Trying to put a positive feeling of the CP3/EJ deal

mike3 · Post #1 » by **mike3** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:09 am

My natural feeling right now is I'm pissed off but really looking at what we've done here, I don't think it's all that bad.

If im right CP3 (if the deal is as reported) has to stay a min of 2 years or something like that, we have a legit allstar combo of Griffin and CP3, imagine the other PG/Big man combo's that them alone have been successful? like Nash/Amare, I see these guys being incredible. We have the peices around them as well like Butler and Billups taking control offensively and Jordan defensively... we've got OK bench players with same trade options like Mo or to use him as a Jason Terry type 6th man... we've got plenty of offensive options I think. The only thing we need is a decent sg and backup center, if we can get something in those postions I'll be happy. We've never had someone at PG as good as CP3, lets focus on that, what players wouldn't want to be apart of the CP3/Griff show? I think more players might fancy going to the Clippers this season or after.

It's sad to see Gordon go and Mo will probably be pissed off as well but sometimes its got to go both ways, I know I sure as hell wouldnt of given up CP3 if i didnt get atleast ONE allstar callibar player in Gordon if I was the Hornets. I still think we did give up too much but lets hope it pays off. We've got the experience and still some youth on our roster, we've now got 4 players we can count on AT LEAST.. as opposed to having mediocre players like Kaman/Aminu etc. we now have guys we can count on... Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, Chauncey Billups, Caron Butler are 4 guys we can count on night in night out I believe. And then I think guys like DeAndre Jordan, Mo Williams and Bledsoe will have a new step in there game and will mostly be solid. I don't know if it's safe to say we've improved so i wont, I think we've improved for NOW which has the potential to greatly improve for the future but the future we have gone down a bit giving up EJ/minny pick BUT saying that, thats not certain yet as none of us have seen how CP3/Billups/Butler play together along with Blake/Jordan etc.

This is just my opinion and more just me trying to find a positive spin on this as I don't think one true Clipper fan is happy with giving up Eric Gordon.

Val Holliday · Post #2 » by **Val Holliday** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:18 am

Moronic trade for you guys, quite frankly. You already had 3 point guards. You sacrificed a cheaper, younger star, a good (when healthy) center, another solid young player on a rookie deal, and a probable top 5 pick. CP3 is great and all, but you had a legit foundation in place for long term success, had strong depth and trade flexibility. And they chose to blow it up so they can get off on Paul-to-Griffin alley-oops.

This team is probably gonna be fun to watch but isn't going anywhere when it really counts. Just my opinion.

Knightspeed · Post #3 » by **Knightspeed** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:27 am

EJ and Kaman would be closer to home

their families would be happier.

Starz · Post #4 » by **Starz** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:29 am

There's a chance that Paul might pulled a Boozer and leave in the offseason.

Post #5 » by **thanumba2clippersfan** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:33 am

This is supposed to be a positive thread, remember that people.

We do get, if not the best, one of the top PGs in the league. Paul has been my favorite PG. I wish nothing but the best to EJ. Hopefully Paul stays with us the rest of his career and is healthy.

Post #6 » by **mkwest** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:35 am

Starz wrote:There's a chance that Paul might pulled a Boozer and leave in the offseason.

We have him for at least 2 seasons. He opted into the last year of his contract.

mike3 · Post #7 » by **mike3** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:41 am

If we all just dwell on what 'could've been' then where just gonna go into the season pissed off despite having CP3 on our team... and we all could easily do that but honestly, where in an alright position, CP3 and Blake is where it starts, and with another SG (whether it be starting or 6th man behind Billups) and a backup C.. we'll be ok,

I'd like to keep Bledsoe and trade Mo if we have to for the SG, or we could just try to pick up a cheap SG.

DEEP3CL · Post #8 » by **DEEP3CL** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:46 am

Congrats Clipper fans....CP will be fantastic for you guys. See you guys on the 19TH.

RiversideClips · Post #9 » by **RiversideClips** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:46 am

A Lot of HATERS coming on "OUR" Board. Ironic, no one visited us before, now that we have got some great pickups (Great Job, Mr. Oshley) folks want to come to our house & tell us how stupid we are. I am thinking its shock, amazement & jealousy that people can't believe that STARS want to come to the Clips!
I am sad to see EJ & Kaman leave, they are both great team players & stand up guys. I wish them both luck!
As Ralph says.........."Fasten your Seatbelts" Clipper Nation!

Forte IV · Post #10 » by **Forte IV** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:49 am

We need a defensive 2 guard now. maybe Aaron Afflalo?

