Orlando Magic vs Miami Heat Pre-Season

[BaunceyChillups]

I just want somebody to explain to me why we can't have a Mid-range game? you don't need creators for it just set screens and shoot INSIDE the 3pt line...What's wrong with shooting a little closer to the basket? we have great shooters on our team but have them always taking the lowest percentage shot you can take on the court every single time....You don't even have to replace the current system just have it as a plan B or something...it's way too easy for defenses to shut down and it's too easy for our players to fall in love with the shot and settle......Maybe this was the Culture change Dwight was referring to

Because shooting 40% from three is equivalent to shooting 50% from 2. Fcking math, how does it work.

[diablerouge]

SVG's system is designed around the players on the roster (in this case, the majority being those who specialize in threes). It would be a different system if he had different players. Really not that hard to figure out guys.

not exactly true. he also goes out of his way to get guys like ryan anderson and never gave brandon bass (a traditional 4) a fair chance. He also never posts up jrich although he is known to having a decent post game. Stan plays 4 out - 1 in and rarely deviates from that.

i also dont think he gave a fair shot to the arenas-dwight pick n roll last year. He doesnt like two-man games.

[arkknight1988]

That shots were there, we just weren't making them.

same &^%% different day. how about if the shots arent falling we trying to get to the basket and get some easy shots to get our guys going.

[rcklsscognition]

I just want somebody to explain to me why we can't have a Mid-range game? you don't need creators for it just set screens and shoot INSIDE the 3pt line...What's wrong with shooting a little closer to the basket? we have great shooters on our team but have them always taking the lowest percentage shot you can take on the court every single time....You don't even have to replace the current system just have it as a plan B or something...it's way too easy for defenses to shut down and it's too easy for our players to fall in love with the shot and settle......Maybe this was the Culture change Dwight was referring to

50 2PT shots @50%= 50 points
50 3PT shots @33%= 50 points.

Shooting 33% from 3 is easier and much more probable than shooting 50% from mid-range. It is better, statistically, to shoot everything from 3pt range or at the rim. The problem is, like a few others have said, when the league figures your system out, they negatively affect your percentages by changing their defense to better cover the 3 point line.

[darthmerrick]

No duh because its a hire percentage shot! Not because it takes less energy.. WTF?? Thats like saying you take a mid range and I take a layup and see who makes more..

Well, a layup takes less energy than a midrange jumper obviously.

That means a dunk should take less energy than a layup.

Unless you Rashard Lewis.

[D12VCMagic]

SVG's system is designed around the players on the roster (in this case, the majority being those who specialize in threes). It would be a different system if he had different players. Really not that hard to figure out guys.

not exactly true. he also goes out of his way to get guys like ryan anderson and never gave brandon bass (a traditional 4) a fair chance. He also never posts up jrich although he is known to having a decent post game. Stan plays 4 out - 1 in and rarely deviates from that.

Bass became the permanent starting PF for most of the season last year, how did he not get a fair chance?

J-Rich has an okay post game, but that is up to him to recognize matchups and when he should post up, not Stan. But his strength is shooting threes. He just doesn't fit in our slow half court offense, he played his best in open fast offenses in Golden State/Phoenix. We can't go to an offense like that as long as Dwight is here, and frankly J-Rich is the only player on the roster that is good at that. Otis is to blame, he keeps bringing in pieces that don't fit our puzzle.

[Jamaicankid21]

That shots were there, we just weren't making them.

same &^%% different day. how about if the shots arent falling we trying to get to the basket and get some easy shots to get our guys going.

Anderson 4-9, Duhon 1-1, Redick 3-5, Q-Rich 1-2. Now J-Rich and Nelson are a different story. J-Rich still shot 5-12 this game, but you need to look deeper into Jameer Nelson shooting 0-10 and getting balled on by a rookie and undrafted rookie who shot. Byers and Harris put up 28 together. Dwight and Jameer.. 6 points.. Let that sink in for a minute..

[SolidSnake008]

I just want somebody to explain to me why we can't have a Mid-range game? you don't need creators for it just set screens and shoot INSIDE the 3pt line...What's wrong with shooting a little closer to the basket? we have great shooters on our team but have them always taking the lowest percentage shot you can take on the court every single time....You don't even have to replace the current system just have it as a plan B or something...it's way too easy for defenses to shut down and it's too easy for our players to fall in love with the shot and settle......Maybe this was the Culture change Dwight was referring to

Because shooting 40% from three is equivalent to shooting 50% from 2. Fcking math, how does it work.

yeah it's not that simple homeslice...that's how it is as a standard yes you would be correct...but for THIS team...With these shooters? sometimes you got to put down the calculator and use common sense and play ball man....Anybody who has played ball knows that it's easier to shoot when you're closer to the basket.....Something is just not right with how we're playing basketball...just way too much settling...Just any little change would work wonders..Something simple like just pushing the ball more...tired of seeing us walk the ball up time and time again when we can get points off transition...there are other things we can do than what we're doing currently that's all i'm trying to say

[thelead]

Stop worrying about the offense. DEFENSE is the reason we lost to Atlanta, Defense is why we got blown out tonight.

[darthmerrick]

I just want somebody to explain to me why we can't have a Mid-range game? you don't need creators for it just set screens and shoot INSIDE the 3pt line...What's wrong with shooting a little closer to the basket? we have great shooters on our team but have them always taking the lowest percentage shot you can take on the court every single time....You don't even have to replace the current system just have it as a plan B or something...it's way too easy for defenses to shut down and it's too easy for our players to fall in love with the shot and settle......Maybe this was the Culture change Dwight was referring to

50 2PT shots @50%= 50 points
50 3PT shots @33%= 50 points.

