Expectations for Omri Casspi?

Kaner · Post #1 » by **Kaner** » Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:20 am

I don't see much talk about him around here, and I'm just curious as to how good you guys think he will be here and how big of an impact you think he will have. Will he be a viable starter? Sixth man? Scrub? I personally think he will be an underestimated surprise this year, that will flourish playing with an unselfish PG like Kyrie. He has a nice 3pt shot, and can really get hot from outside once he gets in a rhythm. He plays nice,scrappy defense, and seems to be always alert and trying on both ends of the court at all times. Here's a few highlights
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjuRO7iZ5pU[/youtube]
He seems like a hard worker, and with our lack of a quality SF, I think no doubt he'll be the starter right off the bat and will be a nice 6'9 forward that can keep the defense spread...he in no way is good enough to not look to upgrade-whether it be the draft or a trade, but for the time being I think he'll flourish on our team in Coach Scott's offense and with Kyrie+Baron setting him up. What do you guys think of him? Is he part of the future here, or is he possibly future trade bait?

tidho · Post #2 » by **tidho** » Tue Dec 6, 2011 1:38 pm

Ideally a 7th or 8th guy, but on this team he's going to start. Andy and TT are going to be playing together a lot. We cna't og the offense down by running with Gee too. Casspi is a nice compliment to that.

mcfly1204 · Post #3 » by **mcfly1204** » Tue Dec 6, 2011 2:14 pm

Statistically, I expect Omri's rookie numbers to be his floor. If he stays healthy, I think he will be anywhere in the range of 12/4 to 16/5 on solid percentages (45/37/70). I think it is still possible for Omri to be a long-term starter, and that this season should be a good litmus test.

BossHoggin · Post #4 » by **BossHoggin** » Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:29 pm

I expect nothing special

Cavs Fan 92 · Post #5 » by **Cavs Fan 92** » Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:24 pm

I expect a very average SF who seems better then he is due to extended playing time. He'll probably have a few 20 point games, he'll probably average around 14 and 5. Depending on how we run the offense. It could be more if he actually becomes our scoring threat, could be less if we play Davis and Irving together a lot.

He'll be solid enough for us though I think.

Roger Murdock · Post #6 » by **Roger Murdock** » Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:35 pm

I expect a bad starting small forward who would be a nice 7th or 8th man on a good team who can shoot, rebound, and make the occasional athletic play but who will get lit up on defense.

Kaner · Post #7 » by **Kaner** » Wed Dec 7, 2011 12:30 am

I'm starting to see a poor man's Peja Stojakovich, anyone agree?

Cavs Fan 92 · Post #8 » by **Cavs Fan 92** » Wed Dec 7, 2011 1:58 am

Kaner wrote:I'm starting to see a poor man's Peja Stojakovich, anyone agree?

Yeah I see that for sure. Which for us, is a good thing. We had a hole at SF and now we have something half decent to fill it with. I'm hoping he proves everyone wrong and plays great. Maybe he has a break out year, he is a young guy still. We'll see though.

Steely Reserve · Post #9 » by **Steely Reserve** » Wed Dec 7, 2011 5:19 am

I'm expecting a poor man's Harrison Barnes....

lol

I'm obviously not a huge Barnes fan, but back to the topic - I expect Casspi to provide the spacing we never had from the small forward position last year. I also expect him to run the floor and finish on the break. This team will run a lot more than most people realize.

The one area I'm not sure about him is defensively. Is he a plus defender? Just average? Worse? I dunno. But if he ends up fitting our system, he could a piece for the future as he'll get wide open shots in our offense and will also be able to play tbe 4 when the Cavs go small:

Kyrie
Baron
Eyenga
Casspi
TT

Baron
Boobie
Casspi
Jamison
Andy

Kyrie
Boobie
Casspi
Jamison
Hollins

Cavs have a crazy amount of line-ups they can throw out there haha.

