What do the Cavs do in Free Agency?

[Manny Phresh]

Forgive my ignorance but what does the J stand for? Why is it EJ and not EG? Never saw that nickname until the Paul trade.

I'm very unhip and am always about 2 years behind on the flashy street cred nicknames. Also still trying to figure out why the hell some people call Stoudemire "Stat."

S.T.A.T. = Standing Tall and Talented.

He's had that nickname for a grip.

[Triumph36]

While you're right about him not being a RFA until the year after next, i dont see how you think Gordon is over rated...and besides, I didn't say to offer them max deals, I said we'll have enough money to spend to make them legitimate offers...so tell me, who in FA would be better players to go after for a young rebuilding team than a young 2 way 7'2" center and a 20+ppg up and coming UNDERSIZED 2 guard that plays AVERAGE defense? And by being patient, i simply meant not making an offer to someone like Nick Young now just because they freed up space by waiving BDiddy...being patient as in waiting for the right young players that play positions we need to fill, have good heads on their shoulders, and are productive on both ends of the court. So anyways what makes Eric Gordon overrated ?

Fixed.

Either way. Both of them will not sign with the Cavs.

ya this

Gordon is an undersized two who as a result can't defend all that well and his jumper isn't nearly as good as many claim. He's not a bad player, but he's not a max player either and in all the CP3 talks, people were acting like he's some sort of future superstar.

How about the Cavs....don't go after anyone in free agency? They are awful and need to worry about developing their own core, not overspending for free agents that won't come to Cleveland in the first place. As said earlier, the Cavs are a few years away from worrying about free agency.

[Kaner]

Forgive my ignorance but what does the J stand for? Why is it EJ and not EG? Never saw that nickname until the Paul trade.

I'm very unhip and am always about 2 years behind on the flashy street cred nicknames. Also still trying to figure out why the hell some people call Stoudemire "Stat."

S.T.A.T. = Standing Tall and Talented.

He's had that nickname for a grip.

they call him EJ as a nickname, from Eric Gordon Jr.

also, even though he may not be 6'5, he still has the frame, wingspan and athleticism to make up for it, a la D Wade. And nowhere did I say "offer them the max", i said we'll have close to 2 max slots open, giving us a lot of wiggle room to make some offers to some quality young talent

[Cavs Fan 92]

I would offer Gordon the max. As said before, even though he is undersized so is D-Wade. Gordon has the build to be able to succeed even with his height. He would be able to take on the scoring load for us and be a big piece to build around. He has the potential to be a top 3 SG in the NBA and he has a big opportunity to show it in NO. He'll be the star player, and either he'll want to stay and be their piece to build around, or maybe he goes somewhere to be their star.

Since Ohio is so close to home for him I could honestly see him coming to Cleveland. Gordon, Irving, Thompson, plus anyone we get in the 2012 draft. Be it Barnes, Drummond, Lamb, Rivers, whoever. We'd be a team to look out for.

[Triumph36]

I would offer Gordon the max. As said before, even though he is undersized so is D-Wade. Gordon has the build to be able to succeed even with his height. He would be able to take on the scoring load for us and be a big piece to build around. He has the potential to be a top 3 SG in the NBA and he has a big opportunity to show it in NO. He'll be the star player, and either he'll want to stay and be their piece to build around, or maybe he goes somewhere to be their star.

Since Ohio is so close to home for him I could honestly see him coming to Cleveland. Gordon, Irving, Thompson, plus anyone we get in the 2012 draft. Be it Barnes, Drummond, Lamb, Rivers, whoever. We'd be a team to look out for.

lol

and lol yeah lets overpay for a player then use a top 5 pick on a player who....plays the exact same position. definitely a team to look out for.

[Kaner]

Triumph I realize some of these scenarios don't play out to be 100% perfect, but I think sometimes you forget that this is Cleveland, and good young talented players don't take less money to play here. Mind telling me what the "lol" means in contrast to EJ and DWade both being undersized, since you didn't explain that in your post? And honestly, I realize that you want to maintain flexibility and cap space...but for what or who? Apparently it's not to save up room and make offers to talented young pieces that fit our teams character and fills a huge hole at the wing with one of the best up and coming 2 guards in the league...so what then? I really would like to know who YOUR targets would be since apparently EJ and Roy Hibbert are bad targets.

[Cavs Fan 92]

I would offer Gordon the max. As said before, even though he is undersized so is D-Wade. Gordon has the build to be able to succeed even with his height. He would be able to take on the scoring load for us and be a big piece to build around. He has the potential to be a top 3 SG in the NBA and he has a big opportunity to show it in NO. He'll be the star player, and either he'll want to stay and be their piece to build around, or maybe he goes somewhere to be their star.

Since Ohio is so close to home for him I could honestly see him coming to Cleveland. Gordon, Irving, Thompson, plus anyone we get in the 2012 draft. Be it Barnes, Drummond, Lamb, Rivers, whoever. We'd be a team to look out for.

lol

and lol yeah lets overpay for a player then use a top 5 pick on a player who....plays the exact same position. definitely a team to look out for.

