Braun tests positive for PED | Presser update pg. 42
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Why would Braun think an STD medication would be a banned substance?
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Hatchins wrote: if it had no on-field effect to improve his game.
i could certainly see that making playing more comfortable
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jerrod wrote:Hatchins wrote: if it had no on-field effect to improve his game.
i could certainly see that making playing more comfortable
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Pretty much what I thought was going to happen with this.
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Here's the actual link where the guy got his info
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Ayt wrote:Why would Braun think an STD medication would be a banned substance?
It's not whether he should or should not know, its whether he should have asked or disclosed. If he was taking any medication, he should have disclosed that to the Brewers, or, at the very least, have asked his doctor whether it had anything in there that would trigger a positive test. If so, let the testing agency know.
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humanrefutation wrote:Ayt wrote:Why would Braun think an STD medication would be a banned substance?
It's not whether he should or should not know, its whether he should have asked or disclosed. If he was taking any medication, he should have disclosed that to the Brewers, or, at the very least, have asked his doctor whether it had anything in there that would trigger a positive test. If so, let the testing agency know.
Exactly. Maybe he'll "clear" his name as far as it being confirmed that what he took wasn't performance enhancing, but he should have let someone know or found out more about whatever it is that he ended up taking/using. I'll be a little less disappointed with him if it's not performance enhancing, but not much - it'll just be for a different reason.
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Ryan5UW wrote:Exactly. Maybe he'll "clear" his name as far as it being confirmed that what he took wasn't performance enhancing, but he should have let someone know or found out more about whatever it is that he ended up taking/using. I'll be a little less disappointed with him if it's not performance enhancing, but not much - it'll just be for a different reason.
If that story is true, it will make him look like an idiot, but it will clear his PED issues. I'll still think it's unfair, but I'll be annoyed because of the impact on the team next season, not because of the impact on his legacy.
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I'll be pissed for both. A leak to ESPN and a reluctance to find out all the facts first will mean Braun has to release extremely personal information about himself to the world, and it still may not do any good in terms of keeping him on the field.
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WEFFPIM wrote:I'll be pissed for both. A leak to ESPN and a reluctance to find out all the facts first will mean Braun has to release extremely personal information about himself to the world, and it still may not do any good in terms of keeping him on the field.
Eh, he would have faced the same scrutiny even if we didn't find out about the suspension until after his appeal. He would be faced with the same pressure to release personal information.
That would only matter if he somehow wins his appeal. Then he could really cry foul.
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I have a hard time believing that his dong infection medicine caused his positive test.
Braun is one of the smarter guys around. And these superstars are monitored by the trainers 24/7 as to any type of prescription medications they might be taking. There are probably a minimum of 150 different MLB players who needed meds for STD's in the past decade, and all of them got cleared through the club physician or trainer. Otherwise we would have heard of this situation before.
Braun is one of the smarter guys around. And these superstars are monitored by the trainers 24/7 as to any type of prescription medications they might be taking. There are probably a minimum of 150 different MLB players who needed meds for STD's in the past decade, and all of them got cleared through the club physician or trainer. Otherwise we would have heard of this situation before.
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humanrefutation wrote:WEFFPIM wrote:I'll be pissed for both. A leak to ESPN and a reluctance to find out all the facts first will mean Braun has to release extremely personal information about himself to the world, and it still may not do any good in terms of keeping him on the field.
Eh, he would have faced the same scrutiny even if we didn't find out about the suspension until after his appeal. He would be faced with the same pressure to release personal information.
That would only matter if he somehow wins his appeal. Then he could really cry foul.
Lol. Big difference between revealing personal information to an employer who you KNOW is legally obliged to keep it to himself over revealing something to the entire world.
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Aaron It Out wrote:humanrefutation wrote:
Eh, he would have faced the same scrutiny even if we didn't find out about the suspension until after his appeal. He would be faced with the same pressure to release personal information.
That would only matter if he somehow wins his appeal. Then he could really cry foul.
Lol. Big difference between revealing personal information to an employer who you KNOW is legally obliged to keep it to himself over revealing something to the entire world.
Okay. Thanks for stating the obvious.
My point was that Braun would have faced the same scrutiny about the suspension if we found about via a leak in November or after he lost his appeal. He would have faced the same pressure from the fanbase to explain why he tested positive. His legacy would be equally tarnished.
The only major flaw with having it leaked is if he later wins his appeal. Then he could argue that by having a premature result leaked, he faced scrutiny he shouldn't have had to face. But if he loses his appeal, it really doesn't make a big difference whether it was leaked in November or leaked when the MLB announces his suspension. Either way, he still needs to deal with the same scrutiny.
I mean, hell, you could make a compelling argument that having it leaked now allowed him to go on the offensive earlier and challenge the entire nature of the testing process and the appeals process. It would have been much harder for him to do that after the appeal, because it would have sounded reactionary.
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In regards to your comment that having it leaked early allowed him to go on the offensive. I heard a rumor that it was actually Braun's camp that did the leaking to ESPN. Take it with a grain of salt but it is very possible, heard it from a fairly reliable source.
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chuckleslove wrote:In regards to your comment that having it leaked early allowed him to go on the offensive. I heard a rumor that it was actually Braun's camp that did the leaking to ESPN. Take it with a grain of salt but it is very possible, heard it from a fairly reliable source.
I heard that rumor as well.
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I didn't know a minor leaguer won a case. That's interesting.
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Yeah, I never knew that either, definitely leaves a sliver of hope as I was under the impression that no one had ever won an appeal.
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