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Dec 21 - winter solstice and some daily papers

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Dec 21 - winter solstice and some daily papers 

Post#1 » by dagger » Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:40 pm

With my work winding down for the holidays, I thought it would be timely to see what the papers were publishing on Darvish+2

Is the anger and cynicism about ownership diminishing or is the media taking a harder line? Is AA's honeymoon over? Where is Beeston in all of this, why is he hanging AA out to dry? Money issues should be his topic.

Also, in Buster's ESPN blog, he says Carlos Beltran will make up his mind on a team in the next 72 hours. Heyman has an update on Prince Fielder that sheds little new light on his situation. (See below)


National Post

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2011/12/ ... ill-spend/
But National Post sources familiar with knowledge of the Blue Jays’ thinking strongly contradicted that the Jays were willing or able to spend the required money on Darvish. And in Tuesday’s conference call, Anthopoulos was careful to note the payroll parameters he has been given — which resulted in a US$70-million payroll on Opening Day last season — remain in place.


Baseball is a game swimming with sharks, and those in the American League East have more teeth than anywhere else. But now the AL West has loaded up, with two teams fuelled by lucrative local broadcasting deals — the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, flush with a US$150-million per year TV contract, added Albert Pujols and C.J. Wilson for a combined price of US$331.5-million, while Texas, whose US$80-million-per-year deal starts in 2014, is bent on something more than losing Game 7 of the World Series. The arms race has spread, and while money never guarantees success, in the hands of capable organizations it is a formidable weapon.
Rogers certainly has the right to treat the Jays like a small part of their vast enterprise, which is the case. But nobody who says Rogers should allocate more money to the Blue Jays is suggesting they simply spend the money like drunks — bartender, a Mo Vaughn for all my friends! — but instead are saying that given the resourcefulness and creativity Anthopoulos has already displayed, perhaps he should be given a little more ammunition. Not only would it probably help, it would be a concrete signal to the reticent Toronto fan base that Rogers is serious about winning. Waiting for the fans to commit first has certainly been an interesting strategy, though.


Toronto Star

http://thestar.blogs.com/thespin/

2. To be transparent or not to be transparent? Let's say the Jays bid $51.6 million and were outbid by Texas by a relatively measly $100,000. They may want their fans to know that, to understand just how aggressive they were in the effort to land this player at a time when some (many?) wonder whether Rogers will pay for top-flight talent.

But let's say the Toronto bid was $20 million. Or even $30 million. Let's say the Jays were badly outbid and didn't really understand the market they were in. How to explain that to their fans if they choose to make their bid public?



Globe and Mail

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/b ... le2279026/

The Jays themselves don't help the situation. Fans wanted to know how close the team came in the Darvish sweepstakes. Unfortunately they got the mushroom treatment from general manager Alex Anthopoulos when asked Tuesday about why the team had come up short. For reasons such as these, the optics of Rogers’ financial commitment toward the Blue Jays will remain a sore point with their fans. One that has just a single cure: Winning. And that doesn’t appear imminent.



Toronto Sports Media (.com)

http://torontosportsmedia.com/toronto-b ... s+Media%29
Winning, everyone tell me will be the cure all for the Jays. Start winning and the dome will be full. Those who say have to be smarter than me and well, Rogers has to know this too. So why the stubborn refusal to spend? I know, the plan, the plan the plan. Well, I am here to tell Rogers, there is a huge appetite out there just waiting. I don’t think it waits forever, but it is there. Last night and the last few days was something I hope you paid attention to. Baseball fans are itching to get excited about this team. Either you feed that hunger or they starve to death.


CBS - Heyman

http://jon-heyman.blogs.cbssports.com/m ... 2/33978369


The Marlis remain a curiosity. Team president David Samson has suggested they lack interest, but owner Jeffrey Loria has give public quotes amounting to something along the lines of "we'll see.'' The Rangers are also believed to have interest even after winning the bid for star Japanese pitcher Yu Darvish. The Cubs are said to interested but the status of their pursuit, and that of the Jays, remains unclear.
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Re: Dec 21 - winter solstice and some daily papers 

Post#2 » by szwatzy » Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:14 pm

When it comes down to it, we read these boards daily. We bitch, moan and complain about Rogers and while we may think (and rightfully so) that Rogers is either not paying enough attention, or just not "paying" enough to field a team that will compete with the Yankees and Sox. But until the majority of the general public feels this way, they are not going to be under pressure to do something about it.

