Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part VIII)

[Hotshot Hower]

You guys are pretty much saying "let's trade him because I can't stand reading these twitter reports anymore". Forget that. I still say hang on as long as you can. A lot can change during the course of a season.

No, not at all.

A lot can change in a shortened season? We have 3 months compadre, that's it. Dwight, well his agent who represents him obviously is stirring up news to some of these "insiders" aka "twitter reports" that he wants to be traded and the same two teams keep coming up, Nets and Lakers. Yeah, I had a bit of optimism after media day as Dwight really looked happy but now, not so much. He's just trying to save face with some of us Magic fans. Why would Fegan who represents him try to make him look bad? Obviously he trying feverishly to appease Dwight and his trade request. Dwight just puts on a smile to ease some of the criticism he was getting before while letting his agent and FO do the work to get something done.

The C-Lee comments were the final straw that broke the camel's back along with some of the Magic players saying Dwight told them he was getting traded.

[OrlandO]

You guys are pretty much saying "let's trade him because I can't stand reading these twitter reports anymore". Forget that. I still say hang on as long as you can. A lot can change during the course of a season.

No, not at all.

A lot can change in a shortened season? We have 3 months compadre, that's it. Dwight, well his agent who represents him obviously is stirring up news to some of these "insiders" aka "twitter reports" that he wants to be traded and the same two teams keep coming up, Nets and Lakers. Yeah, I had a bit of optimism after media day as Dwight really looked happy but now, not so much. He's just trying to save face with some of us Magic fans. Why would Fegan who represents him try to make him look bad? Obviously he trying feverishly to appease Dwight and his trade request. Dwight just puts on a smile to ease some of the criticism he was getting before while letting his agent and FO do the work to get something done.

The C-Lee comments were the final straw that broke the camel's back.

If the reports are true, he was probably smiling because he thought he was getting traded that day... I don't think I can be optimistic until I see Dwight in a Magic uni on opening day. Until then, I'm expecting him to get traded soon.

[Tayswagzzz]

It's a really sad thought to think the guy who's been the face of our franchise, done great things for Orlando, could be gone. I really hope we get to see him on Christmas day wearing a magic uniform.

[dsg2021]

That's it. Let's trade him so we can move on from all the drama and uncertainty.

Lakers, offer us a package of Bynum/Gasol and we'll go from there.

Nets, call the Hawks and lets arrange a 3-way deal involving Lopez/Josh Smith/Future 1st for Dwight/Hedo.

I'm fed up with this crap. Let's move on from this center of attention fiend, Dwight.

Otis, my patience is wearing thin. Where's Bower when you need him? Heck, where's Gabe even?

Among the hypotheticals, I love this the most. A Smith/Lopez frontcourt would be devastating and be the best replacement for Dwight considering age/potential, and injury history.

I'm still not sure I understand how the Lopez+picks thing works....from a trade perspective. The salaries don't even come close to matching, what are all the rules on that? They claimed they would take Dwight+Hedo for Lopez+picks, but this isn't allowable it seems, I've asked this a few times, but nobody seems to have replied with the answer. How does that work? And then also, could you flip Bynum for Lopez+picks? I wonder if NJ would do that if we told them we weren't willing to trade Dwight, but we would give Bynum...Magic and Nets seem to hate each other now, so I dunno....there is a team option on Bynum next summer, so it would be a way for NJ to clear a lot of caproom to go after some FAs (maybe Dwight if he would rather go to NJ with Deron as opposed to stay in LA) but if so, and then you flipped Pau....you could have

Meer/Dragic
Martin/JJ
Jrich/Q
Scola/BBD/Ryan
Lopez/Ryan/Orton

PLUS you would have NJ's 1st round pick, Houston's 1st round pick in a super deep draft next summer. Now that could be a way to rebuild on the fly without fielding a crappy team on the court. JJs is an expiring next yr. Meer has a player option (which he will prob take). I think the salary of this lineup is only like $60mil. If we let JJ, Orton, Dragic go, maybe trade Ryan for picks...we would be at like $50 mil next summer, while still having a great core to build around and possibly 3+ good 1st round picks for next summer.
PLUS you would have Jersey's pick (which might be good if it's Deron+Bynum, esp if Bynum was to go down)

