Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford?

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JCrossover Jamal Crawford
There's pro's and cons about the remaining teams I could be playing for this year..#confused

At least he's still considering us?

You mean there is a chance?

[ibraheim718]

If all Jamal can do is dribble then toney can't do anything,

Last year Douglas had a statistically significantly higher assist rate (21.5 to 17.5), he had a statistically significantly lower TO rate (7.8 to 10.6), and he has a statistically significantly higher rebounding rate (7.1 to 3.4).

And while there is some debate as to Douglas' defensive production, I think it a safe assumption that Douglas is the much better player on D.

Douglas also shot from a higher percentage than Crawford from three point range.

Crawford does two things demonstratively better than Douglas, he gets into the paint for more close-range shots (for a superior overall shooting %) and gets fouled more often.

Those are relevant, important skills, no doubt, but I don't think it offsets Douglas' superior production in all those other areas in the landslide some would have you believe.

There are metrics by which Douglas was the more overall productive player last season, and the good news is he's just a third year player who we know played through a shoulder injury last season.

Crawford is largely state of the art.

Just forget about all the statistics for one moment and answer me one question:

Why couldn't TD get the team into the offensive sets efficiently (you know with substantial time left on the shot clock) enough last year and not at all in the playoffs last year?

The way I see it is I don't care how productive a PG is as long as he can do what a PG is supposed to do which is run the offense and pressure the ball without reaching.

[Starbury316]

Crazy how the thought of jamal coming back has gotten a 100+ page thread going

[Knckles]

He isn't coming bak money talks just like with Shawne.

[towelie]

I think the thing nobody's just coming out and saying is this:

The reason that Jamal Crawford -- for all his other strengths and weaknesses -- is such a lightning rod with Knicks fans is that epitomizes the part of D'Antoni many fans hate, and he reminds all of us of a time that's better forgotten.

That said, if the price is right, of course you nab him. He's undeniably talented at a position of need. But of all the fan bases in the world, you can expect a lot of resistance from Knicks fans because a lot of people are fed up with moar threes, and nobody wants anything to do with the Isiah Thomas Dark Ages.

Of course if he wants to come here for just our $2.5M exception, bring him on board. We're not giving up anything.

But a lot of this thread had to do with the debate on whether we should S&T for Jamal, giving up Toney Douglas, or worse, Landry Fields for him. This latter point is probably moot anyway since Atlanta doesn't want to take back any salary.

[cgmw]

Crazy how the thought of jamal coming back has gotten a 100+ page thread going

There's also been a slow drip of Jamal Crawford "news" for the last five days. Weird how this is becoming so drawn out when training camps have already started. Watch teams with a lot of returning players under contract do considerably better than teams with turnover, especially early in the season.

Philly, for example, is off and running with full practices, no distractions, and exactly the same core. Boston too.

The biggest thing about this Jamal Crawford situation for me is: SH*T OR GET OFF THE POT! Let's get a move on, already. Half-empty practices are no good.

[NewEra]

I wouldn't be against Jamal coming back as 6th man. Back when he was here, he was sort of a go to guy. That was a problem, because he took on the role of a star and attempted to do star like things which didn't work for him and was hurtful to us. Coming back to a team with legit star players, he'd be a role player and spark off the bench. There will be times when Amare/Melo will probably be injured or need rest and having a pure scorer in Jamal who can create for himself wouldn't hurt. There's a reason he's always in the running for 6th man of the year. That's his nitch. I support his return in the role of 6th man 100%.

[DowNY]

Crazy how the thought of jamal coming back has gotten a 100+ page thread going

There's also been a slow drip of Jamal Crawford "news" for the last five days. Weird how this is becoming so drawn out when training camps have already started. Watch teams with a lot of returning players under contract do considerably better than teams with turnover, especially early in the season.

Philly, for example, is off and running with full practices, no distractions, and exactly the same core. Boston too.

The biggest thing about this Jamal Crawford situation for me is: SH*T OR GET OFF THE POT! Let's get a move on, already. Half-empty practices are no good.

We only had one half empty practice and that was day one. Everyone else who contributed last year is back and been practicing with the exception of Shawne Williams.

