Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford?

[Im Coming Home]

Just look at this video.

I know its a mix, but just look at his style of play, I don't remember TD driving this much last season. I also think the injury affected his D also, so that might also improve this year.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLkvktRGfGc[/youtube]

[munchies]

we already gave him enough money, he should just take one year deal with us

[DowNY]

Ultimately, I think he does choose us for a 1 yr deal.

All we'd have to sell him on is him being our starting SG for a year and doing his best.

Half the league making moves to preserve cap space for next season but deron, Dwight, and Paul are only 3 players. Jamal does his best and he'll get his nice contract from another team after proving himself with us.

Depending on how Shumpert develops and if we make a move for a better PG than we have by the deadline, we might can even keep Jamal.

I'm hopeful we can at least get him for a year. Him and Baron would immediately make our bench very good. TD-Shumpert-Fields off the bench sounds very good. Would just need to worry about the 4-5 position with Jefferies, Harrellson, and Jordan.

[Deeeez Knicks]

A question about Crawford. Has he ever defferred to two other star players. He didn't in Atlanta. He took the clutch shots down the stretch and he was a sixth man so he had complete freedom of the bench to do what he wanted. The last thing you want is a guy who loves the big stage so much he takes shots away from the other two guys who love the big stage that are much better than him. Not saying he will, it's just a thought. People say he changed in Atlanta, did he really?

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Thats what concerns me about Crawford. If he we bring him off the bench for 20-25min a game that would be great.

If we're planning to start him and make him the 3rd option it might not be a good fit next to Stat and Melo. You know D'Antoni will give him the green light.

[Fat Kat]

I want to be on record as someone opposed to signing Crawford. Having said that, if we get him I'd think he'd serve us better as a point guard. Jamal would become our best playmaker and would be less of a liability defensively guarding PGs.

[NoLayupRule]

I want to be on record as someone opposed to signing Crawford. Having said that, if we get him I'd think he'd serve us better as a point guard. Jamal would become our best playmaker and would be less of a liability defensively guarding PGs.

Im 50/50 on it but I know that Jamal is one of the leagues better scorers and thats something that always has value


On defense we will have Douglas defending the better player and Jamal the worse. I do have concerns that he's a very lazy team and help defender in addition to man to man but I have to think guys like Carmelo and Chandler will give him hell for it.


when I look at the two guys who we are hoping for right now - Jamal and Davis - both have flaws for sure.

If Jamal's major flaws are shot selection and defense I can't say were better off with Davis.
In fact Davis' biggest four flaws include those two but add personality and health to the mix, issues that Jamal does not have. Jamal is a good guy, well liked and not an injury risk.


so of the two Jamal is the better option.


the concept that Davis will create shots for the others is nice and I do think he's a very good uptempo guy but I think Jamal will be more willing and capable of helping this team.

Plus Jamal on the alley-oop is a solid thing too!

[seren]

I just don't believe Jamal will take the 2 year 5 million deal. I also do not want to give up TD as he is the closest thing to a PG on the squad.

Can a package of Balkman/Walker be enough to get S&T? Extremely unlikely.

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

I just don't believe Jamal will take the 2 year 5 million deal. I also do not want to give up TD as he is the closest thing to a PG on the squad.

Can a package of Balkman/Walker be enough to get S&T? Extremely unlikely.

Pretty much sums up my thoughts on it.

I will say though, if he would sign here outright for that little (doubtful), then it's a no-brainer. Jamal has some major flaws in his game, so at his contract last time around he was overpaid. Getting him for $2.5 million now would make him one of the most underpaid guys in the league.

[KnickGawd28]

I don't think we should give up TD , young pt guard , honestly they're both chuckers but Douglas atleast has somewhat better point guard skills. if we can get Jamal here for free or trade balkman & poss walker than im for it.. he's def been better in atlanta , where other team is he gonna go to as a contender, he should just take the 2.5 m..

[I_Love_NYK]

Any Jamal Crawford deal will require a sign and trade. No way does Crawford pass up a multi-year deal from another team.

[Johnny Hoops]

I'll be very surprised if Crawford ends up taking our $2.5M exception --- but that would be great.

A more realistic scenario to me is......

We wait out Baron Davis situation and sign him with the $2.5M exception.

We trade Walker/Balkman/TD for Crawford --- allowing him to make more $$$.

This gives us 2 veteran pg's -- Crawfords scoring off the bench and we can still add a veteran minimum guy as 3rd SF behind Melo/Fields --- maybe a Bostjan Nochbar type guy.

Davis
Fields
Melo
Amare
Chandler

Bibby
Crawford / Shump
Vet Min Guy
Jefferies
Jorts / J. Jordan

[knicksosmoove]

We can't expect Jamal to take 2.5 . . . He's past thirty; this could be his last major contract. If we have to sign and trade for him we do it.

