D12 Discussion/D12 trying to recruit D-Will to ORL? pg.75

[Jetset]

Past discussion threads:

Pt. I
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Pt. II
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[Jetset]

Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
There r only 4 teams Dwight Howard would sign longterm deal with - Orl, NJ, LAL, Dal - a source says.

[LApwnd]

him including Orl as still a viable option is totally going to delay this process until end of the season IMO.....Orl still see hope and they wont trade Howard unless its their last resort ALA Kobe when he demanded out.

[wfiles]

keep the dream alive

[BEazy]

I think it's hilarious that Clipper fans were all hyped and giddy that they were going to get CP3. But just like us they're getting rejected because Stern wants to rob a team senselessly for everything they've got.

[Free Rider]

him including Orl as still a viable option is totally going to delay this process until end of the season IMO.....Orl still see hope and they wont trade Howard unless its their last resort ALA Kobe when he demanded out.

Agreed. At this point it doesn't make sense for Orl to trade Howard given the conflicting messages he's been sending out lately or at least the conflicting rumors coming from his camp. From Orl's standpoint there's now a good chance that he stays with them if they can somehow improve their roster this year or perhaps just get rid of Otis Smith. Not to mention the money that Howard stands to lose if he becomes a free agent. You now have to at least wait until the trade deadline to make any decisions about Dwight. Amazingly enough I think we now have a better chance of getting Paul than Howard, if we can get either one at all.

[TonyMontana]

I think it's hilarious that Clipper fans were all hyped and giddy that they were going to get CP3. But just like us they're getting rejected because Stern wants to rob a team senselessly for everything they've got.

The Clippers are done with CP3.

Claiming C.B proves that.

Here....... Bledsoe, Gordon, Foye, Butler, Mo Williams, Billups at the G positions. So why would they need CP3 now.

[Jetset]

him including Orl as still a viable option is totally going to delay this process until end of the season IMO.....Orl still see hope and they wont trade Howard unless its their last resort ALA Kobe when he demanded out.

Agreed. At this point it doesn't make sense for Orl to trade Howard given the conflicting messages he's been sending out lately or at least the conflicting rumors coming from his camp. From Orl's standpoint there's now a good chance that he stays with them if they can somehow improve their roster this year or perhaps just get rid of Otis Smith. Not to mention the money that Howard stands to lose if he becomes a free agent. You now have to at least wait until the trade deadline to make any decisions about Dwight. Amazingly enough I think we now have a better chance of getting Paul than Howard, if we can get either one at all.

And how is Orlando supposed to make a big enough move when their only trade pieces are Nelson, Reddick, and Anderson?

[doobee]

I think it's hilarious that Clipper fans were all hyped and giddy that they were going to get CP3. But just like us they're getting rejected because Stern wants to rob a team senselessly for everything they've got.

The Clippers are done with CP3.

Claiming C.B proves that.

Here....... Bledsoe, Gordon, Foye, Butler, Mo Williams, Billups at the G positions. So why would they need CP3 now.

they want to send one of these guards to NO in CP3 deal.

[TonyMontana]

Agreed. At this point it doesn't make sense for Orl to trade Howard given the conflicting messages he's been sending out lately or at least the conflicting rumors coming from his camp. From Orl's standpoint there's now a good chance that he stays with them if they can somehow improve their roster this year or perhaps just get rid of Otis Smith. Not to mention the money that Howard stands to lose if he becomes a free agent. You now have to at least wait until the trade deadline to make any decisions about Dwight. Amazingly enough I think we now have a better chance of getting Paul than Howard, if we can get either one at all.

The magic cannot make any major moves this year. Orlando Magic’s payroll narrows the team’s options to signing decent players around Howard. So no matter what Howard says around the cameras reality is that there is no way Otis or the Magic are going to be able to add a good supporting cast around Howard. Its impossible to do that.

Lie all you want in front of the cameras and the media, but if Howard wants to win a title and be a contender then he needs to leave to a team that can add a supporting cast to win a title.

Nets dont have what it takes and the only team out there is the Lakers. They don’t have a lot of flexibility. Nets or the Magic dont have young players with high upside nor do they have draft picks to get such a deal done?

Howard, Arenas, Hedo, three players alone take up the bulk of your salary. They’re at $76 million.
You got Arenas amnesty but he will receive about $62 million over the next seasons. The Magic will pay all of that unless a team makes a bid on him in a modified waiver.Using the amnesty clause means that Arenas' remaining salary will come of off the team's salary-cap and luxury tax totals immediately.

So how are they going to add any talent around Howard. They are not. Howard is good as gone. Maybe not now but at the end of the season for sure.

[TommyTheCat]

Agreed. At this point it doesn't make sense for Orl to trade Howard given the conflicting messages he's been sending out lately or at least the conflicting rumors coming from his camp. From Orl's standpoint there's now a good chance that he stays with them if they can somehow improve their roster this year or perhaps just get rid of Otis Smith. Not to mention the money that Howard stands to lose if he becomes a free agent. You now have to at least wait until the trade deadline to make any decisions about Dwight. Amazingly enough I think we now have a better chance of getting Paul than Howard, if we can get either one at all.

The magic cannot make any major moves this year. Orlando Magic’s payroll narrows the team’s options to signing decent players around Howard. So no matter what Howard says around the cameras reality is that there is no way Otis or the Magic are going to be able to add a good supporting cast around Howard. Its impossible to do that.

Lie all you want in front of the cameras and the media, but if Howard wants to win a title and be a contender then he needs to leave to a team that can add a supporting cast to win a title.

Nets dont have what it takes and the only team out there is the Lakers. They don’t have a lot of flexibility. Nets or the Magic dont have young players with high upside nor do they have draft picks to get such a deal done?

