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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part VII) 

Post#281 » by EasternMagic » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:19 pm

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Nemesis21 wrote:ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Wolves have long believed that Luke Ridnour has ample trade value ... and he must judging by the way Team PG is going after new guards



We need a back up PG, get us Ridnour.


for the right price (say... Q+Liggins or something) I'd be down with Ridnour

Our rookies can't be traded for 90 days, I think, after their signings. Wouldn't want to trade either of them for Luke Ridnour anyways...
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part VII) 

Post#282 » by ADRajX » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:19 pm

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i kno lol if i wouldve posted at this rate since 2003 or whenever id have 100000 posts by now

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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part VII) 

Post#283 » by Driguez » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:20 pm

If Paul ends up in GS, do they keep Ellis?
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Post#284 » by rcklsscognition » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:20 pm

I would really be suspicious if we don't use the MLE for a backup center. Not only is Orton not ready, but Glen is not who we want playing backup center no matter how many minutes it is a game. I think we should be happy to have a Glen/Ryan 4 and not get greedy and try to move people out of position.
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part VII) 

Post#285 » by SEBAS-07 » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:21 pm

SubyWill wrote:I have a strong feeling, we're not going to do anything major at all.


We just gotta hope the same team from last year steps their game up.


I don't expect any major trades or any big moves from the Magic.


If we go into the season with the same roster, we might as well trade Howard. Otis has to go I don`t trust that man at all.
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part VII) 

Post#286 » by jadewbj » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:21 pm

SubyWill wrote:I have a strong feeling, we're not going to do anything major at all.


We just gotta hope the same team from last year steps their game up.


I don't expect any major trades or any big moves from the Magic.

We have way to many guards on our team for them not to make a move of some sort.
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Post#287 » by Driguez » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:21 pm

Driguez wrote:If Paul ends up in GS, do they keep Ellis?



Nevermind, brain fart. Was thinking Clips.
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part VII) 

Post#288 » by papa_clipse » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:21 pm

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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part VII) 

Post#289 » by Darth Magic » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:22 pm

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jamesgrenard wrote:Magic do anything yet? Or is Otis still sitting around watching everyone else improve?

It is frustrating to watch moves get made and us doing nothing. It sucks too because it seems like when we do hear about something we are interested in it goes out to early and it blows up in our faces.


I think we have made smart moves. There was no one out there that was gonna dramatically improve our team. Our best way to get significantly better is through trade and unless we get someone like Monta, a trade doesn't help. Right now we have a roster of players who have some chemistry and we should be winning some games with this line up.
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part VII) 

Post#290 » by rcklsscognition » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:23 pm

Driguez wrote:If Paul ends up in GS, do they keep Ellis?


Don't see the point of them acquiring Paul. I don't know though, NO still only has 6 players on their roster.
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part VII) 

Post#291 » by Darth Magic » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:24 pm

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Driguez wrote:If Paul ends up in GS, do they keep Ellis?


Don't see the point of them acquiring Paul. I don't know though, NO still only has 6 players on their roster.


they signed 9 d leaugers.
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part VII) 

Post#292 » by MitchellUK » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:24 pm

SubyWill wrote:I have a strong feeling, we're not going to do anything major at all.


We just gotta hope the same team from last year steps their game up.


I don't expect any major trades or any big moves from the Magic.


I don't know, after all that's happened, keeping Dwight is a pretty major move. I don't doubt that we'll make more changes between now and the trade deadline, and hopefully Dwight won't be one of them.

Still, our offseason hasn't been entirely quiet. No, there hasn't been a huge splash, but:

Added Davis and Wafer, Hughes and Pruitt
Signed our rookies Liggins and Harper (and basically got a third rookie in Orton)
Re-signed J-Rich to a decent deal (less than 1/2 what he was previously being paid. Almost can't believe Otis managed that)
Amnestied Gilbert.

Not the worst offseason Otis has had (if you ignore the Dwight speculation).
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part VII) 

Post#293 » by BelgianMagic » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:24 pm

jamesgrenard wrote:Magic do anything yet? Or is Otis still sitting around watching everyone else improve?

Well, I'm not sure, but I think this comes close to what Otis is doing right now:
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part VII) 

Post#294 » by Darth Magic » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:25 pm

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Bad knee news: Lakers PF Derrick Caracter injured a knee in yesterday's practice. He's getting medical tests now. Might be serious. More TBA



Lakers trade assets dropping like flies...
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part VII) 

Post#295 » by papa_clipse » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:26 pm

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papa_clipse wrote:Mike_Bresnahan Mike Bresnahan
Bad knee news: Lakers PF Derrick Caracter injured a knee in yesterday's practice. He's getting medical tests now. Might be serious. More TBA



Lakers trade assets dropping like flies...


