Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part VIII)

[ADRajX]

BTW....what exactly is NO's plan now that they have both Kaman and Okafor? Slide Okafor to the PF slot until his expiring hits next summer?

They can move either or to the 4-5

If I was NOH, I would use Gordon as your primary perimeter scorer and slasher... and use Kaman and Okafor for high screens/slip screens/down-screens ...

Also with Kaman and Okafor, they have a good probability of successfully running the High-Low block offense... not many teams will be able to stop that

[TheDarkKnight]

Wasn't the new CBA put in place to stop players dictating where they wanted to go? If we do trade Dwight we go for the best deal possible for the team not what suits him best, as much as I love ya Dwight at the end of the day I'm a Magic fan.

It does... people aren't thinking it through, I don't think. In my eyes it takes away a lot of Dwight's leverage.

I'm posting this one more time. I'm trying to see if I'm right, really. I've tried to discuss this three times and no one responds. If we keep him til summer, Dwight will have to stay at least one more year unless he is willing to walk away from a longer contract, and more importantly he's willing to accept a 4.5% annual raise than 7.5% annual raise... here's what I've been posting...

I'm thinking more and more that they just need to keep him and force his hand. If he can walk away from 7.5% annual raise, and longer contracts and go to another team, then so be it.

The new CBA changed things. There's now a deadline that he has to be traded to transfer his Bird rights elsewhere. It's not like next summer he can bluff and say I'm signing with this other team, you might as well get what you can and help me get my money. He has to pull that act much earlier, I don't know the exactly, but I've seen January 1st a lot.

And you wonder that at that point, if he still is thinking of leaving, that he'll have incentive to opt in his final year, in order to still be able to be traded and keep his bird rights, giving the Magic one more year to make something happen and with more ammo because then we'll have at ton of expirings that we can trade that year. We'd have a crap load of capspace that following summer if it wasn't for Hedo's contract... **** Otis.

thank you.

This is the only leverage teams have to keep their FAs. Call their bluff by screwing with their money.

Dwight has already showed how much of an emotional dude he is, let is make the decision to walk away is he has the balls, He was already saying positive stuff in interviews while asking for a trade at the same time. Lets just keep him and focus on a deep playoff run. All these media folks are just string up more drama cause they have nothing else to report on and they also know how it effect a person like Dwight which in turn makes thing more crazy for the magic. but if he focus and start winning games the talk will die down a bit.

[CPBalla2003 n da 863]

I don't know about Sherdian, but you can sell the franchise about having a young future there, i know the causal fan wouldn't know the names, but imo, i would rather see Gordon over Scola/Martin

[FFBlitzace]

The LAC trade is so much better than the original LAL/HOU trade. That original trade was incredibly pointless, and honestly, downright harmful, to the Hornets. Dooming themselves to the purgatory of mediocrity.

With this trade, they actually get a legitimate young building block in Gordon, an actual young prospect in Aminu (none of which they were getting in the original trade), a good Center in Kaman who admittedly is pretty pointless for them but is solid nonetheless, and they get what will almost certainly be a very good 1st round pick.

It's unfathomable that anyone would even consider for one moment that this trade was not better.

[MagicFan41]

sheridanhoops Chris Sheridan
You are not alone, but making for a lively debate. OKC, Memphis, LAL, Dallas, Portland, SA, Utah all better than LAC. Must wait on Denv, Hou

sheridanhoops Chris Sheridan
Because D.Demps Hornets would have won 38-40 games and made playoffs, putting fannies in seats in NOLA. Scola, Martin are damn good.

OMG God, that one took the cake ... sorry... LAC's trade package > LAL/Hou

I don't know....I gotta say, I definitely prefer Odom+Scola+Martin+Dragic+draft pick (which will prob be pretty high because Houston would SUCK). From a pure talent standpoint compared to Kaman+Gordon+Aminu+Minny draft (which will prob be comparable to Houstons). Martin/Gordon is pretty close to a wash....and Odom+Scola is def better than Kaman+Aminu.