Steely Reserve · Post #10 » by **Steely Reserve** » Wed Dec 7, 2011 5:21 am

I totally forgot about Sessions LMAO

becorz · Post #11 » by **becorz** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:52 pm

Steely Reserve wrote:I'm obviously not a huge Barnes fan, but back to the topic - I expect Casspi to provide the spacing we never had from the small forward position last year. I also expect him to run the floor and finish on the break. This team will run a lot more than most people realize.

The one area I'm not sure about him is defensively. Is he a plus defender? Just average? Worse? I dunno. But if he ends up fitting our system, he could a piece for the future as he'll get wide open shots in our offense and will also be able to play tbe 4 when the Cavs go small:

I was just trolling the forumns around here and can tell you, as a Kings fan, that Caspi tries really hard on defense, but he really just isn't very good, at the moment. Quicker guys can get passed him pretty easily and stronger guys seem to out muscle him. There were a few times that the Kings benched Caspi for long periods because of his defense. I do however think that he can get better at it over time with good coaching.

As far as everyone's expectations, do not expect a lights out shooter in the Stojakovic mold. That is not what Omri Caspi is about. Yes, he can get on hots streaks as a shooter, but all too often he falls in love with his shot. He also goes on VERY cold streaks. He might provide more spacing than you had at the SF position last year (I don't really follow your team), but it is not uncommon for him to miss wide open threes. Again, with coaching, he could be more consistant.

Where he really flurishes is when he gets to use his athleticism, especially fast breaks. He is pretty good at finishing at the basket. He can also hit the pull up mid range jumper. When he is attacking the basket, good things happen for him. I would also say that him attacking the basket opens up his long range shooting because people will lay off. The issue is, like I said before, he too often falls in love with the long rang shot.

Honestly, I good camparison for him is a poor man's Andres Nocioni, at least for now. Like Nocioni, Caspi falls in love with his shot, when he should be closer to the basket. That is not to say he can't hit an outside shot. On defense, if he is guarding certain guys, he can be effective, but others can blow him out of the water. He will get you rebounds at a good rate for a SF.

I think Caspi can develop into an effective sixth man, borderline starter type. His success in his rookie season might have been the worst thing for him...people are expecting too much. I am rooting for him to succeed though. He always tries when he is on the court, and that is really all you can ask.

Steely Reserve · Post #12 » by **Steely Reserve** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:14 am

becorz wrote:
Steely Reserve wrote:I'm obviously not a huge Barnes fan, but back to the topic - I expect Casspi to provide the spacing we never had from the small forward position last year. I also expect him to run the floor and finish on the break. This team will run a lot more than most people realize.

The one area I'm not sure about him is defensively. Is he a plus defender? Just average? Worse? I dunno. But if he ends up fitting our system, he could a piece for the future as he'll get wide open shots in our offense and will also be able to play tbe 4 when the Cavs go small:

I was just trolling the forumns around here and can tell you, as a Kings fan, that Caspi tries really hard on defense, but he really just isn't very good, at the moment. Quicker guys can get passed him pretty easily and stronger guys seem to out muscle him. There were a few times that the Kings benched Caspi for long periods because of his defense. I do however think that he can get better at it over time with good coaching.

As far as everyone's expectations, do not expect a lights out shooter in the Stojakovic mold. That is not what Omri Caspi is about. Yes, he can get on hots streaks as a shooter, but all too often he falls in love with his shot. He also goes on VERY cold streaks. He might provide more spacing than you had at the SF position last year (I don't really follow your team), but it is not uncommon for him to miss wide open threes. Again, with coaching, he could be more consistant.

Where he really flurishes is when he gets to use his athleticism, especially fast breaks. He is pretty good at finishing at the basket. He can also hit the pull up mid range jumper. When he is attacking the basket, good things happen for him. I would also say that him attacking the basket opens up his long range shooting because people will lay off. The issue is, like I said before, he too often falls in love with the long rang shot.

Honestly, I good camparison for him is a poor man's Andres Nocioni, at least for now. Like Nocioni, Caspi falls in love with his shot, when he should be closer to the basket. That is not to say he can't hit an outside shot. On defense, if he is guarding certain guys, he can be effective, but others can blow him out of the water. He will get you rebounds at a good rate for a SF.

