Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2

[FluLikeSymptoms]

I like the idea of the tier system Chad Ford has talked about a few times. Where you put players in tiers, and if prospects are in the same tier, then you consider need - But you never take player in a lower tier because of need.

Always looked at it this way, kind of like the high school star system. BPA is a myth within tiers so take the guy who is going to play. We're only really concerned with the first two tiers, hopefully.

Tier 1:

Davis
Drummond
Lamb

Tier 2:

PJ3
MKG
Barnes
Cody Zeller
Beal

Bubble:

Quincy Miller
TJones
Kendall Marshall
Wroten
Henson
Ross

[Undefeated]

Not surprised. I've been bigging up Wroten from time on this board. Him and Ross look to be HUGE sleepers for me.

Yessir. I see Tony Wroten Jr. having a little bit of John Wall in him. Both possess tremendous body control, and their ability to get to the basket in a straight linear drive are very similar .

[BigBaller]

QUINCY MILLER!

[BigBaller]

What has Beal done? If you think drafting Lamb is not a good fit with DeRozan. How do you justify selecting Beal? lol

I know Beal has a great skillset but Lamb is performing well.

How could one say Lamb is overhyped? I was on the Barnes wagon before but he seems more like an above average role player to me.

I want neither Bradley Beal nor Jeremy Lamb. My top choices are Quincy Miller and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist who are able to create for themselves and their teammates which the Raptors sorely need. Jeremy Lamb isn't the type to create for his teammates which I don't want.

Kidd-Gilchrist is more defensive oriented though. We need scorer from 3 position, especilly if were picking in top 5.

[BigBaller]

I like the idea of the tier system Chad Ford has talked about a few times. Where you put players in tiers, and if prospects are in the same tier, then you consider need - But you never take player in a lower tier because of need

My tiers would look like

Jeremy Lamb
Anthony Davis

Jared Sullinger
Perry Jones III
Andre Drummond
Thomas Robinson
John Henson
Terrence Ross
Meyers Leonard

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Harrison Barnes
Austin Rivers
Bradley Beal
Quincy Miller
Cody Zeller
Will Barton
Patric Young

I believe our needs go SF, PG, PF, C, SG. So with that in mind I'd go

1. Anthony Davis
2. Jeremy Lamb

3-5: Perry Jones III/Jared Sullinger/Thomas Robinson
6-9: Andre Drummond/John Henson/Meyers Leonard
10. Terrance Ross

11-13: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Harrison Barnes, Quincy Miller

Do not draft Jeremy Lamb please

Only players the Raps should draft if we're picking top 5. Davis, Drummond, Miller

[BigBaller]

Drummond's only shooting 33% from the line?!

yes, it's ugly to watch too. his release is ugly as hell, he literally pushes the ball off of his hands.

Def needs to improve that. He is not even on Shaq level. Yes, I did just say that. SHAQ LEVEL

[ty123]

Kabongo looks very good at getting to the line, he has a 0.93 FTA/FGA.

Texas is playing at 8PM tonight

Thats good, we need some more players that can get there.

[ty123]

Q Miller all day.

[Undefeated]

Kidd-Gilchrist is more defensive oriented though. We need scorer from 3 position, especilly if were picking in top 5.

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist is certainly more defensive oriented, but he can also score when needed. The last two games against UNC and Indiana, Terrence Jones had his disappearing act and it was Kidd-Gilchrist who stepped up scoring 17 and 18 points a piece respectively. With Terrence Jones, Doron Lamb, and Marquis Teague dominating the ball majority of the time, he doesn't get to show off his offense. Lately though, he's been showing he has a nice dribble-drive game and can go coast-to-coast by himself after bringing down the rebound. Once he develops a consistent jumpshot, his offense should be something to look out for.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Kidd-Gilchrist isn't a very good shot-creator or distributor at this stage. He gets most of his buckets by being active and opportunistic. Sure, there have been some nice drives he's executed on occasion, but those have mostly been as a result of him taking advantage of what the defense has given him. His handle isn't anything special, he's also not all that athletic in comparison to NBA wings. And his jump shot is non-existant. He can sometimes hit a 3 if the defense will let him (and they always do). He might end up being closer to an Artest than a Pippen, though.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

Kidd-Gilchrist... might end up being closer to an Artest than a Pippen

Good call.