That being said....he is def crazy to think Utah is better than LAC now....or that LAC won't be a playoff team. If I had to guess I would prob say they'll be like a 5 seed in the West.

[ADRajX]

The LAC trade is so much better than the original LAL/HOU trade. That original trade was incredibly pointless, and honestly, downright harmful, to the Hornets. Dooming themselves to the purgatory of mediocrity.

With this trade, they actually get a legitimate young building block in Gordon, an actual young prospect in Aminu (none of which they were getting in the original trade), a good Center in Kaman who admittedly is pretty pointless for them but is solid nonetheless, and they get what will almost certainly be a very good 1st round pick.

It's unfathomable that anyone would even consider for one moment that this trade was not better.

well said

[Magic#1]

sheridanhoops Chris Sheridan
You are not alone, but making for a lively debate. OKC, Memphis, LAL, Dallas, Portland, SA, Utah all better than LAC. Must wait on Denv, Hou

sheridanhoops Chris Sheridan
Because D.Demps Hornets would have won 38-40 games and made playoffs, putting fannies in seats in NOLA. Scola, Martin are damn good.

OMG God, that one took the cake ... sorry... LAC's trade package > LAL/Hou

That's seriously unbelievable. I mean, what???? At absolute worst, Gordon and Martin are very similar, as are Kaman and Scola, but are both younger. Oh, and that's not even counting a near-guaranteed lottery pick and perhaps a top 3-5 pick in a STACKED draft. How are they even comparable?

[Tayswagzzz]

Anyone know if the preseason game against the Heat will be televised or streamed anywhere?

[InFlames]

Sheridan is an idiot LOL

[magicman123]

we cant say for sure that the clippers are a playoff team..im curious to see what that clippers pick would of been..paul/griffin will be nasty though

[MagicFan41]

sheridanhoops Chris Sheridan
You are not alone, but making for a lively debate. OKC, Memphis, LAL, Dallas, Portland, SA, Utah all better than LAC. Must wait on Denv, Hou

sheridanhoops Chris Sheridan
Because D.Demps Hornets would have won 38-40 games and made playoffs, putting fannies in seats in NOLA. Scola, Martin are damn good.

OMG God, that one took the cake ... sorry... LAC's trade package > LAL/Hou

That's seriously unbelievable. I mean, what???? At absolute worst, Gordon and Martin are very similar, as are Kaman and Scola, but are both younger. Oh, and that's not even counting a near-guaranteed lottery pick and perhaps a top 3-5 pick in a STACKED draft. How are they even comparable?

Because Odom was tacked on.....right? How is everyone forgetting about him? 6th man of the year.....nonstop double-double guy on an already stacked team of the Lakers...

[ADRajX]

sheridanhoops Chris Sheridan
You are not alone, but making for a lively debate. OKC, Memphis, LAL, Dallas, Portland, SA, Utah all better than LAC. Must wait on Denv, Hou

sheridanhoops Chris Sheridan
Because D.Demps Hornets would have won 38-40 games and made playoffs, putting fannies in seats in NOLA. Scola, Martin are damn good.

OMG God, that one took the cake ... sorry... LAC's trade package > LAL/Hou

I don't know....I gotta say, I definitely prefer Odom+Scola+Martin+Dragic+draft pick (which will prob be pretty High because Houston would SUCK). From a pure talent standpoint compared to Kaman+Gordon+Aminu+Minny draft (which will prob be comparable to Houstons). Martin/Gordon is pretty close to a wash....and Odom+Scola is def better than Kaman+Aminu.

Gordon is easily > Martin

He's younger, more athletic, and doesn't rely on getting to the line all the time... he shoots a slightly better fg%, and he's a better building block than Martin

Scola is old, at least they get a young talent in Aminu... you could also make the case that Scola and Kaman are a wash in terms of front-court talent... Dragic is a scrub... Odom is a good talent, but he's not someone you can build the future with... with Gordon you get a young guy that has potential to be a perennial top player/all-star for the NOH

[The Effect]

God im getitng sick of hearing Dwight whine. Its almost to the point that i want to see him traded just so i dont have to hear his crying anymore. Personally i say wait til after the Jan 1st deadline, then trade him, screw him over the same way he screwed us over.

