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Re: Starting Haslem 

Post#21 » by WD » Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:20 am

twix2500 wrote:Here is the reason why you dont want to play a player out of position, its because you make them less of a player. You want your core players to be in position for them to succeed and the role players to play off of them. If you move Bosh to center, you putting him in a position to succeed less. And taking off the focus of your best players learning how to be their best instead they learning how to do a new job they are not equiped for. Its kind of like moving Mike Pouncey to Tackle because your tackle sucks, and your backup center is decent. So now you will have a decent tackle instead of a great center. Moving Bosh to center will make him a decent center, and you will have a decent powerforward on the court in Haslem. You have to weigh do i want a combo of great powerforward and bad center or combo of decent powerforward and decent center? We witness how playing a player out of position can effect him when he were force to play Brian Grant at Center so Anthony Mason can start in the early 2000s. Instead of Brian Grant becoming a great powerforward, he became a decent center for the Miami Heat. Fortunately Mason was a great powerforward that one year, but we never made moves so Grant can move back to PF. Unfortunately we wore Grant body out, and he never was able to improve on his game as a powerforward.

+1 - gr8 post - especially the Grant info, always thought this. If we just let the players play to the best of their position instead of asking them to be hybrids of other positions. That is why I want us to let our real centers(curry/pittman) play center. If we are weak at center, so be it, but I don't think we will be.
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Re: Starting Haslem 

Post#22 » by diablerouge » Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:30 am

i'm not sure people get my point. bosh will play A LOT OF MINUTES at center anyways! why not just start him them and stop this charade? it would be freaking stupid to rotate bosh and haslem at the 4. also, bosh doesn't have to change his game when he is at the 5, he will just guard bigger players. remember him in beijing?
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Post#23 » by WD » Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:32 am

diablerouge wrote:i'm not sure people get my point. bosh will play A LOT OF MINUTES at center anyways! why not just start him them and stop this charade? it would be freaking stupid to rotate bosh and haslem at the 4. also, bosh doesn't have to change his game when he is at the 5, he will just guard bigger players. remember him in beijing?

I got your post, my response is that "although you may be correct in that Bosh WILL play a lot of center minutes, I am saying BOSH SHOULDN'T play a lot of Center minutes"
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Re: Starting Haslem 

Post#24 » by twix2500 » Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:36 am

diablerouge wrote:i'm not sure people get my point. bosh will play A LOT OF MINUTES at center anyways! why not just start him them and stop this charade? it would be freaking stupid to rotate bosh and haslem at the 4. also, bosh doesn't have to change his game when he is at the 5, he will just guard bigger players. remember him in beijing?



Yes i remember him in beijing, he became a decent center. He became a role player, exactly what I am talking about. And yes he has to change his game in order. Instead of having an hieght advantage, he will have an height disadvantage and weight. It makes a difference. Build around your stars dont make your stars play around your role players.
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Post#25 » by WD » Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:42 am

twix2500 wrote:
diablerouge wrote:i'm not sure people get my point. bosh will play A LOT OF MINUTES at center anyways! why not just start him them and stop this charade? it would be freaking stupid to rotate bosh and haslem at the 4. also, bosh doesn't have to change his game when he is at the 5, he will just guard bigger players. remember him in beijing?



Build around your stars dont make your stars play around your role players.


Build around your stars dont make your stars play around your role players.
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Re: Starting Haslem 

Post#26 » by LikeABosh » Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:44 am

Brazilian wrote:We need bench scoring which we SUCKED last year so we need Udonis off the bench...he, Miller and Battier are the Big Bench 3...


With Battier, Jones, Miller, Haslem, Curry, and Cole all coming off the bench, I'm not worried about the bench scoring. But just remember that we have the big 3 and they will be scoring 65%-70% of our points. So, we might be last in bench scoring this year, but it won't be indicative of how well the bench is.
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Re: Starting Haslem 

Post#27 » by Nupe_1911 » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:47 pm

I don't like the idea of Bosh playing C. It puts him out of position. Bosh is an average shot-blocker at best and somewhat undersized. Bosh also tends (or use to) get injured a lot. Making him play C full-time may get him worn down and/or injured. I know he bulked up but not enough to play C full time.

Bosh is a very good PF. Haslem is a good backup at this point in his career. I would say the starting lineup should be remain the same or be something along the lines of:

Wade
LeBron
Battier
Bosh
Scrub C

With Chalmers, Haslem, Mike Miller, Curry and others off the bench.
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Post#28 » by EscapoTHB » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:22 pm

I doubt Haslem will start at C. But he'll certainly play it at times as matchups dictate. He'll also probably be in our crunchtime lineup even over someone like Billups--because of his rebounding and defense. It will be down to between Billups and Battier if we get Billups, and you'll play whichever one is hot, or gives you the best matchup.
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Post#29 » by Bubstubbler » Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:37 pm

WD wrote:No offense, BUT why do we always want to play guys out of position?


To maximize odds of winning.

Why don't you want to maximize odds of winning? Why is it more important to you to be 'traditional' than to maximize odds of winning?

Where in the world are your priorities?
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Re: Starting Haslem 

Post#30 » by Bubstubbler » Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:47 pm

DefenseWins wrote:Erm Boston is starting KG at Center because they have no choice. If we start Haslem, who will back him up? Juwan Howard?


Are you just pretending to not understand how it would work, or are you being serious?

Virtually all of the pf minutes while games are still in doubt would be played by Haslem, Bosh, and LeBron. It would probably look something like this:

pf - Haslem 30 mpg, Bosh 10 mpg, LeBron 8 mpg
c - Bosh 26 mpg, Anthony 12 mpg, Curry 6 mpg, Pittman 4 mpg
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Post#31 » by diablerouge » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:07 am

Why are people talking about Haslem at center? Anthony, Bosh, Howard, Curry and Pittman will all play center before UD. UD will not log a single minute at center this year.
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Post#32 » by Flash4thewin » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:13 pm

diablerouge wrote:Why are people talking about Haslem at center? Anthony, Bosh, Howard, Curry and Pittman will all play center before UD. UD will not log a single minute at center this year.


Remember we have Spo as the coach......

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