NJ amnesties Outlaw, renounces Kris, and they have the cap space to absorb Dwight, Hedo, and maybe Duhon too.
The problem with the Houston trade is, and I'm seeing many people post this trade idea, is that they may very likely not want to deal anymore. Their overall goal was to attain Gasol and Nene together, it's unclear how much they want Gasol alone for that kind of loss of players, not to mention, most of us are well on the rebuild boat using drafts and maintaining cap space until the right times to go all in.
I also don't see a Bynum for Lopez from NJ's side. If I'm Orlando, getting a big man or two-like HOU- is a nice way to go since they are irreplaceable. Opening up ORL and NJ's rosters and their picks to ATL to getting Lopez, Marshon and Smith with just one late pick would do it for me. If the Magic have their pick this year, and trade it with their one-two late picks from the Dwight deal, they could pull a Portland and move into a top 7-15 pick. The future is around that frontcourt and the picks and rookies should get PT like crazy. J Rich and Jameer should be replaced with highly potential youngsters too.

[chunnyboy]

quick OT side:

something not as talked about in the CP3 trade- in the great 2012 draft, the hornets will have 2 lottery picks - the minny 1st they got in the deal and their own. they could possibly be walking into their 2012-2013 season with eric gordon-anthony davis-harrison barnes as their top 3 guys- that's a scary- young- but scary core.

[MagicFan41]

So, I've decided this whole idea of rebuilding by clearing cap is pointless. Look at the free agents next summer:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/stor ... ents-11-12

There is NOBODY (other than Dwight, Deron) who is an unrestricted free agent that matters whatsoever, a bunch of complete scrubs, maybe worse than this years FA pool. All of the star players are restricted, so it won't matter because they will get matched. I don't have a listing of the 2013 FAs but I know it isn't anybody amazing either, as Wade,Lebron,Dirk,Kobe,Dwight,Deron, etc etc etc....all the top players in the league will be either under contract for awhile (like until 2015) or locked into situations they prob won't want to leave (like CP3 in LA with Blake). So there's not much point trying to rebuild through FA anytime soon. Our best bet is to trade and get talent back, while hopefully trying to land some draft picks in that process.

[MagicFan41]

NJ amnesties Outlaw, renounces Kris, and they have the cap space to absorb Dwight, Hedo, and maybe Duhon too.
The problem with the Houston trade is, and I'm seeing many people post this trade idea, is that they may very likely not want to deal anymore. Their overall goal was to attain Gasol and Nene together, it's unclear how much they want Gasol alone for that kind of loss of players, not to mention, most of us are well on the rebuild boat using drafts and maintaining cap space until the right times to go all in.
I also don't see a Bynum for Lopez from NJ's side. If I'm Orlando, getting a big man or two-like HOU- is a nice way to go since they are irreplaceable. Opening up ORL and NJ's rosters and their picks to ATL to getting Lopez, Marshon and Smith with just one late pick would do it for me. If the Magic have their pick this year, and trade it with their one-two late picks from the Dwight deal, they could pull a Portland and move into a top 7-15 pick. The future is around that frontcourt and the picks and rookies should get PT like crazy. J Rich and Jameer should be replaced with highly potential youngsters too.

It's really close though, even if they do that....because the trade can't put them over the cap if I'm reading the rules correctly? If they knock Outlaw's $7 million off of the books (which doesn't that have to be announced by TODAY?).....and then send Lopez+Farmar+picks for D12+Hedo, it basically puts them like $1mil under the cap? But again, that's before signing anybody else. So my question is....if this deal doesn't get done today essentially (last day to use amnesty I believe)...how does it ever get done? Everyone was saying "oh the Lopez deal will always be there so what's the rush"....but is it? How would it work mid season when they've had to fill out their roster and are at/above the cap?

[Bensational]

You guys are pretty much saying "let's trade him because I can't stand reading these twitter reports anymore". Forget that. I still say hang on as long as you can. A lot can change during the course of a season.