[cgmw]

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Fair enough, but there's already very little time as it is. I'm anxious for Grunwald to finish up his moves already. This group had very little time to adjust last season, and even less right now. The Knicks will benefit from added talent, yeah. But at some point (hopefully soon), you've got to pick a group and let them work.

[NYMNYKFN10]

NYPost_Berman Marc Berman
Told report Jamal Crawford got a two-year offer for 10 mill from Indy is overstated.

[kingofk1ngs]

Chris_Broussard
Jamal Crawford weighing offers from NYK, Portland, Indiana, Sac and Minnesota, sources say

[Red Vines]

Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
Jamal Crawford weighing offers from NYK, Portland, Indiana, Sac and Minnesota, sources say

Marc Berman
NYPost_Berman Marc Berman
Told report Jamal Crawford got a two-year offer for 10 mill from Indy is overstated.

If he's thinking about, we got 'em. It's like when you asked your parents if you could do something when you were a kid, if they even hesitated to think about it you knew they'd say yes. Craw loves the Knicks.

[Pharmcat]

how much longer does this drag out?

[mike_ill-bby]

Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
Jamal Crawford weighing offers from NYK, Portland, Indiana, Sac and Minnesota, sources say

Marc Berman
NYPost_Berman Marc Berman
Told report Jamal Crawford got a two-year offer for 10 mill from Indy is overstated.

If he's thinking about, we got 'em. It's like when you asked your parents if you could do something when you were a kid, if they even hesitated to think about it you knew they'd say yes. Craw loves the Knicks.

God i hope you're right. I view him as the missing piece.

[Invictus]

the longer this draws out, the more i'm leaning towards acquiring crawful.

if crawford comes, can we still sign purp via vet's min? Not saying would he take it...but is it still technically poss?

[Pharmcat]

the longer this draws out, the more i'm leaning towards acquiring crawful.

if crawford comes, can we still sign purp via vet's min? Not saying would he take it...but is it still technically poss?

yea but he wont take it

hes got better offers out there

[god shammgod]

how much longer does this drag out?

shawne wants a decision by tomorrow. i think if crawford is still undecided then we just move on. tomorrow should be the last day.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
Jamal Crawford weighing offers from NYK, Portland, Indiana, Sac and Minnesota, sources say

Marc Berman
NYPost_Berman Marc Berman
Told report Jamal Crawford got a two-year offer for 10 mill from Indy is overstated.

If he's thinking about, we got 'em. It's like when you asked your parents if you could do something when you were a kid, if they even hesitated to think about it you knew they'd say yes. Craw loves the Knicks.

God i hope you're right. I view him as the missing piece.

The missing piece to what? We still need a point guard.

[suicidedeuce]

Why couldn't TD get the team into the offensive sets efficiently (you know with substantial time left on the shot clock) enough last year and not at all in the playoffs last year?

The way I see it is I don't care how productive a PG is as long as he can do what a PG is supposed to do which is run the offense and pressure the ball without reaching.

But Jamal Crawford isn't a pure PG either, so not sure how this question is relevant to the comparison.

But if you'd like to make it simply a referendum on Douglas, okay.

For one, I'd like to see some evidence that this visual observation of TD's lack of PG skills showed itself in the Knicks production while he was on the floor.

In the areas it mattered, Knicks actually outscoring the opponent and W/L. I don't tend to respond well arguments based on visual impressions.

That said, IMO it's also relevant that TD was a second year player, playing the position that perhaps has the deepest learning curve of any in the league.

I don't think he's ever going to become a pure, PG with the vision of top guys like Kidd, Nash, Paul, etc.

But I also don't think he's done getting better, and even if he never becomes a solid pure point, I think his value is likely under-appreciated as a combo guard.

As was my point, you can make a strong argument Douglas had the better year then JC overall.

I think fan's lack of patience and frustration over the fact he's not a pure PG and has struggled in certain aspects makes them overlook he does some things pretty well, again, especially for a second year player.

[Pharmcat]

how much longer does this drag out?

shawne wants a decision by tomorrow. i think if crawford is still undecided then we just move on. tomorrow should be the last day.

ugh

so distracting

want answers asap lol