Shooting 33% from 3 is easier and much more probable than shooting 50% from mid-range. It is better, statistically, to shoot everything from 3pt range or at the rim. The problem is, like a few others have said, when the league figures your system out, they negatively affect your percentages by changing their defense to better cover the 3 point line.

Thank you that quote is what I've been trying to say this whole time! But people would rather take advantage of the drunk village idiot's argument and attack a slip up. We shoot too many damn three pointers and teams no how to cover us. Argument made. Now to go expel more energy by urinating on my neighbors lawn.

[Orlando Prodigy]

We need Stephen Jackson. Asap.

[darthmerrick]

I just want somebody to explain to me why we can't have a Mid-range game? you don't need creators for it just set screens and shoot INSIDE the 3pt line...What's wrong with shooting a little closer to the basket? we have great shooters on our team but have them always taking the lowest percentage shot you can take on the court every single time....You don't even have to replace the current system just have it as a plan B or something...it's way too easy for defenses to shut down and it's too easy for our players to fall in love with the shot and settle......Maybe this was the Culture change Dwight was referring to

Because shooting 40% from three is equivalent to shooting 50% from 2. Fcking math, how does it work.

How many times have we shot 40% from three against the top ten teams in the league the last two years? I'm sure even I can count that high!

[maginno]

I've been drinking........ANd i'll take that bet with anyone. You shoot 30 three pointers and I'll take 30 midrange shots. Whose going to make more wide open shots?

aint no liquor makes you that crazy son. The real problem is you need to turn off that light before your parents catch you up on the laptop posting past bed time. Get a good night sleep and get a basketball in the morning and play before the bell rings. You will notice it takes much more energy to either cut into the arc or drive within it then pull up for a shot than it is to simply stay out at the perimeter, release higher and extend your hands.

In short You are talking utter and absolute nonsense.

[rcklsscognition]

For anyone who has balled before, you get up against a team of dudes draining 3s on you and you lock em down, force them to put the ball down and beat you on the ground. They do so and they win. They don't and they chuck 3s and lose.

Problem is for us is that we got a bunch of guys that can't put the ball on the ground and overcome the overloaded 3 point defense teams are putting on us. What good is a team of Jason Kaponos?

You need balance, and most importantly you need fluid coaching. Attack with the 3, respond to defensive pressure on the 3pt line with drives and cuts, then respond again when the defense collapses with more 3 point assaults.

[Jamaicankid21]

We need Stephen Jackson. Asap.

Much rather have Montae or Iggy but I guess I could settle with Stack if the price is right..

[Jamaicankid21]

Because shooting 40% from three is equivalent to shooting 50% from 2. Fcking math, how does it work.[/quote]

How many times have we shot 40% from three against the top ten teams in the league the last two years? I'm sure even I can count that high![/quote]

How many times do most teams shoot over 50% from 2 against the top 10 teams in the league.. What did the Bulls average against the Heat in the playoffs?? What about Boston.. Philly? Dallas? Youre not gonna average over 50% much against a top defensive team in the league..

[PeePee la Fritz]

Stop worrying about the offense. DEFENSE is the reason we lost to Atlanta, Defense is why we got blown out tonight.

wait are you trying to tell me ryno, jj, j rich, nelson, and turk are not all defense first or second team players?!?!?!?!?! i dont believe you!

[D12VCMagic]

I just want somebody to explain to me why we can't have a Mid-range game? you don't need creators for it just set screens and shoot INSIDE the 3pt line...What's wrong with shooting a little closer to the basket? we have great shooters on our team but have them always taking the lowest percentage shot you can take on the court every single time....You don't even have to replace the current system just have it as a plan B or something...it's way too easy for defenses to shut down and it's too easy for our players to fall in love with the shot and settle......Maybe this was the Culture change Dwight was referring to

Because shooting 40% from three is equivalent to shooting 50% from 2. Fcking math, how does it work.

How many times have we shot 40% from three against the top ten teams in the league the last two years? I'm sure even I can count that high!

That is because Otis has brought in players that aren't getting the job done.

Seriously, all this BS about taking threes is just beyond stupid. Other than maybe Big Baby and JJ, nobody on this team has consistently been mid range jump shooters in their career. Jason Richardson has been a career spot up three point shooter, he doesn't beat people off the dribble, he doesn't create for himself and others, he shoots threes. Same with Hedo, he has been nothing but a spot up shooter his whole career except for a short stint under STAN VAN GUNDY where he was allowed to excel in pick and rolls and create offense, but he is no longer capable/willing to do those things after getting paid.

I seriously can't think of a "system" that would work better with the players we have. Our roster is set up to create space for Dwight by shooting threes. It worked perfectly in 2008-2009, but the talent level and depth has dropped. THAT ladies and gentlemen is the problem.

[thelead]

Stop worrying about the offense. DEFENSE is the reason we lost to Atlanta, Defense is why we got blown out tonight.

wait are you trying to tell me ryno, jj, j rich, nelson, and turk are not all defense first or second team players?!?!?!?!?! i dont believe you!

Not only did they let superstars like Terrel Harris and Derrick Bryers get theirs, they even let scrubs like LeBron James and Dwayne Wade go off!

[Darth Magic]

We need Stephen Jackson. Asap.

We need the guy in your Avatar more. If we are gonna start Hedo at SF to have a PG who can attack the rim consistently and finish strong.