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Re: Jays to Become Beasts in AL East? 

Post#21 » by A-Mac78 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:47 am

Hendrix wrote:I'de rather McGowan over Cecil.

If McGowan can come back and pull a Marcum it would be a huge boon for the team.

McGowan, has some heat, strike's guys out, gets groudballs at a decent clip, and opponents over the last 2 years before injury were averaging .682ops against him.

Cecil otoh fairs worse at all those things, and opponents put up .788ops against him. I don't think he has as good of a shot to make it in the AL east. Even his one good season where he put up 15 wins was a bit fluky. He went 4-0 in september while posting a 6.92ERA and 1.94 WHIP.


I'm shocked at all the love shown for McGowan. If Dustin can manage to stay in the majors it would be a boon for him, you certainly can't rely on him to be healthy and he definitely is not greater than Cecil.
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Re: Jays to Become Beasts in AL East? 

Post#22 » by baulderdash77 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:57 pm

I don't see McGowan starting either. He was a great story but he's not durable enough to count on.

I think the 5th spot is Drabek's to lose. If he can get his control back in spring training then he gets the spot. We have a lot invested into him and we're not going to throw it away. Remember he had a great start to his career until his confidence was completely ruined. He has the stuff to be a #2 starter still.
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Re: Jays to Become Beasts in AL East? 

Post#23 » by Al_Oliver » Sun Dec 18, 2011 3:37 pm

If we did in fact win the posting for Darvish, then it is Alvarez, Drabek, McGowan and whoever else for that 5th spot in the rotation. McGowan will be given a chance regardless of our opinions on his durability. He's still a cheap asset with potential upside for this season.
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Re: Jays to Become Beasts in AL East? 

Post#24 » by pierro » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:11 pm

Al_Oliver wrote:If we did in fact win the posting for Darvish, then it is Alvarez, Drabek, McGowan and whoever else for that 5th spot in the rotation. McGowan will be given a chance regardless of our opinions on his durability. He's still a cheap asset with potential upside for this season.


The "ace" of this staff is still Ricky Romero until proven otherwise. The 5th spot doesn't belong to him. The 5th spot is between Drabek/McGowan/Cecil
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Post#25 » by Al_Oliver » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:18 pm

Never said anything about Ricky. I was thinking Romero-Darvish-Morrow-Alvarez. The 5th spot is where the competition is, in my opinion.
You are excluding Alvarez from a chance at a rotation spot?
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Post#26 » by pierro » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:49 pm

I feel the same way. I thought you were listing your rotation there, but that's my bad.
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Re: Jays to Become Beasts in AL East? 

Post#27 » by CapeCrusader » Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:52 pm

A-Mac78 wrote:
Hendrix wrote:I'de rather McGowan over Cecil.

If McGowan can come back and pull a Marcum it would be a huge boon for the team.

McGowan, has some heat, strike's guys out, gets groudballs at a decent clip, and opponents over the last 2 years before injury were averaging .682ops against him.

Cecil otoh fairs worse at all those things, and opponents put up .788ops against him. I don't think he has as good of a shot to make it in the AL east. Even his one good season where he put up 15 wins was a bit fluky. He went 4-0 in september while posting a 6.92ERA and 1.94 WHIP.


I'm shocked at all the love shown for McGowan. If Dustin can manage to stay in the majors it would be a boon for him, you certainly can't rely on him to be healthy and he definitely is not greater than Cecil.


We need Cecil to somewhat get back to his play when he was "killing" the AL East. Especially as the only other LHP coming out of the rotation.

As far as McGowan goes, the big thing about him is we've waited patiently so long for his return. To see him not give up and come back, makes you want to give him chances you might not give another player.
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