PG: Boardnani

[MEDIC]

Bayless' turnovers were a result of attacking the paint, so what's the problem?

Yup. When you have a slashing/ offensive oriented PG, turnovers happen. Everyone drools over the thought of adding Westbrook. He lead all guards in Turnovers last season.

Then John Wall, Deorn Williams, Steve Nash, Rajon Rondo & Derrick Rose followed him.

When you have an offensive oriented PG that penetrates, turnovers are going to happen.

People here have been lulled to sleep by Calderon handling the ball "safely".

Yes, those guys have turnovers. But those guys are on another planet compared to Bayless. So you live with those turnovers.

I don't think Rondo is on another planet offensively at all. Wall is still learning the game. Bayless is a better "slasher" than Nash.

Rose, Williams & Westbrook are definitely better. I consider Bayless a "light" version of these guys from a scoring standpoint.

[barrist]

Anyone who thinks the players I mentioned have any of playing on a winning team(not even a contending team) you have got to get your head checked. We have the most mediocre talent in the NBA WTF is Aaron Gray doing in a Raptor uni? and Butler? who the hell is Forbes??? D-League talent all over the court... The only guys that are retainable are DeRozan and Davis anyone else just confirms we are the NBA's laughing stalk.... Seriously guys lets be real here.

wow.

[ty123]

Bayless' turnovers were a result of attacking the paint, so what's the problem?

Yup. When you have a slashing/ offensive oriented PG, turnovers happen. Everyone drools over the thought of adding Westbrook. He lead all guards in Turnovers last season.

Then John Wall, Deorn Williams, Steve Nash, Rajon Rondo & Derrick Rose followed him.

When you have an offensive oriented PG that penetrates, turnovers are going to happen.

People here have been lulled to sleep by Calderon handling the ball "safely".

This board has gotten accustomed to Calderon's pansy brand of point guard play. Even Magi Johnson was averaging 3 or 4 turnovers a game.

Do you expect people on this board to like it when everytime you go to the basket it either ends up in a turnover or a missed shot? The thing that seperates all the above PG's from Bayless is that they are all pretty good finishers around the basket. Except for Wall of course, which is why people have knocks on him as a scorer but he is still 100 times better as a passer and penetrator.

He is nowhere even close to Rondo Westbrook Williams Rose Wall. Nor will he most likely get there.

If we want to be a top contender, we need point guards like the aforementioned.

[Undefeated]

Turnovers was the difference between the two teams today. Bayless had 4 turnovers and 3 assists. That is terrible no matter what excuse you guys make for him.

Like I've said he had a bad game today. I'm talking about in the past season when he was averaging 7apg.

People have to look at the context of the turnovers made. Of the three turnovers due to passing, only one of Bayless' turnover resulted in a basket.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

We have no slashers that can initiate plays or shift the defense. We don't have anyone who can consistently get to the FT line.

Really? I'm pretty sure I saw both Derozan & Bayless shift the defense & get to the FT line at will late last season.

We're not utilizing their talents because Jose is running the point & Bargnani is being used as the #1 offesive option. This needs to change.

wrt Demar, he can't really beat his man off the dribble. He has to rely on screens either on or off ball. You saw it today at times when he was taking fadeaways and long jumpshots most of which he missed.

Bayless can create his own shot but only for himself. Too often today, he just ran into traffic and turned the ball over. Twice, errant passes became turnovers and in one instance, a Celtics player (I think it was Dooling, not sure) just snatched the ball out of Bayless's hands. And too often, I saw him dribble the ball up the court and just stand there dribbling for a few seconds before passing it to Bargs at the 3 pt line.

[MEDIC]

The thing is you can't just give the ball to DD and let him do his thing. He's not that type of player.

I would have completely agreed with you early last season, but when his ball handling responsibilities increased late last season I was pleasantly surprised. I think he can be a guy that handles the rock at about the same level Paul Pierce does.

He showed promise. Now he needs the experience.

[Kabookalu]

Do you expect people on this board to like it when everytime you go to the basket it either ends up in a turnover or a missed shot? The thing that seperates all the above PG's from Bayless is that they are all pretty good finishers around the basket. Except for Wall of course, which is why people have knocks on him as a scorer but he is still 100 times better as a passer and penetrator.

He is nowhere even close to Rondo Westbrook Williams Rose Wall. Nor will he most likely get there.

If we want to be a top contendor, we need point guards like the aforementioned.

Except that we don't need a Westbrook, Rose, or Wall caliber point guard to be a contender. The Mavericks won it with Jason Kidd's corpse and the year before that, Derek Fisher's rotting body. What we need is a point guard capable of playing the position, which Bayless has shown us last year when he started for us, averaged 18/7 on .467% shooting while raising our offensive rating season average to 109 from 106.

