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Re: Heat Extend Spolestra 

Post#41 » by mopper8 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:01 am

GreenHat wrote:Stellar enough that someone is going to offer him 5 million a season or something that the Heat would not match?

Obviously Spoelstra and his agent don't think as highly of him as you think everyone else does, otherwise why would they take such a small deal when they could get a much bigger one in the offseason?


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Expert in coaching field: Spoelstra could have gotten more if he had gone "free agent" next summer. "He would have been incredibly pursued."


He took a 2yr/6 million extension. If his reputation is as good as you think it is, then that's a dumb move by Spo taking such a small offer.


That's assuming a lot. It assumed the Spoelstra doesn't value anything other than money. That he doesn't value the security of having a number of guaranteed deals, that he doesn't value coaching the most talented team in the league, that he doesn't value living and working in the same city that he's lived in and worked in for the last ~2 decades, that he doesn't value working for his mentor who also happens to be one of the best basketball minds, basically, ever.

Those things all might be worth more to Spoelstra than waiting out a year to get the fattest pay check possible.

He also might have no interest in bidding up the Heat and tainting his relationship with Riley and the organization as a result.

We are even money to win the championship and if Spo won a ring he would have gotten a much bigger deal with the Heat and plenty of other offers from other teams. Even if they don't win it all and the Heat fire him he could have gotten MINIMUM 2yr/5million from other teams if he is so highly regarded around the league. Looks like Spo and his agent are betting against him this year and his reputation around the league.


LOL this is so ridiculous. Or they simply are happy in Miami and want the security of having a number of years guaranteed, and also not want to coach as a lame duck

If your argument is that Spo would want to stay here, then giving him more guaranteed money was even more of an unnecessary financial risk. He would stay here anyway and the risk of losing him was minimal at best.


This is an awful way to run a business. Your suggestion, then, is that Miami ought to treat its employees as badly as it possibly can get away with. LOL, yeah, that's a great strategy.

Your thinking on this makes sense if everyone involved cares about nothing but money to the exclusion of all else. I think at this point its pretty obvious Spoelstra and Riley both care about things other than that.
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Re: Heat Extend Spolestra 

Post#42 » by Grumpy Heat Fan » Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:06 am

I'm not so sure Spo would have been "incredibly pursued".....

Wasn't it talked about that Spo got outcoached by the Mavs? and that our offense is an abortion and ugly to watch?

I'm not hating on Spo, he's our coach and he wants to stay here.... but I'm not so sure about that statement myself.. just my opinion.
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Re: Heat Extend Spolestra 

Post#43 » by GreenHat » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:56 am

mopper8 wrote:
GreenHat wrote:Stellar enough that someone is going to offer him 5 million a season or something that the Heat would not match?

Obviously Spoelstra and his agent don't think as highly of him as you think everyone else does, otherwise why would they take such a small deal when they could get a much bigger one in the offseason?


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Expert in coaching field: Spoelstra could have gotten more if he had gone "free agent" next summer. "He would have been incredibly pursued."


He took a 2yr/6 million extension. If his reputation is as good as you think it is, then that's a dumb move by Spo taking such a small offer.


That's assuming a lot. It assumed the Spoelstra doesn't value anything other than money. That he doesn't value the security of having a number of guaranteed deals, that he doesn't value coaching the most talented team in the league, that he doesn't value living and working in the same city that he's lived in and worked in for the last ~2 decades, that he doesn't value working for his mentor who also happens to be one of the best basketball minds, basically, ever.

Those things all might be worth more to Spoelstra than waiting out a year to get the fattest pay check possible.

He also might have no interest in bidding up the Heat and tainting his relationship with Riley and the organization as a result.

We are even money to win the championship and if Spo won a ring he would have gotten a much bigger deal with the Heat and plenty of other offers from other teams. Even if they don't win it all and the Heat fire him he could have gotten MINIMUM 2yr/5million from other teams if he is so highly regarded around the league. Looks like Spo and his agent are betting against him this year and his reputation around the league.


LOL this is so ridiculous. Or they simply are happy in Miami and want the security of having a number of years guaranteed, and also not want to coach as a lame duck

If your argument is that Spo would want to stay here, then giving him more guaranteed money was even more of an unnecessary financial risk. He would stay here anyway and the risk of losing him was minimal at best.


This is an awful way to run a business. Your suggestion, then, is that Miami ought to treat its employees as badly as it possibly can get away with. LOL, yeah, that's a great strategy.

Your thinking on this makes sense if everyone involved cares about nothing but money to the exclusion of all else. I think at this point its pretty obvious Spoelstra and Riley both care about things other than that.


I was saying that Spo could have leveraged the offers from other teams to get more money from the Heat if he was as much of a hot commodity around the league as you were implying that he was.

He could have easily gotten an extra 10 million guaranteed (4 mil over 4 yrs) if he was as wanted as you think he is.

I don't think Spo is all about the money, but he definitely would have taken an extra 10 million guaranteed if he could get it. He can't get it because he is an average coach, perhaps slightly above average.

Spo would not turn down an extra 10 million if it was available to him. The fact is, its not.

He is highly respected as an ASSISTANT.

If his own agent thought he was as in demand as you think he is, then he wouldn't have signed that deal. He could have had all those things you mention but a lot more money. Asking for what he is worth would not taint his relationship with the organization, especially if he was really worth that much. The truth is Riley, his agent and Spo himself all agree he isn't worth that much. You disagree with all of them.

The one point I will agree with you is that Riley likes Spo. That is the only reason Spo got the job and that is the main reason Spo got the extension. Riley likes promoting from within, rather than getting a guy with a different philosophy than him.

That doesn't mean Spo is the best person for the job, Riley just likes him.

If Spo was as in demand as you think he is, then its just another mistake by Spo to sign for such a low amount. Spo, his agent and Riley think less of him than you do (but more of him than I do). I think he is an average to slightly above average coach.

Since we have the best talent in the league, we deserve better than that.
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Re: Heat Extend Spolestra 

Post#44 » by Pimpwerx » Sun Dec 18, 2011 3:17 pm

No offense, but the average forum person knows nothing about X's and O's. I wouldn't expect them to suddenly be good judges of coaching talent. Look how many people were pining for Rick Adelman after he was released. Rick Adelman who has made a career of winning nothing with some decent Blazers and Kings teams. Uh...no thanks. In Pat I trust. PEACE.

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