[Myth111]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog/_/n ... -prospects

Does anyone want to be No. 1?

Kentucky's Anthony Davis (Top 100 Rank: 1) is still the consensus No. 1 pick in the draft, but he's struggled in two straight big games versus North Carolina and Indiana. In each case Davis couldn't really get anything going offensively. Defensively he's been his dominant self (with the exception of some foul trouble against the Hoosiers). So can a guy who has some serious limitations on the offensive end really go No. 1? Let's just put it this way: I polled a number of top NBA execs over the weekend after the Indiana game, and Davis was still No. 1 on all of their boards.

Davis isn't the only top prospect that's struggling. North Carolina's Harrison Barnes (Rank: 2) is scoring the basketball -- but he's doing it all through jump shots. He lacks buckets at the rim, doesn't trust his handle, has a horrendous assist ratio (just 5 percent of Barnes' possessions end in an assist) and isn't rebounding (just 6.9 percent of missed shots). Those factors are all causing some alarm. If Barnes is just a jump shooter ... is he really worth a pick this high? A few GMs have Perry Jones, Jeremy Lamb and even Michael Kidd-Gilchrist ranked higher. We're not moving him off No. 2 yet, but he's in a tenuous position.

UConn's Andre Drummond (Rank: 3) is off to an even slower start. While he shows flashes of athleticism and an ability to dominate the game on both ends, he also displays bouts of serious mediocrity -- like his one-point, one-rebound performance against Arkansas. If Davis or Barnes had done that, everyone would be squawking.

As I wrote a couple of weeks ago, that creates a big opening for Baylor's Jones (Rank: 4). Jones has played very well in his two games back for the Bears. He hasn't really been tested yet, but if he can show the type of aggressiveness he showed in his first two outings, the talent is easily there to justify the No. 2 pick.

Stock Check

• For the first few months of the season we've had two freshmen -- Kentucky's Marquis Teague (Rank: 22) and Texas' Myck Kabongo (Rank: 23) -- as our top two ranked point guards in the country. That's about to change.

A number of NBA scouts and GMs now feel like Washington's Tony Wroten (Rank: 19) might be the best NBA point guard prospect in college basketball. He's not putting up the scoring numbers of Damian Lillard (Rank: 60) or Casper Ware (Rank: 99). Nor can he match the assist totals of Scott Machado (Rank: 34) or Kendall Marshall (Rank: 31).

But Wroten is the real deal. He's tall, has eyes in the back of his head, can get to the basket at will and, when he's focused, he can take over a game. His second-half performance against Duke on Saturday was, at times, special. He's still wild and tries to do too much, but it's rare to find a player with his size doing the things he does. Said one top NBA scout, "He's the second coming of Gary Payton." If that's true, then we have him about 15 spots too low on our Big Board.

[Tofubeque]

Looks like Wroten's not much of a secret anymore. I was hoping we would get another pick in the late first round and let him fall to us.

[fredericklove]

Looks like Wroten's not much of a secret anymore. I was hoping we would get another pick in the late first round and let him fall to us.

Dude is Tyreke Evans reborn! We definitely need to get another pick on this guy.

[Rapsfan07]

Man I hope he's on the board late and we trade for a pick.

I've been saying this guy reminds of Rondo. The lottery is stacked though and I don't see him in it but I think he's available #18-23

[IrMitchell]

The problem is it's still early and all the guys who don't deserve the high praise so far (there are many) will begin to drop.

[JamesNaismith]

If Wroten builds on this he will be in the late lotto

....where Teague or Kabongo were supposed to be.

[fredericklove]

Man I hope he's on the board late and we trade for a pick.

I've been saying this guy reminds of Rondo. The lottery is stacked though and I don't see him in it but I think he's available #18-23

Dude reminds me of Evans more than Roondo. Kabongo, on the other hand, is more Rondo-ish.

[fredericklove]

I heard Wroten plays bad defense and bad attitude. Is it true?

http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/tony-wrot ... t-analysis

[bboyskinnylegs]

Man I hope he's on the board late and we trade for a pick.

I've been saying this guy reminds of Rondo. The lottery is stacked though and I don't see him in it but I think he's available #18-23

Dude reminds me of Evans more than Roondo. Kabongo, on the other hand, is more Rondo-ish.

I see more of a poor man's John Wall than Evans personally, in terms of size as well as the similarity in their court vision/passing, and high turnover problems.