Filling Roster After Dwight/Nene

kmsmith5 · Post #1 » by **kmsmith5** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:13 pm

Using cap space to acquire one or both of these players is great, but leaves holes on the wing and possibly at the 4 (if it's just Dwight+Hedo)

The Nets will have the smaller MLE available to teams that use cap space. I think it's around $2.2mil. That might be able to lure a quality bench player to Brooklyn, but 2-3 starting positions still need to be filled.

One option is to S&T Humphries to a team under the cap for a TPE, then use the cap space, then add someone using the TPE. It's what the Mavericks just did with Chandler/Odom except they were already over the cap.

I guess my questions are who would be interested in Humphries that is under the cap or has a TPE already?

About how much would Humph get in his 1st year (amount of TPE)?

Also, what teams/players would be candidates to add using the TPE ?

bkzmanny93 · Post #2 » by **bkzmanny93** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:01 pm

ok i dont know about everybody else but from all that ive been reading im 100% sure Howard isnt coming here.........at least not before season starts.

SO we have to go out and get Nene. i know the price tag on Nene is ugly but we need a PF and the only other options out there are Landry and Hump. neither is gonna make us that much better.

Reggie williams QO was rescinded so we need to try and sign him. he doesnt play ANY defense but avery can change that and he can score, which we need desperately.

If not Reggie then im down to go out and sign my boy RICHARD JEFFERSON. hes still pretty athletic and can play D. hed be our 4th option and shot 44% from deep last season and coming back to the nets might rejuvenate him.

I like this starting 5

D Will
Ammo
Reggie Williams or RJ
Nene
Lopez

Petro45 · Post #3 » by **Petro45** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:46 pm

Maybe I'm missing something, but if we were to sign Nene and amnesty Outlaw, wouldn't we have enough cap space to sign Afflalo?

I'm all for getting Howard if possible, but if it doesn't happen I could be pretty happy having Lopez, Nene AND Afflalo instead of Howard and Turkoglu.

bkzmanny93 · Post #4 » by **bkzmanny93** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:39 am

i love afflalo but Denver is expected to match any offer for him so to get him wed have to overpay big time i assume. that is why i said reggie williams or RJ

Post #5 » by **NyCeEvO** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:52 am

Petro45 wrote:Maybe I'm missing something, but if we were to sign Nene and amnesty Outlaw, wouldn't we have enough cap space to sign Afflalo?

I'm all for getting Howard if possible, but if it doesn't happen I could be pretty happy having Lopez, Nene AND Afflalo instead of Howard and Turkoglu.

The Nets are considering not amnestying Outlaw until next offseason because he'll help them meet the cap floor requirements if need be/fill the cap til next offseason for D12 and his value has nowhere to go but up (one would think). We're not going to use all of our cap space with multi-year deals (I think) in order to retain trade chips and yet still have cap flexibility going into next year.

vincecarter4pres · Post #6 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:08 am

You can't S&T the Hump if we traded for Dwight, we would have to renounce him to get the cap needed to absorb Turk.

Dallas was able to do that because they were over the cap, if you're under the cap TPE's count against your cap space and need to be renounced as well to use that cap room.

As for that mini-mini-MLE we would get if this all happens in the next few days, I would throw it at Shawne Williams.

vincecarter4pres · Post #7 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:11 am

NyCeEvO wrote:
Petro45 wrote:Maybe I'm missing something, but if we were to sign Nene and amnesty Outlaw, wouldn't we have enough cap space to sign Afflalo?

I'm all for getting Howard if possible, but if it doesn't happen I could be pretty happy having Lopez, Nene AND Afflalo instead of Howard and Turkoglu.

The Nets are considering not amnestying Outlaw until next offseason because he'll help them meet the cap floor requirements if need be/fill the cap til next offseason for D12 and his value has nowhere to go but up (one would think). We're not going to use all of our cap space with multi-year deals (I think) in order to retain trade chips and yet still have cap flexibility going into next year.

I heard rumblings of this last week.

If it rings true I cannot tell you how irresponsible a move it is.

God forbid a trade pops up midseason for Dwight or whoever and you have to salary match using Outlaw that team will literally tell us to go screw and trade said player to another team.

There are a million ways to get to the salary floor, keeping Outlaw should absolutely not be an option.

vincecarter4pres · Post #8 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:13 am

Oh and as far as I read last week, amnestied player's salary do not count towards the cap but do count towards the salary floor for this season.

Post #9 » by **NyCeEvO** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:18 am

Well, the ONLY reason I can think of as to why they would do this is because maybe they could be scared that in a S&T with Orlando next offseason, Orlando might want an improved Outlaw on a multi-year deal rather than an expiring or something.

Even that makes absolutely no sense.

But my heart is really thinking is that considering the number of things that Nets are in the process of doing, he doesn't want one more thing to distract him for focusing on this offseason. I'm sure that when this is all said and done, he'll be gone either way. Even though as fans, it's funny to think of him being gone asap, Nets management honestly has nothing to lose not using the amnesty until the FA period is just about done.

Again, I don't agree with the move but I'm pretty sure he's gone.

enetric · Post #10 » by **enetric** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:05 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:
NyCeEvO wrote:
Petro45 wrote:Maybe I'm missing something, but if we were to sign Nene and amnesty Outlaw, wouldn't we have enough cap space to sign Afflalo?