I think Caspi can develop into an effective sixth man, borderline starter type. His success in his rookie season might have been the worst thing for him...people are expecting too much. I am rooting for him to succeed though. He always tries when he is on the court, and that is really all you can ask.

Good post

Post #13 » by **Icness** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:43 am

Maybe he will astonish us all by rising to the opportunity.

Seriously though, I see 14/5/3 with wild fluctuations (25 one night, 6 the next) and poor defense.

BSM · Post #14 » by **BSM** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:37 pm

Better than Hickson.

Nirvana · Post #15 » by **Nirvana** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:48 am

Casspi had a bunch of alley-oop jams from Kyrie on fast breaks at the Wine and Gold scrimmage today. Now, if only we could play ourselves every game this year.

boogie-reke · Post #16 » by **boogie-reke** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:58 pm

His main downfall on defence imo is the screens.

The dude is horrible at getting past a screen, and practically anytime he had to with the Kings it was 2 or 3 open points.

He tries really hard - this is for sure, he's an intense competitor with a great work ethic - so if he gets a coach to teach him properly(All he had is Paul Westfail sadly for him), and show him the ropes - he will put in the work and do w/e it takes to get there.

My biggest problem with him on offence is, he just cannot put the ball on the floor - or couldn't. his hands are so small and he just is so T/O prone when he puts it down and tries to do something with it.. really awkward lookin... so he HAD to settle and fall inlove with his 3pointer, cause thats all he could really do.

What I do think is - with Kyrie, and with a better all around offence based on movement etc he can really shine and be used to his advantages - which is his high basketball IQ and understanding of the game in a simple yet good way, his mobility and athletisizem for his size etc.

He runs like a deer, he cuts to the basket, he finds open space for himself off the ball and creates passing options to his guards... in sac we played a 1v5 streetball style of play, and he was often ignored by his teammates and over time just stopped to move and just stood in the 3p arc hoping he will somehow get the ball - and he only got it on broken plays with 2-3 sec left too... so in that sence you guys with Scott and Kyrie would be a world of good for him.

What I also dislike is for a 6'9 guy, he's really really weak. I mean in the post for example he is beyond useless, even against point guards and 6'2 guys checkin him - and on the defensive post he also gets moved around like a leaf in the wind... so thats something he has to improove and if he does can really use to his advantage.

Granted he's a really hard worker, so I would want to assume he addressed and improoved atleast some of those things - but I wouldn't expect him to be part of your future to be honest.

becorz · Post #17 » by **becorz** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:00 pm

boogie-reke wrote:What I do think is - with Kyrie, and with a better all around offence based on movement etc he can really shine and be used to his advantages - which is his high basketball IQ and understanding of the game in a simple yet good way, his mobility and athletisizem for his size etc.

THIS

Omri is not a spot up shooter. With a distributer type PG he will probably play better. I see him thriving in a roll as a slasher. In the Kings "hand the ball to Tyreke and let him do what he wants" offense Caspi didn't have that chance.

kiwibrindle · Post #18 » by **kiwibrindle** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:34 am

he shot very well in the second preseaon. Shot it Omro shot it

Kaner · Post #19 » by **Kaner** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:36 am

Yeah, I agree... I think too that he's gonna love playing with Kyrie instead of Tyreke haha. He is always scrappin for rebounds, playing the passing lane (however he gambles a little too much some times on that, from what I've seen), he doesn't handle the rock very well, and he can score from a variety of spots on the floor...he isn't a very athletic defender, but at least he's not lazy and enigmatic on that side of ball. I think he'll have a chance to reach his ceiling here, whereas in Sacramento he was frustrated in the Tyreke-Mike Brown-esque offense they run over there. I just hope that they make the 8th seed sooo damn badly so we can get that pick in this years draft, that could be someone like Kidd-Gilchrist, or Terrance Ross...

Post #20 » by **B Mac** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:48 pm

He's way "thicker" than I originally thought and looks like a really strong rebounder for a 3. I was excited by his play last night.