[Def Swami]

Lockout got settled. Trade produced two lottery teams. CP3 did not get wish. Silver lining is E.Gordon, which I mention in upcoming video.

IMO the Clippers will be a good team. Definitely not top 4 in the West. But they'll be in the 6-8 range. It's going to take more than Blake/CP3 highlights to win. But they have a great future.

The Hornets got a great deal. Easily better than the trash deal they were getting from LA/HOU. They have a nice future.

[pogiro]

Wasn't the new CBA put in place to stop players dictating where they wanted to go? If we do trade Dwight we go for the best deal possible for the team not what suits him best, as much as I love ya Dwight at the end of the day I'm a Magic fan.

It does... people aren't thinking it through, I don't think. In my eyes it takes away a lot of Dwight's leverage.

I'm posting this one more time. I'm trying to see if I'm right, really. I've tried to discuss this three times and no one responds. If we keep him til summer, Dwight will have to stay at least one more year unless he is willing to walk away from a longer contract, and more importantly he's willing to accept a 4.5% annual raise than 7.5% annual raise... here's what I've been posting...

I'm thinking more and more that they just need to keep him and force his hand. If he can walk away from 7.5% annual raise, and longer contracts and go to another team, then so be it.

The new CBA changed things. There's now a deadline that he has to be traded to transfer his Bird rights elsewhere. It's not like next summer he can bluff and say I'm signing with this other team, you might as well get what you can and help me get my money. He has to pull that act much earlier, I don't know the exactly, but I've seen January 1st a lot.

And you wonder that at that point, if he still is thinking of leaving, that he'll have incentive to opt in his final year, in order to still be able to be traded and keep his bird rights, giving the Magic one more year to make something happen and with more ammo because then we'll have at ton of expirings that we can trade that year. We'd have a crap load of capspace that following summer if it wasn't for Hedo's contract... **** Otis.

thank you.

This is the only leverage teams have to keep their FAs. Call their bluff by screwing with their money.

EXACTLY. Thing is before, teams were more on the hot seat in the summer. Because they were faced with the immediate situation that their player could leave and we are left with nothing. So the player goes to them saying, let's do a sign and trade, I'll scratch your back, if you scratch mine. Team has to give in.

Come summer, if the player is set on leaving, he has to give up his money. There's no way around it. Or he opts in to keep his Bird rights for another year. Or maybe he can sign with the other team for one year, and get a full max contract with bird rights and all. But that's a lot to risk I think. And it still costs him money. Come summer, HIS BEST MOVE IS TO STAY. No matter how much he wants out, once he's looking down the barrel of the gun, and see's how much money he will certainly lose if he leaves, I think it'll cool his trade demands down quite a bit.

[troybiles]

Doesn't gortat's tpe expire tomorrow? Anyone know? We need to use it to our advantage instead of wasting it and really making Dwight leave.

[rcklsscognition]

Wouldn't the only person to benefit from a Jan 1st trade be Dwight? I mean, the team he is hypothetically traded to would be able to give him less money if we waited.

[Tayswagzzz]

Does anyone know if the preseason game against the Heat will be televised or streamed anywhere?

[rcklsscognition]

Doesn't gortat's tpe expire tomorrow? Anyone know? We need to use it to our advantage instead of wasting it and really making Dwight leave.

18th I believe. The Lakers have one expiring tmrw.

[ADRajX]

Doesn't gortat's tpe expire tomorrow? Anyone know? We need to use it to our advantage instead of wasting it and really making Dwight leave.

18th I believe. The Lakers have one expiring tmrw.

I thought Von Wafer absorbed Gortat's TPE in the Bass/Davis trade?