I'm all for getting Howard if possible, but if it doesn't happen I could be pretty happy having Lopez, Nene AND Afflalo instead of Howard and Turkoglu.

The Nets are considering not amnestying Outlaw until next offseason because he'll help them meet the cap floor requirements if need be/fill the cap til next offseason for D12 and his value has nowhere to go but up (one would think). We're not going to use all of our cap space with multi-year deals (I think) in order to retain trade chips and yet still have cap flexibility going into next year.

I heard rumblings of this last week.

If it rings true I cannot tell you how irresponsible a move it is.

God forbid a trade pops up midseason for Dwight or whoever and you have to salary match using Outlaw that team will literally tell us to go screw and trade said player to another team.

There are a million ways to get to the salary floor, keeping Outlaw should absolutely not be an option.

Hold on now. You know said team Orlando in this case cant "simply trade said player to another team". If Dwight wont agree to stick with that team...unlikely anyone ponies up more than we are offering...with or without eating Hedo.

Our risk is that another team will make an offer that the aftermath leaves a team Dwight decides he would re-sign with. But say some team is wiling to make a deal with Dwight for a rest of the season rental then all we need is enough cap space to sign him July 1st. If that's the case...no problem.

Nothing is simple here. Everyone is playing a game of chicken. Orlando's only real leverage on Dwight is that they can give him the longer contract. But once we hit Jan.1st ...if I am reading all of this right...Orlando's only leverage exists if he is willing to sign with them. If not...their trade threats are over since there wont be an S&T that gets him a better deal than signing outright.

I have come to the conclusion that we need to simply be patient here. Dwight wil either

1- approve another suitor or
2- he will have a change of heart and stay with Orlando or
3- Orlando will call with its tail between its legs and take the best offer we can make the day they call or
4- he will sign July 1st with a team that has cap space to bring him in. Is he like Lebron, Wade and Bosh? Willing to take less money to control his fate? In this case, less years?

We are willing to make our best offer TODAY. If Orlando wont bite and they come around later and our best offer 2 months from now isnt to eat a Hedo sanndwich without sending them back contracts then that's too bad. If they can do better than Brook, 2 picks some other considerations FROM A TEAM DWIGHT will extned with? That is a different story.

Post #11 » by **NyCeEvO** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:11 am

I know it would never happen, but could you imagine if Orlando had to take back Outlaw in a Howard deal? I'd die of sheer of laughter.

enetric · Post #12 » by **enetric** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:12 am

NyCeEvO wrote:Well, the ONLY reason I can think of as to why they would do this is because maybe they could be scared that in a S&T with Orlando next offseason, Orlando might want an improved Outlaw on a multi-year deal rather than an expiring or something.

Even that makes absolutely no sense.

But my heart is really thinking is that considering the number of things that Nets are in the process of doing, he doesn't want one more thing to distract him for focusing on this offseason. I'm sure that when this is all said and done, he'll be gone either way. Even though as fans, it's funny to think of him being gone asap, Nets management honestly has nothing to lose not using the amnesty until the FA period is just about done.

Again, I don't agree with the move but I'm pretty sure he's gone.

Anyone please argue if you read differently...but my understanding was after Jan. 1st we hit the 6 month window for free agency....and there is no S&T deal that gets Dwight a max year contract. If that's the case....no S&T. Why bother? he can be traded from Jan 1 through the trade deadline but there is no leverage of an extension from my understanding. So if that's the case, just make sure we have the space to give Dwight the 3 year max deal and sign him outright. Not that I am saying lets walk away. I am still fine with making the preseason deal. But if Orlando i flat out ready to keep him to start the season, sign Nene to the most we can that doesnt impact Dwight's slot for next summer. If that isnt possible...walk from Nene.

Post #13 » by **NyCeEvO** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:30 am

Here's what I found from NBA.com :

Except during the 2011-12 and 2012-13 seasons, teams are prohibited from using a sign-and-trade if their team salary post-transaction would exceed the tax level by more than $4 million. Sign-and-trade contracts will have a maximum length of four years and receive 4.5% annual increases.

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/s ... index.html

Sign-and-trade deals
In the first two years, sign-and-trades will continue as is. Beginning in Year 3, teams can only participate in sign-and-trades if the amount of salary they take back in such a deal would leave them less than $4 million above the luxury-tax threshold.
Comment: The owners' desire to further restrict tax teams beginning in Year 3 was a major point of contention for many players and agents. The league moved from its previous proposal.

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/s ... index.html

vincecarter4pres · Post #14 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:08 am

Orlando will not take back Outlaw, its that simple, he is that bad a contract.

It has nothing to do with dumping Hedo for cap, its to do with matching contracts if Hedo was involved at all or any other additonal player on their roster.

Outlaw's contract is worse then Hedo's...

Post #15 » by **NyCeEvO** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:36 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:Orlando will not take back Outlaw, its that simple, he is that bad a contract.

It has nothing to do with dumping Hedo for cap, its to do with matching contracts if Hedo was involved at all or any other additonal player on their roster.

Outlaw's contract is worse then Hedo's...

Dude, I know. I was jk. C'mon son, you should know that...