[ty123]

Do you expect people on this board to like it when everytime you go to the basket it either ends up in a turnover or a missed shot? The thing that seperates all the above PG's from Bayless is that they are all pretty good finishers around the basket. Except for Wall of course, which is why people have knocks on him as a scorer but he is still 100 times better as a passer and penetrator.

He is nowhere even close to Rondo Westbrook Williams Rose Wall. Nor will he most likely get there.

If we want to be a top contendor, we need point guards like the aforementioned.

Except that we don't need a Westbrook, Rose, or Wall caliber point guard to be a contender. The Mavericks won it with Jason Kidd's corpse and the year before that, Derek Fisher's rotting body. What we need is a point guard capable of playing the position, which Bayless has shown us last year when he started for us, averaged 18/7 on .467% shooting while raising our offensive rating season average to 109 from 106.

Well, if the oppurtunity comes I would gladly drive Bayless to the airport.

[Undefeated]

Do you expect people on this board to like it when everytime you go to the basket it either ends up in a turnover or a missed shot? The thing that seperates all the above PG's from Bayless is that they are all pretty good finishers around the basket. Except for Wall of course, which is why people have knocks on him as a scorer but he is still 100 times better as a passer and penetrator.

Bayless finished 54.6% of his attempts at the rim last year with the Raptors. That's pretty good finishing. For comparison sake...

Derrick Rose - 60.0%
Russell Westbrook - 60.4%
Deron Williams - 53.3%
John Wall - 59.9%

Those guys aren't head and shoulders above Bayless at finishing.

[MEDIC]

Bayless can create his own shot but only for himself.

I call BS. I saw a few nice draw & kicks today (same as late last season). Is he elite? No, but with experience he could easily be good enough.

Too often today, he just ran into traffic and turned the ball over. Twice, errant passes became turnovers and in one instance, a Celtics player (I think it was Dooling, not sure) just snatched the ball out of Bayless's hands. And too often, I saw him dribble the ball up the court and just stand there dribbling for a few seconds before passing it to Bargs at the 3 pt line.

This is one game. I agree, he wasn't at his best. There were about 19 games last season where he looked much, much better.

[dTox]

The thing i didn't get about this game was Casey over playing the starting line up on a preseason game. I have never seen a preseason game this year where they had the entire lineup start and finish the game. Preseason is where you figure out your rotation and try to solve the unknowns of the teams, you shouldnt be playing Demar, and Andrea most of the game when the other team is not even trying to win with their 3rd string players out there. The minutes should have gone to Ed, James Johnson, Forbes, Alibi, guys who need minutes to develop and to see how much they've improved over the season. The Celtics must have had a good laugh knowing their 2nd unit wasn't even finishing the game yet the Raptors were fully going all out and still came out losing.

[T_Biggums]

Anyone who thinks the players I mentioned have any of playing on a winning team(not even a contending team) you have got to get your head checked. We have the most mediocre talent in the NBA WTF is Aaron Gray doing in a Raptor uni? and Butler? who the hell is Forbes??? D-League talent all over the court... The only guys that are retainable are DeRozan and Davis anyone else just confirms we are the NBA's laughing stalk.... Seriously guys lets be real here.

wow.

I have mac auto spell it makes mistakes from time to time... whether its stock or stalk is the sentiment lost on you?

wow.

[Kabookalu]

Well, if the oppurtunity comes I would gladly drive Bayless to the airport.

No one would be throwing a tantrum if we had a chance at a better point guard, though you're placing way too much of an importance in the point guard position when Bayless has more than shown he's capable of handling the position. If we can get Westbrook, awesome.

[LittleOzzy]

The thing i didn't get about this game was Casey over playing the starting line up on a preseason game. I have never seen a preseason game this year where they had the entire lineup start and finish the game. Preseason is where you figure out your rotation and try to solve the unknowns of the teams, you shouldnt be playing Demar, and Andrea most of the game when the other team is not even trying to win with their 3rd string players out there. The minutes should have gone to Ed, James Johnson, Forbes, Alibi, guys who need minutes to develop and to see how much they've improved over the season. The Celtics must have had a good laugh knowing their 2nd unit wasn't even finishing the game yet the Raptors were fully going all out and still came out losing.

Unfortunately with only two preseason games it's more about getting the guys in game shape then developing future talent.

I'm glad DD and Bargnani got more burn then they normally would in a preseason game.