Winning changes everything.

If Dwight were to go, though, I don't want this team to pretend its competitive. I want to tank and collect draft picks. Lopez/Bynum/whoever won't lead us to the promised land.

The Hornets look to have scored the best return for a superstar this summer.

[SolidSnake008]

You guys are pretty much saying "let's trade him because I can't stand reading these twitter reports anymore". Forget that. I still say hang on as long as you can. A lot can change during the course of a season.

Winning changes everything.

If Dwight were to go, though, I don't want this team to pretend its competitive. I want to tank and collect draft picks. Lopez/Bynum/whoever won't lead us to the promised land.

The Hornets look to have scored the best return for a superstar this summer.

I agree with you...Dwight is our best shot at winning the title so Pau/Bynum isn't going to replace that.....With those two guys at best we'll be what 4th seed? we'll make the playoffs but are we really going to get by Chicago or the Heat? Hell even Boston maybe even the Knicks.....If we end up trading Dwight to LA it will be because the FO doesn't want us to suck outright and want to still field a competitive team but why do that when you're basically trading away your franchise in a sense

On another note if we trade Dwight before the season starts then what happens to all our Nationally televised games?

[MagicFan41]

You guys are pretty much saying "let's trade him because I can't stand reading these twitter reports anymore". Forget that. I still say hang on as long as you can. A lot can change during the course of a season.

Winning changes everything.

If Dwight were to go, though, I don't want this team to pretend its competitive. I want to tank and collect draft picks. Lopez/Bynum/whoever won't lead us to the promised land.

The Hornets look to have scored the best return for a superstar this summer.

I agree with you...Dwight is our best shot at winning the title so Pau/Bynum isn't going to replace that.....With those two guys at best we'll be what 4th seed? we'll make the playoffs but are we really going to get by Chicago or the Heat? Hell even Boston maybe even the Knicks.....If we end up trading Dwight to LA it will be because the FO doesn't want us to suck outright and want to still field a competitive team but why do that when you're basically trading away your franchise in a sense

On another note if we trade Dwight before the season starts then what happens to all our Nationally televised games?

That's a whole lot easier than it sounds. New Orleans got super lucky that one of the few franchises willing to trade with them (where CP3 approved), had not their OWN, but another crappy teams pick to trade. So New Orleans gets a great pick back. Part of the problem with us trading is that either Dallas, NJ or Lakers with Dwight aren't going to be a lottery team...so the pick from those teams will suck. It would have to be a lot of maneuvering to get other crappy teams picks, and part of the problem is that NJ, Lakers, Mavs don't really have pieces that other teams want in order to receive draft picks to give to us. As has been said, Dwight is really hamstringing the Magic by essentially saying, trade me ONLY to NJ or Lakers (Mavs aren't even an option, they have nobody, which is why nothing has been even rumored to have been going on with them and us).

[MagicFan41]

And for the record, he can't just cop-out with this "I just want to win" garbage. If that were true, he would OBVIOUSLY include Thunder, Bulls, GSW, Clippers, Heat, Hawks, etc etc as potential trade partners. This would make it much much easier for us. Does it seem a bit odd the two real trade partners he picked are NYC and LA? I mean, gimme a break....nobody isn't going to see through that garbage of a lie. Oh, right....GOD must have told him to go to those cities. Just like GOD must have told him to buy his $10 million dollar home and his Rolls Royce....and demand max salary....and have a kid out of wedlock...

[The Effect]

That's a whole lot easier than it sounds. New Orleans got super lucky that one of the few franchises willing to trade with them (where CP3 approved), had not their OWN, but another crappy teams pick to trade. So New Orleans gets a great pick back. Part of the problem with us trading is that either Dallas, NJ or Lakers with Dwight aren't going to be a lottery team...so the pick from those teams will suck. It would have to be a lot of maneuvering to get other crappy teams picks, and part of the problem is that NJ, Lakers, Mavs don't really have pieces that other teams want in order to receive draft picks to give to us. As has been said, Dwight is really hamstringing the Magic by essentially saying, trade me ONLY to NJ or Lakers (Mavs aren't even an option, they have nobody, which is why nothing has been even rumored to have been going on with them and us).