Post #11 » by **mkwest** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:14 am

Val Holliday wrote:Moronic trade for you guys, quite frankly. You already had 3 point guards. You sacrificed a cheaper, younger star, a good (when healthy) center, another solid young player on a rookie deal, and a probable top 5 pick. CP3 is great and all, but you had a legit foundation in place for long term success, had strong depth and trade flexibility. And they chose to blow it up so they can get off on Paul-to-Griffin alley-oops.

This team is probably gonna be fun to watch but isn't going anywhere when it really counts. Just my opinion.

Be happy, your team is now more likely than ever to get Gordon in free-agency.

adiedanny · Post #12 » by **adiedanny** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:24 am

RiversideClips wrote:A Lot of HATERS coming on "OUR" Board. Ironic, no one visited us before, now that we have got some great pickups (Great Job, Mr. Oshley) folks want to come to our house & tell us how stupid we are. I am thinking its shock, amazement & jealousy that people can't believe that STARS want to come to the Clips!
I am sad to see EJ & Kaman leave, they are both great team players & stand up guys. I wish them both luck!
As Ralph says.........."Fasten your Seatbelts" Clipper Nation!

Ok I know you are happy. No Mo as the starting 1 guard lol

Post #13 » by **mkwest** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:27 am

I don't think Mo has much to complain about now. He'll be getting minutes at both guard spots. He's more of a shooter/scorer than a distributer and will be able to play off ball, but still be a threat to set up his teammates. Billups, Foye, and Mo are all combo guards. We're straight at the 2 spot for at least this season.

There's some talk that the Clippers were concerned about securing Gordon's extension. If they didn't think they would be able to bring him back into the fold, then they may as well get some value for him now. I don't necessarily agree with that, but I would have hated to see us be cheap with him later on.

Paul is going to get more out of everyone. Baron was a great passer, but Paul is that and efficient as well. Everybody's game is going to benefit. We have superstar talent. We have veterans with experience and we still have youth with potential in Jordan, Bledsoe, Leslie, Thompkins and Warren. We picked up a couple of 2nd round picks in trade, which will more than likely be borderline 1st rounders. If Olshey continues to draft as he has the past few years, then we could very well find some more gems. Next season, free-agents are going to consider us one of those teams that is worth taking less money to sign with. We had to overpay this year, but we'll get discounts next year. Paul will earn the most money playing here. He'd lose around $30M if he chose to play elsewhere, so the incentive is to stay. Griffin knows that this team is committed to him and to making the necessary steps toward the direction of playing in June. I'm sure that he's disappointed that Gordon is gone, but thrilled that he'll be getting set up by Paul (the best true point guard in the game).

I'd like to see us continue to look for deals. Mo's contract is not terrible and could be moved at any time. Next season he will be an expiring. Perhaps, we can bring in that SG that will complement the rest of the line-up. Or we could amnesty him next summer and have about $9M in cap space. We have options.

There's a lot to be hopeful about.

azncorruptedo17 · Post #14 » by **azncorruptedo17** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:35 am

i've come to realization that real clipper fans are really really mad... lol... right when i heard it, my first reaction was WTF WHY OWIEJROIWEJFIOJWEIOJWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I still feel this way.

But..... i guess the positives:
1) Griffin will def resign for a full max contract, no doubt.
2) CP3 SHOULD be resigning for the full... why would you lose out on 25million ? i believe with the new cba, if he resigns, 100mill, out of FA in 13, 75mill... right? [i still don't understand this cba lol]
3) our team is the most attractive team for upcoming FA in the next few years.
4) Our cap is def in good shape to be able to sign viable options/missing pieces.

RiversideClips · Post #15 » by **RiversideClips** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:51 am

Yes, I am glad MO will not be our starting PG, however I think Mo will flourish as the Combo Guard who can play w/ both Chauncey & Paul. I have nothing against Mo, in fact I am stoked that he is our premiere go to guy, he start some games & come off the bench others.
Now, we need to go get another Big, anyone LARGE been Amnestied?

adiedanny · Post #16 » by **adiedanny** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:59 am

RiversideClips wrote:Yes, I am glad MO will not be our starting PG, however I think Mo will flourish as the Combo Guard who can play w/ both Chauncey & Paul. I have nothing against Mo, in fact I am stoked that he is our premiere go to guy, he start some games & come off the bench others.
Now, we need to go get another Big, anyone LARGE been Amnestied?

yea I know just messing with you. I still liked Ike to come back with Rhino. Cut Willie Warren and sign drumroll Mobley

Val Holliday · Post #17 » by **Val Holliday** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:15 am

mkwest wrote:
Val Holliday wrote:Moronic trade for you guys, quite frankly. You already had 3 point guards. You sacrificed a cheaper, younger star, a good (when healthy) center, another solid young player on a rookie deal, and a probable top 5 pick. CP3 is great and all, but you had a legit foundation in place for long term success, had strong depth and trade flexibility. And they chose to blow it up so they can get off on Paul-to-Griffin alley-oops.

