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Re: Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford? 

Post#1661 » by truth serum » Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:50 pm

NYK0605 wrote:SMH at this board already claiming this guy the next big thing. Ridiculous with this love for a guy who hasn't played a single NBA game yet.


And it's just as ridiculous to doubt him so much, bruh. All I know is that Donnie Walsh drafted him and D'Antoni has been praising him in training camp and touting him as someone we will rely on to score. That makes me excited. What makes you excited? Eating crow? Hope so...
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Post#1662 » by god shammgod » Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:50 pm

who knows what's true, but there was an earlier report that said indiana didn't offer that much.
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Post#1663 » by SRTtoZ » Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:59 pm

truth serum wrote:
NYK0605 wrote:SMH at this board already claiming this guy the next big thing. Ridiculous with this love for a guy who hasn't played a single NBA game yet.


And it's just as ridiculous to doubt him so much, bruh. All I know is that Donnie Walsh drafted him and D'Antoni has been praising him in training camp and touting him as someone we will rely on to score. That makes me excited. What makes you excited? Eating crow? Hope so...


I understand what you mean but statistically there's a better chance he turns out to be a normal/mediocre/OKAY player instead of a good/great player.
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Post#1664 » by TrueWarrior » Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:59 pm

I cant believe we're seriously debating Craw vs Purp.

For 2.5 mill Craw is turnpike robbery. He is by far the better player. And lets halt this conversation saying we have no backup forwards as a reason to sign Purp over him. Right now we dont have a bench at all, with only an unknown rookie Iman as the sole bright spot. While Toney and Landry are anything but sure things, and Bibby is bench fodder. Lets stop acting like Craw wouldnt fill a huge need himself. We just need players at this point, and a guy who can drop 20 any given night is always a plus.
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Post#1665 » by JayD » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:01 am

Call me crazy but I fail to see how Crawford helps us at all in our two most pressing needs: a distributor and defense
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Post#1666 » by SRTtoZ » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:01 am

TrueWarrior wrote:I cant believe we're seriously debating Craw vs Purp.

For 2.5 mill Craw is turnpike robbery. He is by far the better player. And lets halt this conversation saying we have no backup forwards as a reason to sign Purp over him. Right now we dont have a bench at all, with only an unknown rookie Iman as the sole bright spot. While Toney and Landry are anything but sure things, and Bibby is bench fodder. Lets stop acting like Craw wouldnt fill a huge need himself. We just need players at this point, and a guy who can drop 20 any given night is always a plus.


Lol +1

I am pretty sure most of us are completely IGNORING the people who want Purp over Crawford.
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Post#1667 » by mike_ill-bby » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:01 am

Knicker23 wrote:Don't be silly with the " I don't want Crawford if he'll take away Iman time!" stuff.... We haven't seen him play a single game... Nor are we a deep enough team to not find minutes for a young guy like him if he is worthy of them.

With all of Crawfords shortcomings in selection and defense, his potential to impact any given game is much greater imo than Shawne.. We are much more likely to win a game because of Crawfords offense than we are to lose one because he's defending and not Shawne.


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Post#1668 » by yaboynyp » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:01 am

truth serum wrote:
NYK0605 wrote:SMH at this board already claiming this guy the next big thing. Ridiculous with this love for a guy who hasn't played a single NBA game yet.


And it's just as ridiculous to doubt him so much, bruh. All I know is that Donnie Walsh drafted him and D'Antoni has been praising him in training camp and touting him as someone we will rely on to score. That makes me excited. What makes you excited? Eating crow? Hope so...


I don’t think it’s ridiculous to doubt an unproven player at all... Shumpert is a good player, he has a lot of potential but he is NOT a proven NBA scorer like Jamal is. Shumpert also would benefit from playing against (In practice) and watching a legit NBA 2 guard work.