[Da_Mane_Man]

look, the market seems to be dry for jamal. wiretap said there were 4 teams showing interest in him. 2 didn't want to spend cap space past this year, one is us offering the 2.5 over 2 years, and the 4th is the timberwolves.

what are his options? take some more money and go rot in minny or come here and have a chance at a championship?

when he was here he constantly talked about wanting a chance to get in the playoffs because he had never been there before. then he went to atlanta and got a taste of what it's like, even though they never really had championship asperations. i'm sure he would like to spend the rest of his career on a real contender, and he always liked it here.

that being said, guys say the right things all the time but always end up going where the money is.

i think he will think about this some more though and eventually end up signing here... unless, of course, some team comes out and give him like 6 mil a year.

[suicidedeuce]

We wait out Baron Davis situation and sign him with the $2.5M exception.

Can't see how Davis is going to require $2.5m to sign. He has ALL or the majority of $26m coming to him in the next 2 years one way or another.

Can't see him at that point in his career getting mercenary over $1.1m a year.

We trade Walker/Balkman/TD for Crawford --- allowing him to make more $$$.

Except Hawks don't seem to have an interest in taking on salary, which is the reason Crawford's options are limited in the first place.

I'd think it's unlikely all three fall into place, but I wouldn't be awfully surprised to see the Knicks end up with Crawford, Williams and Davis.

I think Williams coming back is a solid bet any which way, for no other reason than the KNicks will have this early Bird Rights next summer and the ability to give him up to the league average. I think the Knicks will do him right of they get a no from Crawford, but I an expecting (though not predicting) he will sign here for the min if he has to.

Also, and this applies to Crawford too, I can see agents maybe starting to instruct unsigned fringe players like Crawford and Humphries to grab 1 year deals. Next year the new revenue sharing will have kicked in, not only between the teams, with with the players. There may be more teams flush with money to spend, and (much) more time for agents to peddle their clients.

[NoLayupRule]

heres what a lot of you guys are not getting

Jamal's options are limited at best. teams cant spend and hes stuck outside looking in.

next year will be better.

he doesnt want to take a 1 yr deal for 2.5 mil but he will have to most likely because he can up his value for next year and play on a team he wants to play for


as far as a sign and trade goes the entire reason Atl wont give Jamal the money he wants is because they dont want to be in the lux tax area. If we do a sign and trade we have to send them salary and there is zero reason for them to do it without talent in return, which we dont want obviously.

the only thing we can do is send a non-guarenteed contract or a trade exception, neither of which we have.

So this leaves Jamal hunting for a contract when the Bulls just came off the market and most other good options are dry.

Portland is a possibility but after that its us and Atl

[seren]

I think Orlando could use him from the bench if they can trade one of their zillion SGs.

[thebuzzardman]

heres what a lot of you guys are not getting

Jamal's options are limited at best. teams cant spend and hes stuck outside looking in.

next year will be better.

he doesnt want to take a 1 yr deal for 2.5 mil but he will have to most likely because he can up his value for next year and play on a team he wants to play for


as far as a sign and trade goes the entire reason Atl wont give Jamal the money he wants is because they dont want to be in the lux tax area. If we do a sign and trade we have to send them salary and there is zero reason for them to do it without talent in return, which we dont want obviously.

the only thing we can do is send a non-guarenteed contract or a trade exception, neither of which we have.

So this leaves Jamal hunting for a contract when the Bulls just came off the market and most other good options are dry.

Portland is a possibility but after that its us and Atl

I disagree. There are teams that need to hit the 40 million dollar floor that would surely give him full MLE. Do I think he deserves it? Not sure. Does it piss me off that he was overpaid by the Knicks at one time and maybe it would be nice if he'd like to compete and take a more limited salary for a year? Sure, but that isn't happening.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

Using the $2.5m exception on a one-year player would be wasteful and short-sighted. We have many holes to fill and need to take every available exception to fill them. To go anywhere in the playoffs, we are eventually going to need a back-up forward of Shawne's quality. If we lock him up now with the $2.5m we will that hole permanently.

Signing Crawford will allow us to take the Heat to 6 games in the second round rather than 5, but once we use the MLE next summer to replace Crawford, how are we going to fill the other holes?

IMO, this is a 2-year project and we need to recognize that to a certain extent this year is like last year; more waiting.

[suicidedeuce]

I disagree. There are teams that need to hit the 40 million dollar floor that would surely give him full MLE. Do I think he deserves it? Not sure. Does it piss me off that he was overpaid by the Knicks at one time and maybe it would be nice if he'd like to compete and take a more limited salary for a year? Sure, but that isn't happening.

I think a reasonable question to ask if those teams are out there, why haven't they made their offer? Exhibition games start in a couple of days.

We know the Magic, Hornets, Denver, the Rockets and Nets are in limbo waiting for the Paul/Howard/Nene/Dalembert pieces to fall into place, but what's everyone else waiting for?

[NoLayupRule]

thebuzzardman, Id love to know what MLE teams these are


as suicidedeuce said Magic, NO, Den, Hou and Nets are all either sitting tight or not that attractive to Jamal

Nets are the only option and I dont see it happening