This team is probably gonna be fun to watch but isn't going anywhere when it really counts. Just my opinion.

Be happy, your team is now more likely than ever to get Gordon in free-agency.

True enough. But I would've settled for Gordon & Griffin bringing the Clippers to prominence and leading a deep, young roster to prominence like I hope for the Pacers going forward.

To the guy implying I'm a "hater", lol. Quite the opposite. I enjoy teams like my own, teams like Sacramento, LAC before this trade, OKC, Milwaukee. Teams built around some combination of depth, youth, and/or defense. I feel like you've gutted your roster for one rather injury prone star who could very well leave them in the position he left New Orleans. Even if he stays relatively healthy, he wasn't the same player he was 2-3 years ago when he came back (not to say he wasn't still highly productive).

All I see with this roster now is a lot of flash and a first round exit. Before I still probably saw a 1st round exit this year, but with a lot of room for growth and the potential to simply sign a Chris Paul or a whoever rather than mortgage their entire team for him.

azncorruptedo17 · Post #18 » by **azncorruptedo17** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:29 am

Val Holliday wrote:
mkwest wrote:
Val Holliday wrote:Moronic trade for you guys, quite frankly. You already had 3 point guards. You sacrificed a cheaper, younger star, a good (when healthy) center, another solid young player on a rookie deal, and a probable top 5 pick. CP3 is great and all, but you had a legit foundation in place for long term success, had strong depth and trade flexibility. And they chose to blow it up so they can get off on Paul-to-Griffin alley-oops.

This team is probably gonna be fun to watch but isn't going anywhere when it really counts. Just my opinion.

Be happy, your team is now more likely than ever to get Gordon in free-agency.

True enough. But I would've settled for Gordon & Griffin bringing the Clippers to prominence and leading a deep, young roster to prominence like I hope for the Pacers going forward.

To the guy implying I'm a "hater", lol. Quite the opposite. I enjoy teams like my own, teams like Sacramento, LAC before this trade, OKC, Milwaukee. Teams built around some combination of depth, youth, and/or defense. I feel like you've gutted your roster for one rather injury prone star who could very well leave them in the position he left New Orleans. Even if he stays relatively healthy, he wasn't the same player he was 2-3 years ago when he came back (not to say he wasn't still highly productive).

All I see with this roster now is a lot of flash and a first round exit. Before I still probably saw a 1st round exit this year, but with a lot of room for growth and the potential to simply sign a Chris Paul or a whoever rather than mortgage their entire team for him.

Clippernation dislikes the trade, we all know that already.

but on the upside...

Billups, with this trade, knows we're a contender. He can lead us to the promise land he once stood in.

Our defense is actually going to be [good], cp3/billups/butler/dj is a good set group while bg isn't so much of a blocker, he brings a presence that have offensive players watching their moves before offensive fouls.

I obviously worry about our D vs superstar 2s, EJ was the key to all that... he defended VERY WELL vs them which we don't have, at least i think we don't.

I'd like to think that we'll have cp3/bg for the long haul. [I'm hesitant to say so until he signs that contract] But we do have a little bit of everything. Inside presence and D with DJ. SF Defender, given his knee doesn't die out, and a very experienced 2 [at least for this year] with billups.

mike3 · Post #19 » by **mike3** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:42 am

Thats why someone like Afflalo would do very well for us, or possibly Sefolosha? whats happening with him? I remember him defending Kobe pretty well

azncorruptedo17 · Post #20 » by **azncorruptedo17** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:46 am

mike3 wrote:Thats why someone like Afflalo would do very well for us, or possibly Sefolosha? whats happening with him? I remember him defending Kobe pretty well

Afflalo hasn't gotten an offer sheet from anyone except the nuggets huh? He's a starter though and if we get him this year, someone's going to give... we need someone more on the sefalosha [hoping he'd be ok coming off the bench] or anthony parker

edit:
what about stevenson? o.O