This kind of stuff happens every year, each team over hypes their draft picks but when it comes down to it very few have an impact their first season. If Crawford wants to come here for the room exception he should be applauded and welcomed with open arms.
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Post#1669 » by JamesKPolk » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:02 am

Knicker23 is correct. It's why Jamal Crawford's offense has been to the playoffs a total of two times in his career.
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Post#1670 » by NYKNICKPLAYA » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:03 am


Why M-Wark goin down instead of Grunwald?

“We’d certainly love to get Jamal (Crawford) back here,” (Knicks’ interim president/GM Glen) Grunwald said during Monday’s annual, albeit scaled-down, media day in Greenburgh. “But we’ll see where that goes. That’s a situation that’s still developing.”

The Knicks are instead hoping to convince Crawford to accept their one-year deal with a bigger payday down the road. They even dispatched assistant general manager Mark Warkentien to Seattle, Crawford’s hometown, to speak one-on-one with the combo guard. The Blazers, Pacers and Timberwolves are all said to be interested in signing Crawford.
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Post#1671 » by ORANGEandBLUE » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:05 am

TrueWarrior wrote:I cant believe we're seriously debating Craw vs Purp.

For 2.5 mill Craw is turnpike robbery. He is by far the better player. And lets halt this conversation saying we have no backup forwards as a reason to sign Purp over him. Right now we dont have a bench at all, with only an unknown rookie Iman as the sole bright spot. While Toney and Landry are anything but sure things, and Bibby is bench fodder. Lets stop acting like Craw wouldnt fill a huge need himself. We just need players at this point, and a guy who can drop 20 any given night is always a plus.

The fact that we don't have a bench at all is even less reason to sign a guy who will only be here for a year. We're hurting our shots at winning a title in years where we actually have a shot at doing so in order to get better in a year where we don't have a shot.
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Post#1672 » by Thugger HBC » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:05 am

JamesKPolk wrote:Knicker23 is correct. It's why Jamal Crawford's offense has been to the playoffs a total of two times in his career.

Actually he was utilized correctly in Atlanta, and that team was a playoff team prior to him getting there.
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Post#1673 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:06 am

JayD wrote:Call me crazy but I fail to see how Crawford helps us at all in our two most pressing needs: a distributor and defense


He doesn't, but he gives us a spark off the bench (which, as of right now, we need) and he helps make our backcourt better. If he'll take the 2.5 million then that's great. Hopefully Baron gets bought out and he'd be willing to sign for he vet min.
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Post#1674 » by Thugger HBC » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:08 am

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TrueWarrior wrote:I cant believe we're seriously debating Craw vs Purp.

For 2.5 mill Craw is turnpike robbery. He is by far the better player. And lets halt this conversation saying we have no backup forwards as a reason to sign Purp over him. Right now we dont have a bench at all, with only an unknown rookie Iman as the sole bright spot. While Toney and Landry are anything but sure things, and Bibby is bench fodder. Lets stop acting like Craw wouldnt fill a huge need himself. We just need players at this point, and a guy who can drop 20 any given night is always a plus.

The fact that we don't have a bench at all is even less reason to sign a guy who will only be here for a year. We're hurting our shots at winning a title in years where we actually have a shot at doing so in order to get better in a year where we don't have a shot.


Actually you just stated why we SHOULD sign Crawford.

A guy who can put up 15-20 quick points while our big guns get a breather would be tremendous.

Right now who will do that off our projected bench?
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Post#1675 » by TrueWarrior » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:08 am

ORANGEandBLUE wrote:
TrueWarrior wrote:I cant believe we're seriously debating Craw vs Purp.

For 2.5 mill Craw is turnpike robbery. He is by far the better player. And lets halt this conversation saying we have no backup forwards as a reason to sign Purp over him. Right now we dont have a bench at all, with only an unknown rookie Iman as the sole bright spot. While Toney and Landry are anything but sure things, and Bibby is bench fodder. Lets stop acting like Craw wouldnt fill a huge need himself. We just need players at this point, and a guy who can drop 20 any given night is always a plus.