Howard, Arenas, Hedo, three players alone take up the bulk of your salary. They’re at $76 million.
You got Arenas amnesty but he will receive about $62 million over the next seasons. The Magic will pay all of that unless a team makes a bid on him in a modified waiver.Using the amnesty clause means that Arenas' remaining salary will come of off the team's salary-cap and luxury tax totals immediately.

So how are they going to add any talent around Howard. They are not. Howard is good as gone. Maybe not now but at the end of the season for sure.

i agree with that. orlando's between a rock and a hard place. people are just saying the right things pr wise in orlando but dwight will be moved and the lakers will have the best package. i just hope bynum stays healthy until that happens.

[TonyMontana]

I think it's hilarious that Clipper fans were all hyped and giddy that they were going to get CP3. But just like us they're getting rejected because Stern wants to rob a team senselessly for everything they've got.

The Clippers are done with CP3.

Claiming C.B proves that.

Here....... Bledsoe, Gordon, Foye, Butler, Mo Williams, Billups at the G positions. So why would they need CP3 now.

they want to send one of these guards to NO in CP3 deal.

Like who??

C.B cant be traded until July 1st. Mo Williams is probably going to be amnesty/waived to make room for Chauncey Billups.
Billups is probably projected to be the starter, while Eric Bledsoe recovers from a knee injury.

The Clippers are over CP3. the came to the reality that as long as Stern and the owners are involved with NO that no one will be able to trade for CP3 unless they sign an allstar like Melo/Wade/Kobe etc.

Phil Jackson did address this last year about what a cluster **** the NO are going to be once the owners take over that team and everybody laughed at him........ WHOs laughing now.

[Free Rider]

And how is Orlando supposed to make a big enough move when their only trade pieces are Nelson, Reddick, and Anderson?

They probably can't but why trade him now when you still have a slight chance of keeping him. Perhaps Dwight realizes this and he's banking on their failure to improve as a pretext for him leaving. That way instead of being the guy who fled to LA or Brooklyn for the limelight, he's the guy who left because his team was too incompetent to surround him with solid players. Either way the amiguity gives Orl the breathing room to figure things out before at least the trade deadline.

[Gek]

And how is Orlando supposed to make a big enough move when their only trade pieces are Nelson, Reddick, and Anderson?

They probably can't but why trade him now when you still have a slight chance of keeping him. Perhaps Dwight realizes this and he's banking on their failure to improve as a pretext for him leaving. That way instead of being the guy who fled to LA or Brooklyn for the limelight, he's the guy who left because his team was too incompetent to surround him with solid players. Either way the amiguity gives Orl the breathing room to figure things out before at least the trade deadline.

LeBron tried that.

[BEazy]

So Lakers maybe signing Josh McRoberts. The dude has crazy hops and plays defense around the rim very well. I'd love this guy on our team.

[Kilroy]

Could McRoberts be the center-piece of a new run at CP3?

[Jetset]

Centerpiece?

Probably just for roster depth lol.

[TonyMontana]

Could McRoberts be the center-piece of a new run at CP3?

Personally I think the CP3 deal is like Justin Timberlake and T.Is song........ DEAD AND GONE...

I dont see anybody else going after him. Also I forgot to mention on my last post. Cp3 said that he will sign a 5 year deal with only LA no other team only a two year if he gets traded to Clippers etc. So that makes it harder for Clippers and other teams to trade away so much for a player thats only going to sign a 2 year deal.

But again I think CP3 is dead and gone.

We need to focus on D12 and I promise Mitch and Otis are working on it.

It sort of reminds us how we were when Shaq wanted to leave LA. We took a big chance with Lamar Grant and Butler. We ate Grants contract traded away Butler and sat around while Lamar took 4 years to become a bench player and here we are today, so maybe Orlando needs to take the same chance and see what happens cause honestly they dont have another choice.

[Free Rider]

And how is Orlando supposed to make a big enough move when their only trade pieces are Nelson, Reddick, and Anderson?

They probably can't but why trade him now when you still have a slight chance of keeping him. Perhaps Dwight realizes this and he's banking on their failure to improve as a pretext for him leaving. That way instead of being the guy who fled to LA or Brooklyn for the limelight, he's the guy who left because his team was too incompetent to surround him with solid players. Either way the amiguity gives Orl the breathing room to figure things out before at least the trade deadline.

LeBron tried that.

No he didn't. Lebron kept his team completely in the dark and then announced his decision on a live show on ESPN. He then participated in a championship parade before he ever played a single game in Miami. The day Dwight does that is the day he loses all sympathy from those who realize how horrible Orl's management has been.

And by the way, I'm not saying Orl won't move him, I'm just saying they won't move him now because Dwight has given them a lifeline for the time being. They have a chance, no matter how small, to convince him to stay. If they can't make the needed changes then they're back to where they started. If you're Orl, why not use the extra time and see what happens?

[TonyMontana]

LeBron tried that.

No he didnt.

No he didn't. Lebron kept his team completely in the dark and then announced his decision on a live show on ESPN. He then participated in a championship parade before he ever played a single game in Miami. The day Dwight does that is the day he loses all sympathy from those who realize how horrible Orl's management has been.?

I agree with you a 100%

And by the way, I'm not saying Orl won't move him, I'm just saying they won't move him now because Dwight has given them a lifeline for the time being. They have a chance, no matter how small, to convince him to stay. If they can't make the needed changes then they're back to where they started. If you're Orl, why not use the extra time and see what happens?

They dont have any pieces to add talent to their current lineup and then they'll watch Howard ride into the sunset with his middle finger in the air just like Shaq did.