If they are shopping Gasol whos is their PF?
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part VII) 

Post#296 » by Rick Rolled » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:27 pm

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@jrich23 said Dwight's situation played role into his decision to re-sign in ORL: "There's a slim chance," JRich said about Dwight staying.
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part VII) 

Post#297 » by Darth Magic » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:27 pm

@jrich23 said Dwight's situation played role into his decision to re-sign in ORL: "There's a slim chance," JRich said about Dwight staying.
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part VII) 

Post#298 » by MitchellUK » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:27 pm

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Darth Magic wrote:
papa_clipse wrote:Mike_Bresnahan Mike Bresnahan
Bad knee news: Lakers PF Derrick Caracter injured a knee in yesterday's practice. He's getting medical tests now. Might be serious. More TBA



Lakers trade assets dropping like flies...


If they are shopping Gasol whos is their PF?


They're on the verge of signing Josh McRoberts.
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part VII) 

Post#299 » by The-Dawson » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:29 pm

Only a slim chance...
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part VII) 

Post#300 » by dsg2021 » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:29 pm

Quick! Everyone go the Millenia mall and run around looking for Ellis :lol:

But more seriously, I REALLY think Nelson AND Ellis would be a more effective backcourt for offense. I think Nelson is a true scorer and efficient shooter at any time, scoring at will only at times* but still, and with Ellis, we'd have two of that true scorers.

But if we really do get Ellis without Nelson, I still see J Rich hitting those clutch shots and going for more drives with Ellis, and I would love Ellis playing the PG 30+ minutes. That would allow SVG to stop working so hard to fit him in and running all kinds of SG plays for him, and just let Ellis be Ellis, the scorer with some PG handles playing the point and making the team mesh with him good.

Call me crazy but this is how I'd want my team to be since I'm hearing Liggins is impressing and we had our best seasons with a defender in SG/SF to disrupt, and Harper adjusted well after starting euro ball so he'd probably do the same curve in the NBA with a meaningful rotation spot.

Ellis/Duhon/Hughes/Pruitt
Liggins/Q Rich/Wafer
J Rich/Turk/Clark
Davis/Harper/Clark
Dwight/Biedrins/Orton

J Rich, Q Rich, and Liggins are all listed 6'6. The collective height of starter SFs is around 6'7 - 6'8, but there are plenty of examples of 6'6 and 6'9 SFs. Turk is 6'10 but the other big minutes SF has been Q Rich who did decent despite 6'6. Barnes was 6'7. I read Hollinger's profile on J Rich's bad defense, but he noted he did a much better job with the SF position on D. Liggins is also the same height as Q Rich is. So if Im SVG, Im working the defensive angles here like he's known to do, I know he loves Turk, but I really think he has to 6th man/lower minutes of either Turk or J Rich for the defensive line ups we had before with CLee, Bogans, AJ, Alston on the perimeter.

Play Ellis on PGs bc he is quick and its actually more of a hide position against the other contenders anyways so he saves energy while still playing Magic D. I'd throw Hughes/Pruitt/Duhon as the backup PG depending who's playing good D and having the best statistical team +/-.

Play Liggins and Q Rich who are plus defenders on SGs/SFs the whole game (Wafer is also quite athletic, may surprise with dual defense/offense, and I'd hope for one more defender via FA/trade who is more effective than Q Rich). The line between SG/SF on the team is blurred. On offense, J Rich and Turk would be sought for possessions no matter what regardless of their "position," but on defense, SVG will be having a Liggins/Q Rich rotation cross matching the whole game on the opposing best scorers.

Davis is PF starter, who I'm 90% sure is going to increase our defense more than Bass and Ryan did. As stats and Hollinger noted, I would not seek him out for offense as much as we did with Bass, but otherwise, he's going to be a huge plus with his bigger body and defense than any Magic PF before. I see either Clark or Harper taking backup PF. They're both combo Fs but this roster needs backup PF and both will do good I think.

Dwight is the center of it all of course for the offense and defense. Biedrins is the backup C/twin towers that we once had with Gortat, maybe not as much with defense, but definetly with rebounds and height and smart veteran play. He's basically the new best backup C since he's been a starter usually. Orton is there to try and steal minutes from backup PF/C if he impresses. He might do that with tougher D than Biedrins but Biedrins will probably be too veteran savvy to let Orton steal minutes.


So in the end, we have a lineup where Ellis is doing his own thing as PG, impressing his mark on the team and meshing with them. I know he's not an efficient star like Carmelo, LBJ, Kobe, but he has his own play to make points off his own dribble just like the rest of the stars, and Ellis has the pprating and assists to play like a real PG too. This is something incredible considering the points and impact we'll continue having from the always improving Dwight and the lack of anything like Ellis in terms of self created perimeter offense. We have J Rich and Turk for those other big shots and plays, but in my mind, I want SVG throwing Liggins into bigger minutes and a starting spot to bring back a disruptive defensive force on the perimeter just like we do on the low post and roam with Dwight. I think Davis and Clark or Harper will impress with us for some extra defense and occasional offense.

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