The fact that we don't have a bench at all is even less reason to sign a guy who will only be here for a year. We're hurting our shots at winning a title in years where we actually have a shot at doing so in order to get better in a year where we don't have a shot.


Who said its for one year? Isnt the room exemption for 2?

And dude, Shawne Williams is not going to get us any closer to a ring than Jamal, even for one year. Shawne is a solid 8th-9th man. Crawford is a top five 6th man.
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Post#1676 » by god shammgod » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:08 am

TrueWarrior wrote:I cant believe we're seriously debating Craw vs Purp.

For 2.5 mill Craw is turnpike robbery. He is by far the better player. And lets halt this conversation saying we have no backup forwards as a reason to sign Purp over him. Right now we dont have a bench at all, with only an unknown rookie Iman as the sole bright spot. While Toney and Landry are anything but sure things, and Bibby is bench fodder. Lets stop acting like Craw wouldnt fill a huge need himself. We just need players at this point, and a guy who can drop 20 any given night is always a plus.


he'll drop 20 on any given night and he'll drop 6 points, 2 assists and 5 turnovers in the next 3 games after.
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Post#1677 » by TrueWarrior » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:11 am

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TrueWarrior wrote:I cant believe we're seriously debating Craw vs Purp.

For 2.5 mill Craw is turnpike robbery. He is by far the better player. And lets halt this conversation saying we have no backup forwards as a reason to sign Purp over him. Right now we dont have a bench at all, with only an unknown rookie Iman as the sole bright spot. While Toney and Landry are anything but sure things, and Bibby is bench fodder. Lets stop acting like Craw wouldnt fill a huge need himself. We just need players at this point, and a guy who can drop 20 any given night is always a plus.


he'll drop 20 on any given night and he'll drop 6 points, 2 assists and 5 turnovers in the next 3 games after.


As opposed to Shawne's what? Hes lucky if he breaks double digits once every 5 games, and literally all he can do is shoot threes. HIs defense has also gotten crazy overrated.
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Post#1678 » by ORANGEandBLUE » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:12 am

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ORANGEandBLUE wrote:
TrueWarrior wrote:I cant believe we're seriously debating Craw vs Purp.

For 2.5 mill Craw is turnpike robbery. He is by far the better player. And lets halt this conversation saying we have no backup forwards as a reason to sign Purp over him. Right now we dont have a bench at all, with only an unknown rookie Iman as the sole bright spot. While Toney and Landry are anything but sure things, and Bibby is bench fodder. Lets stop acting like Craw wouldnt fill a huge need himself. We just need players at this point, and a guy who can drop 20 any given night is always a plus.


The fact that we don't have a bench at all is even less reason to sign a guy who will only be here for a year. We're hurting our shots at winning a title in years where we actually have a shot at doing so in order to get better in a year where we don't have a shot.


Who said its for one year? Isnt the room exemption for 2?

And dude, Shawne Williams is not going to get us any closer to a ring than Jamal, even for one year. Shawne is a solid 8th-9th man. Crawford is a top five 6th man.

If that's the case I revoke my argument completely. I'm just assuming Crawford is one and done. I think it's a somewhat safe assumption, because if he's hesitant to take $2.5m for one year why would he take it for two. If we can get his bird rights and keep him long-term then yeah I'd take him over Purp. I agree he's significantly better.

If he's one and done the way I look at is next season onward I'd rather have purp than a vet minimum signing.
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Post#1679 » by Knick Swisher » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:15 am

I prefer Purp over Crawford 10 times out of 10, but that doesn't mean Crawford at 2.5 isn't one of the best deals in the league.

I understand Purp holding out, I mean, why sign for the min when there's a possibility to make 2.5. I just pray if we sign Crawford, Purp will take the min. I just want Crawford to make up his friggin' mind already
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Post#1680 » by SRTtoZ » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:19 am

Did anyone actually WATCH our games last year? Did you see what our team looked like without Melo and Stat? Or when one of them was off on any given night? We looked god awful. Someone who can score like Crawford gives us that much more advantage every night.

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