NONE of his demands were met, Otis said some of them were, just not all of them.

Dwight says that they have no relationship anymore, Otis says that their relationship is and always has been fine.

I think this is more than not being on the same page. One of them just flat out isn't being truthful.

[Bensational]

I'm not defending Otis. I'm simply not defending Dwight either. If Dwight's gonna act like a baby and whine about the GM not getting players on his list and letting him play armchair GM, then I'm not going to side with him. Doesn't really matter who the GM is or what the GM has done, with the possible exception of Isiah Thomas who is clinically insane.

Remember when Tmac wanted us to trade the #1 pick for "help"? Yeah. Letting players call the shots is a sure path to disaster.

"But Otis has led us to disaster!"

Okay. I don't necessarily disagree. We're looking at a situation now where Dwight wants out, and that's a certifiable disaster. So does Otis deserve to get fired? Yeah. I don't know if he will, but if he got fired today, you wouldn't see me complain.

The point isn't really about Otis or Dwight specifically. It's about not creating an environment where the GMs are just figureheads that indulge a star's every whim. That's not going to work, because players do not know best. Not all GMs do either, so when it becomes clear that yours doesn't, then by all means fire him.

i'm not advocating players playing GM. Dwight using his list is his way of saying "i don't have any help", without directly insulting the other guys on his team.

i don't think there's a need to 'pick sides', as much as accepting the facts. Dwight doesn't have help, and now he's holding Otis accountable for that. our team's response is to out Dwight and make him face the repercussions of his actions publicly.

*edit - picking sides also won't do anyone any favours. you side with Dwight and give him what he wants and he's still just as likely to leave after this season. you side with Otis, don't give in to Dwight and you risk losing a player that comes along once in a decade - heck, given the recent status of big men in the league, once every 2 decades.

in the end you're looking at losing one of the greatest talents in the league. why? why are we losing him? he says it's because he hasn't got help. i really, really, don't think it's an outrageous request to get him that help.

now, the part that might require you to pick sides is whether or not you consider Hedo + JRich + Gil to be worthy 'help'? Otis says yes, Dwight obviously says no.

[OrlandO]

anyone else notice the pattern developing between Magic management never being able to keep their superstars happy by not getting them help?

we sided with Weis and chased Tmac out of town. we chased Penny out of town (hands were tied on that one). now we're siding with Otis and chasing Dwight out of town?

Yup. While Dwight should have a fraction of the blame, the majority and final blame should be placed on management. Superstars come with egos and a lot of dumb ideas. It's natural for them to want to be heard... sometimes they should be, sometimes ignored. The reason management should take full responsibility is because that's their job. They need to be able to manage superstar egos and keep their players happy. They obviously keep failing. The thing that pisses me off is it seems Dwight has had some reasonable requests... we've all wanted the type of players he's been asking for. He wants tough players and I bet he learned that from facing the pistons and celtics over and over. We have a bunch of softies.

[EasternMagic]

@JohnDenton555
John Denton
Dwight: ``We’ve had long talks throughout the summer and that’s all it’s been. I’ve talked to a lot of (FAs) and nothing has happened.’’

How could this happen during the lockout????????????????????? Tampering on the Magic side??? Hopefully just before the lockout...

ya, that quote could get them in trouble....

[WeAreVenom]

@JohnDenton555
John Denton
Dwight: ``We’ve had long talks throughout the summer and that’s all it’s been. I’ve talked to a lot of (FAs) and nothing has happened.’’

How could this happen during the lockout????????????????????? Tampering on the Magic side??? Hopefully just before the lockout...

ya, that quote could get them in trouble....

BIG trouble.

Quick, let's stop talking about it before the wrong person sees it, lol.

[JF5]

Ugh......this is going downhill, fast.

One of them is obviously lying. Dwight said NONE of his demands were met, Otis said some of them were, just not all of them.

Dwight says that they have no relationship anymore, Otis says that their relationship is and always has been fine.

I think this is more than not being on the same page. One of them just flat out isn't being truthful.

Dwight is lying obviously....

He wants to pave an avenue in which the relationship went "sour", and he "didn't get the players he wanted". It's a perfect thing to say when you're already on the way out and trying to save face.

[RickB-Orlando]

"Obviously Lying" seems too strong to me. Part of these differences are from each having their own perspective on the situation, part probably from their 'advisers' egging them on (more so Dwight than Otis I would suspect).

[ADRajX]

I'm not defending Otis. I'm simply not defending Dwight either. If Dwight's gonna act like a baby and whine about the GM not getting players on his list and letting him play armchair GM, then I'm not going to side with him. Doesn't really matter who the GM is or what the GM has done, with the possible exception of Isiah Thomas who is clinically insane.

Remember when Tmac wanted us to trade the #1 pick for "help"? Yeah. Letting players call the shots is a sure path to disaster.

"But Otis has led us to disaster!"

Okay. I don't necessarily disagree. We're looking at a situation now where Dwight wants out, and that's a certifiable disaster. So does Otis deserve to get fired? Yeah. I don't know if he will, but if he got fired today, you wouldn't see me complain.

The point isn't really about Otis or Dwight specifically. It's about not creating an environment where the GMs are just figureheads that indulge a star's every whim. That's not going to work, because players do not know best. Not all GMs do either, so when it becomes clear that yours doesn't, then by all means fire him.

i'm not advocating players playing GM. Dwight using his list is his way of saying "i don't have any help", without directly insulting the other guys on his team.

i don't think there's a need to 'pick sides', as much as accepting the facts. Dwight doesn't have help, and now he's holding Otis accountable for that. our team's response is to out Dwight and make him face the repercussions of his actions publicly.

*edit - picking sides also won't do anyone any favours. you side with Dwight and give him what he wants and he's still just as likely to leave after this season. you side with Otis, don't give in to Dwight and you risk losing a player that comes along once in a decade - heck, given the recent status of big men in the league, once every 2 decades.

in the end you're looking at losing one of the greatest talents in the league. why? why are we losing him? he says it's because he hasn't got help. i really, really, don't think it's an outrageous request to get him that help.

now, the part that might require you to pick sides is whether or not you consider Hedo + JRich + Gil to be worthy 'help'? Otis says yes, Dwight obviously says no.

+1

[OrlandO]

Basically, Otis tried to get him help, but he brought his own ideas of help, not Dwight's.

[jadewbj]

Hoping to wake up to see otis smith gone in the am. There are such things as xmas miracles, right?

[magicfan4life88]

My dad always had a saying...when a day starts off like this its all up hill from here
~Ethan Tremble~

[cb1115]

Hoping to wake up to see otis smith and Dwight gone in the am. There are such things as xmas miracles, right?

Fixed.

[OrlandO]

Ha just noticed Dwight wearing a Raiders hat in latest interview instead of Magic hat like the other days... reading too much into it? (sorry if this was mentioned earlier)

[IGotDaMagicInMe]

I feel like if we trade Dwight we aren't going to get any reasonable trades. . .we're going to end up with some crap in return