The person who I feel bad for is AA. He has done work to solidify a dozen or so top prospects through trades and drafts, only to be handcuffed to make any further move$.

I am glad the media is hammering on Rogers, maybe it is time to understand that if you want the buzz and the people in the seats you need to show the people you are in it and you want it. I am not a hockey fan but I realize Toronto is a hockey town, you have to show the city you want to compete. So the ball is in Rogers' court now
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Post#3 » by baulderdash77 » Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:32 pm

I think the honeymoon period with AA is over. Everyone treated him as a golden boy up to now, but going forward he's fair game. It's year 3 of his plan and it's time for some results.

Like the writer above said- there's a huge appetite for a winner. The fans will either get fed and be happy or starve and get mad.
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Post#4 » by Parataxis » Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:45 pm

szwatzy wrote:I am glad the media is hammering on Rogers, maybe it is time to understand that if you want the buzz and the people in the seats you need to show the people you are in it and you want it. I am not a hockey fan but I realize Toronto is a hockey town, you have to show the city you want to compete. So the ball is in Rogers' court now


And more to the point, you don't talk about 140M rosters 'when they're ready to compete' and then field a 70M roster despite the only thing keeping them from competition being an extra 40M. That just gets fans angry.
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Post#5 » by U_Mad » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:23 pm

baulderdash77 wrote:I think the honeymoon period with AA is over. Everyone treated him as a golden boy up to now, but going forward he's fair game. It's year 3 of his plan and it's time for some results.

Like the writer above said- there's a huge appetite for a winner. The fans will either get fed and be happy or starve and get mad.


Honestly, i think AA is being played as hes being asked to make a dollar out of a dime...."Hey, Alex the fan want to win but we're not going to give you any spending money, so just use the trade market and make us compete". They guy has done an amazing job getting us here with only 70 mill, he has created a borderline on the cusp of competitive team with the chips he was dealt, but there comes a time when you go in and take a risk knowing that it can put you over the top, and rogers just wont do that.

Then everyone goes but the rays did it....yeah but the rays lost 90+ games every year from 98-2007 with a couple of 100 loss seasons, and the CBA is different too...so that excuse is bs. It's all on rogers now AA has done a hell of a job
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Post#6 » by Brinbe » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:53 pm

U_Mad wrote:
baulderdash77 wrote:I think the honeymoon period with AA is over. Everyone treated him as a golden boy up to now, but going forward he's fair game. It's year 3 of his plan and it's time for some results.

Like the writer above said- there's a huge appetite for a winner. The fans will either get fed and be happy or starve and get mad.


Honestly, i think AA is being played as hes being asked to make a dollar out of a dime...."Hey, Alex the fan want to win but we're not going to give you any spending money, so just use the trade market and make us compete". They guy has done an amazing job getting us here with only 70 mill, he has created a borderline on the cusp of competitive team with the chips he was dealt, but there comes a time when you go in and take a risk knowing that it can put you over the top, and rogers just wont do that.

Then everyone goes but the rays did it....yeah but the rays lost 90+ games every year from 98-2007 with a couple of 100 loss seasons, and the CBA is different too...so that excuse is bs. It's all on rogers now AA has done a hell of a job

Fully agreed... I have no ill-will at all towards AA. But there certainly is some beef there to be had with Rogers. And they'll have to win me over with some concrete action, before I give them much credit going forward.
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Post#7 » by Moxie » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:30 pm

I'm not sleeping on AA . Whether it's a short or long term acquisition, I think a face-melter is coming down the pipes.
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Post#8 » by vaff87 » Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:01 pm

They deserve to have a lot of pressure on them at this point. They have very little chance to compete in the AL as is, so they should expect to continue to have crappy attendance and support. I really don't know why people should be expected to show up when the team continues to have little hope.

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