I'm not saying we SHOULD draft a SG. I was just listing to show the fact that we will have a lot of options in the draft this year. And as Kaner said, what are good FA targets? Honestly if Cleveland got Hibbert and EJ I would be ecstatic. I'd run to the Q and buy a couple new jerseys.

Our biggest holes in this roster are on the wing and at C. We also need to put points on the board. Gordon solves both of those.

[Niko23]

The problem is this league is all perimeter oriented now. Centers really do not change the game today. Even with Dwight, Id still take an elite wing over D12 any day

[Triumph36]

The problem is this league is all perimeter oriented now. Centers really do not change the game today. Even with Dwight, Id still take an elite wing over D12 any day

wait please tell me I am misreading this. if I'm not, by "elite wing" you better be talking about LeBron and only LeBron.

there is absolutely, positively, no way you take a wing that isn't LBJ over a guy who can single handedly turn any team into a contender. sorrry, none.

the league really isn't "perimeter oriented" either. there's a reason why the best player on the title winning team has been a big for quite a few years now.

[Niko23]

I take LeBron, Kobe, Wade, Durant, and probably Anthony any day of the week. And I am really not following your rant. Are you saying Dwight turns any team into a contender? How is that working out for Orlando?

And yes, the league is full of dominant big men year after year, not elite wings/green font

[Niko23]

Not sure where you are getting the whole "best player on title teams were bigs" argument. Here are the finals MVPS. And LOL if you are calling Dirk a big when he pretty much is a perimeter player. Even if you did that would be two guys in the last 8 years.




2004 -- Chauncey Billups, Detroit
Averaged 21 points and 5.2 assists to lead the Pistons to a 4-1 victory over the Los Angeles Lakers. Billups shot 51% from the field and 93% from the foul line for the series.

2005 -- Tim Duncan, San Antonio
Averaged 20 points and 14 rebounds to lead the Spurs to a 4-3 victory over the Detroit Pistons. Duncan poured in 25 points and 11 boards in the decisive Game 7, locking up his third Finals MVP award.

2006 -- Dwyane Wade, Miami Heat
Wade's 34.7 scoring average is the third-highest in NBA Finals history. After seeing Miami trail 0-2 to the Dallas Mavericks, Wade scored 42, 36 and 43 points in the next three games, respectively, before Miami won the series in six games.

2007 -- Tony Parker, San Antonio Spurs
The 6-foot-2 Parker shot an astounding 42-for-74 (.568) from the field and averaged 24.5 points in the Spurs' four-game sweep of the Cleveland Cavaliers. The 25-year-old Frenchman became the first European-born NBA Finals MVP.

2008 -- Paul Pierce, Boston Celtics
Pierce took home the honor after averaging 21.8 points, 6.3 assists and 4.5 rebounds in leading the Celtics to their 17th championship.

2009 -- Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers
The Lakers' star guard averaged 32.4 points and 7.4 assists a game and played 43.8 minutes a game during the Finals as Los Angeles wrapped up another championship by defeating the Orlando Magic in five games.

2010 -- Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers
Bryant became the first player since former Lakers teammate Shaquille O'Neal to win Finals MVP honors in back-to-back seasons. Though his scoring was down from the previous season's Finals (28.6 ppg vs. 32.4 ppg), he was instrumental in the Game 7 win over the Celtics, pulling down 15 rebounds to go with 23 points in L.A.'s 83-79 victory.

2011 -- Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks
Nowitzki led the Mavericks to their first NBA title in franchise history, averaging 26 points and 9.6 rebounds per game while making 45 of 46 free throws.

[Dupp]

^ Bilups is extremely debatable and tony parker wasnt even close to the best player on that team.

Oh and same goes for pierce, that was KG's finals mvp and even if it wasnt he carried the c's through the first 3 rounds...

So out of those 8 years you posted, 4 of the best players were bigs, 3 wings and 04 was too well ballanced...



Anyway i agree that the only guy that has a case over dwight is Lebron and id take dwight in a heartbeat over anyone in the leauge.

[Niko23]

But they were the MVP of the finals which is what was being debated. You could also look at league MVP's and since i believe 05 there has been 1 big with that award. It was Dirk and he is far from a post player in the conventional way we are discussing.

I just do not understand the Dwight Howard love. I easily take Rose/Durant and if we are talking playoffs I add Kobe/Wade etc. Again I lean towards taking perimeter players over bigs based on how the league is transforming.

[Dupp]

You were debating best player on a championship team and then brought up the last 8 finals mvps as if to strengthen your argument. You also conveniently started at 04 when the 5 before that were big men.

I'm don't disagree its a perimeter driven leauge, but if anything that makes howard that much more valuable because tehres no one liek him.

I guess you don't value defense, dwights scoring is comparable to roses last year, i think he scores 3 less ppg at 15% better fg% (roughly, i didnt look it up). Now obviously their TS% would be closer because of free throws but they are at least comparable.

Then dwight gives you elite defense with a legit paint protector that transforms any team into a top defensive team ( look at the magic, they were horrible at every position bar centre are always among defensive leaders in the leauge)

He is also an elite rebounder...

Anyway... This is kinda ot