Egh, who cares who he asks to be traded too. Trade him to who ever gives us the best offer, whether that be the Nets, Jazz or Torono, i dont care. If he doesnt want to sign with them, thats not our problem. Thats why i think we should wait til after Jan 1st. Im sure more teams would be willing to trade for him if they knew he wouldnt opt out at the end of the year, and if the new team doesnt own his bird rights, that means he will lose 35-40mil by opting out, which i doubt his spoiled ass is willing to do

[Hotshot Hower]

3eaZy Earl Clark
Yea I made it
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If NJ gets Earl i'm going to be fricken pissed!!

[MagicFan41]

That's a whole lot easier than it sounds. New Orleans got super lucky that one of the few franchises willing to trade with them (where CP3 approved), had not their OWN, but another crappy teams pick to trade. So New Orleans gets a great pick back. Part of the problem with us trading is that either Dallas, NJ or Lakers with Dwight aren't going to be a lottery team...so the pick from those teams will suck. It would have to be a lot of maneuvering to get other crappy teams picks, and part of the problem is that NJ, Lakers, Mavs don't really have pieces that other teams want in order to receive draft picks to give to us. As has been said, Dwight is really hamstringing the Magic by essentially saying, trade me ONLY to NJ or Lakers (Mavs aren't even an option, they have nobody, which is why nothing has been even rumored to have been going on with them and us).

Egh, who cares who he asks to be traded too. Trade him to who ever gives us the best offer, whether that be the Nets, Jazz or Torono, i dont care. If he doesnt want to sign with them, thats not our problem. Thats why i think we should wait til after Jan 1st. Im sure more teams would be willing to trade for him if they knew he wouldnt opt out at the end of the year, and if the new team doesnt own his bird rights, that means he will lose 35-40mil by opting out, which i doubt his spoiled ass is willing to do

LOL....why is this such a hard concept for people to grasp? ESP with Dallas and NJ (two teams he said he would re-sign with) clearing obv cap space for next summer, you REALLY think some other team is going to just take that chance that he walks and goes to one of those two teams and give away all their young talent? Not a chance....why do you think the CP3 thing ended up down to the Lakers and the Clips basically? Because he said he wouldn't re-sign with all those other teams. Of course it isn't our "problem", and I could care less where he wants to go or where he ends up, but that's not how it works. Those teams won't typically field great offers without a guarantee he will re-sign there, which he prob won't since NJ is clearing space for him and that's where he wants to go. It's like the Melo situation with NYC. Also, are you sure of the new rules in terms of trading him after Jan 1st that he can still re-up with that team for full max money? I thought that's exactly why he wanted to be traded before Jan 1, because he couldn't otherwise get the max.

[Hotshot Hower]

I was thinking, I know we have enough guards as it is but would a S&T'ed Rodney Stuckey for Jameer Nelson and a future 1st (or something along those lines) peak any of your interests?

[MoMM]

I was thinking, I know we have enough guards as it is but would a S&T'ed Rodney Stuckey for Jameer Nelson and a future 1st (or something along those lines) peak any of your interests?

I dont want to pay 10mi a year to Rodney, its too much money for his skills.

[fendilim]

The morei think of the russian playing the bad guy by trying to sign Or get every player deight wants, the more i want to deal dwight to the lakers. :|

[magicfan4life05]

Just saw the Robbins/Lee tweet and story by Ping, if all those are true, looks like D12's wishy washy position is just him trying be the good guy while his agent is bad guy trying to force a trade which is what he wants.

Like I said, I just hope Magic can get a nice deal like Hornets got, so much young talent and a GREAT draft pick...anyway we can get Stern as our owner ? lol

[MagicFan32]

a Gasol/Bynum deal is o ur only hope at a good deal, unless OKC wants him

[Darth Magic]

a Gasol/Bynum deal is o ur only hope at a good deal, unless OKC wants him

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