[Kabookalu]

The thing i didn't get about this game was Casey over playing the starting line up on a preseason game. I have never seen a preseason game this year where they had the entire lineup start and finish the game. Preseason is where you figure out your rotation and try to solve the unknowns of the teams, you shouldnt be playing Demar, and Andrea most of the game when the other team is not even trying to win with their 3rd string players out there. The minutes should have gone to Ed, James Johnson, Forbes, Alibi, guys who need minutes to develop and to see how much they've improved over the season. The Celtics must have had a good laugh knowing their 2nd unit wasn't even finishing the game yet the Raptors were fully going all out and still came out losing.

It could be that he wanted his starters to get acclimated with the new system he's trying to implement as much as possible. Boston doesn't have to do that because their core has been playing with each other for years.

[dTox]

The thing i didn't get about this game was Casey over playing the starting line up on a preseason game. I have never seen a preseason game this year where they had the entire lineup start and finish the game. Preseason is where you figure out your rotation and try to solve the unknowns of the teams, you shouldnt be playing Demar, and Andrea most of the game when the other team is not even trying to win with their 3rd string players out there. The minutes should have gone to Ed, James Johnson, Forbes, Alibi, guys who need minutes to develop and to see how much they've improved over the season. The Celtics must have had a good laugh knowing their 2nd unit wasn't even finishing the game yet the Raptors were fully going all out and still came out losing.

Unfortunately with only two preseason games it's more about getting the guys in game shape then developing future talent.

I'm glad DD and Bargnani got more burn then they normally would in a preseason game.

Hence why I was against having such a rushed season, they could have delayed the season by a week to throw in a few more preseason games and an extra day or two for all the free agents (some who have yet sign with a team) to join the team and catch up.

[MEDIC]

Well, if the oppurtunity comes I would gladly drive Bayless to the airport.

No one would be throwing a tantrum if we had a chance at a better point guard, though you're placing way too much of an importance in the point guard position when Bayless has more than shown he's capable of handling the position. If we can get Westbrook, awesome.

Exactly.

If "ty123" can somehow go out there & get Derrick Rose for us, I'd be a very happy man. lol

[dTox]

The thing i didn't get about this game was Casey over playing the starting line up on a preseason game. I have never seen a preseason game this year where they had the entire lineup start and finish the game. Preseason is where you figure out your rotation and try to solve the unknowns of the teams, you shouldnt be playing Demar, and Andrea most of the game when the other team is not even trying to win with their 3rd string players out there. The minutes should have gone to Ed, James Johnson, Forbes, Alibi, guys who need minutes to develop and to see how much they've improved over the season. The Celtics must have had a good laugh knowing their 2nd unit wasn't even finishing the game yet the Raptors were fully going all out and still came out losing.

It could be that he wanted his starters to get acclimated with the new system he's trying to implement as much as possible. Boston doesn't have to do that because their core has been playing with each other for years.

It's pretty much a lose-lose situation, but given that the GM pretty much came out admitting this was a losing season we could have done some of the adjustments in the regular season because guys like Alibi will never get their chance during a season game.

[LittleOzzy]

The thing i didn't get about this game was Casey over playing the starting line up on a preseason game. I have never seen a preseason game this year where they had the entire lineup start and finish the game. Preseason is where you figure out your rotation and try to solve the unknowns of the teams, you shouldnt be playing Demar, and Andrea most of the game when the other team is not even trying to win with their 3rd string players out there. The minutes should have gone to Ed, James Johnson, Forbes, Alibi, guys who need minutes to develop and to see how much they've improved over the season. The Celtics must have had a good laugh knowing their 2nd unit wasn't even finishing the game yet the Raptors were fully going all out and still came out losing.

Unfortunately with only two preseason games it's more about getting the guys in game shape then developing future talent.

I'm glad DD and Bargnani got more burn then they normally would in a preseason game.

Hence why I was against having such a rushed season, they could have delayed the season by a week to throw in a few more preseason games and an extra day or two for all the free agents (some who have yet sign with a team) to join the team and catch up.

The players voted against that, they wanted a 66 game season over a 50 game season as it drastically changes how much they get paid.

[kyrils]

1) It's preseason. Turnovers, bad plays, great rebounding, good games bad games mean nothing yet.

2) Jose always starts off slow and looks bad. You'll know in a couple of weeks if he is going to be ok or done.

3) leandro barbosa is too fast for this team. Speed is a bad thing sure

4)Ed Davis will look great in preseason and during the season because he is steady and stay within his game.

5)We probably won't know what we have till game 10 or so. So take a pill either on the tank express or dare I say it ........ nah I can't

If you watched cleveland vs detroit you know we cant finish worse than 13th in the east

Just enjoy each game for what it is and don't take it too seriously

just my $.02