Minnesota trade idea

[Superiorblogman]

Zaza + Hinrich + DEN 2nd to Clips

Nene to ATL

Kaman + Rolle + Warren + ATL 1st to DEN ( Rolle and warren could be consider as immediate of future cap space releif if not used)

Like I have suggested I think Kirk and Zaza for Kaman and Willie Warren would be a beautiful trade.

These trades aren't even in the realm of possibilities according to the Clips fans here, and I doubt they're in the realm of possibilities in real life either. I mean sure, it's would be a GREAT trade if LAC was willing to give us a starting C for a backup PG (and parts either way), but it's laughable to think they'd consider it. As for the fans here, many wouldn't do Kaman straight up for Smoove - so forth changing out and putting up a aging, mediocre PG (something they already have mind you) in place of the young, athletic big. No matter how much we love Zaza, he simply isn't a part that would significantly sway a deal either. He's a 'tweener big who shows up only every few games - there's not much draw there.

As for the actual NBA GM, once again - backup (or maybe even #3) PG for the expiring former AS big that you're using to go after CP3 - yeah... that deal is DOA.

Kirk Hinrich and 2nd round pick
to Minnesota for
Luke Ridnour and Anthony Tolliver

I'd think that both MIN and we would consider this deal. Ridnour was drafted by Sund in SEA and rumor is that he always liked him. Not a huge fan of Tolliver, but he does play a role that we seem to want and is physically able to do things in the low post that we need. From MIN's end, they can dump some salary and get a grizzled vet to help lead a young locker room.

There are ?'s to the deal though. From our end, can we loose our trove of cheap talent in the form of upcoming draft picks considering the salaries we have committed to JJ, Smoove, and Horford. Without the any production from these picks, can we expect to retain Teague and Smoove once they hit FA?

My bigger ? is from their end though. They built the current incarnation of the team around the 3PT shot. My guess is that Rubio is supposed to be the penetrator to open the perimeter for a deep group of 3 PT shooters. A quick glance at their roster shows they have 5 guys at 40% or above from 3 last year and Wesley Johnson was a rookie whose shooting % should rise. This wasn't a team with a LeBron or a Nash who's such a lethal penetrator that opposing D were constantly leaving their man to help nor was it a team with a D12 or a Shaq in his prime who are such large interior presences that opposing teams had to sag off their perimeter responsibilities in an attempt to stop the pass to the post - yet they were still nailing 3's at a very impressive clip. I don't doubt that MIN would trade Ridnour for Hinrich, the downgrade at the arc isn't that great and the rest of their games should give an advantage to Hinrich, but kicking in the only other big besides Love who can hit the 3 would be another matter entirely. I think they'd consider it, but in the end, I simply don't think they would.

So, just because bloggers don't like a trade it is not possible now?

[MaceCase]

The NBA 2 year Vet minimum is 840K.



what a tool.

[Superiorblogman]

The NBA 2 year Vet minimum is 840K.



what a tool.

Just give up dude you are not so bright. Any hold that would be put on us would be for Jason Collins or T-Mac they are both 2 year vet minimum players.

The name Superior makes you want to try and outsmart me so bad doesn't it. I see I am going to have great fun with you inferior one.

[evildallas]

I concede your point that if we get under the salary cap we can claim waived players. I didn't realize this was the goal of trading Zaza. However, it still doesn't address that more salary commitment for the Clippers undermines their negotiating ability because it increases the dollars they have to deal with to make a full max offer. Which was my original point that while I like the idea of acquiring Kaman that the Clippers wouldn't want to take on Zaza. Now that they have a stockpile of PGs I doubt that Hinrich holds any value for them. If Kaman had 2 years on his contract then converting him to expiring deals would probably be desirable to them, but as an expiring deal they can at worst just let him expire for cap space.

As far as the comment on Tolliver. It was a salary match attempt and another cheap asset. If he's not needed to make it work under the cap I'd be willing to do the swap straight up. I think we'll need the guard depth at the start of the season because you don't want to fall behind in a short season. If Hinrich was healthy I wouldn't have brought up the deal. He'd be part of the three guard rotation and possibly dealt at the deadline if a good deal was available.

[Superiorblogman]

Cool guys, I concede that I have to take into consideration salary holds which make no sense and I don't fully understand. I must do more research on salary holds because I see Houston has $47 million on books with only 11 players but they made a max offer to Gasol. I don't see how that is possible being there should be holds for 2 players and Gasol got a 4 year $58 mill deal. Even if the holds are for minimum players I don't see how that is possible. I must learn more about holds and admit it changes my original plan.

[theatlfan]

So, just because bloggers don't like a trade it is not possible now?

Reading comprehension, or at least the willingness to read, could be helpful to you...

[Devilanche]

Cool guys, I concede that I have to take into consideration salary holds which make no sense and I don't fully understand. I must do more research on salary holds because I see Houston has $47 million on books with only 11 players but they made a max offer to Gasol. I don't see how that is possible being there should be holds for 2 players and Gasol got a 4 year $58 mill deal. Even if the holds are for minimum players I don't see how that is possible. I must learn more about holds and admit it changes my original plan.

Minimum Salary cap is less than a million. Don't have the exact numbers but probably around 500k. It's only counted for 12 players (either under contract or cap hold + first rounders). Team would then have the higher of their existing cap space or the MLE/MMLE to spend on any free agents, with the amount acting as limits to their starting salary.

Not too sure about the Houston offer, I can't find an updated salary situation for Houston (they did amnesty Thabeet right?)

[D21]

Also, we have 2 2nd round picks and a 1st round pick. So, the holds you speak of for minimum cap players don't exist

It exists, but to be exact, I should have added that we would have to add at least the cap holds for minimum salary for each roster spot (for each under 12 spots), in the case we trade our picks to get the higher cap room we can get.

If we keep the picks, then it would make less minimum cap holds to add, but they would be replace by higher amount, so we would have less cap room.

I also forget to add that, added to renouce our FA rights, we would have to renounce our exceptions like MLE, BAE... as each exceptions is added to committed salaries and counts against the cap until you renounce it.


So in the best case, by trading our picks and if I made no errors as everybody can forget something or makes some errors :

19,752,645
13,200,000
12,000,000
02,433,077
04,000,000 (nearly 4M for 8 roster spot cap holds, certainly each around 500k or more in 2012-13)

total = almost 51.4M
we would also get the new exception of 2.5M for team under salary cap.


Regarding the HOU offer, I didn't look at the exact numbers, but the offer was certainly depending on the amnesty of a player, which didn't already happen because there's no interest to make it before being sure that the offer would be accepted.