Dalembert didn't exactly cash in...

fefe22 · Post #1 » by **fefe22** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:25 am

signed with the Rockets for two years 13,7 mill, second year only 1,5 mill guaranteed.

what was the Heat's best offer? Isn't the full MLE something like 22 mill for 4 years?

WD · Post #2 » by WD » Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:34 am

Doesn't matter, he got more than we were going to give - so much for those FA's lining up to play with us

fefe22 · Post #3 » by **fefe22** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:46 am

WD wrote:Doesn't matter, he got more than we were going to give - so much for those FA's lining up to play with us

Not necesserily. It depends what he can get after these two years as a 32 year-old.
I'm not sure he can make as much in the next 4 years as a 4 year MLE deal would have given him.

I think he made a bad decision financially.

Nanogeek · Post #4 » by **Nanogeek** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:14 pm

Dalembert is a douche and this situation is symptomatic of what is still wrong with the NBA's salary system. This guy has been way overpaid for the last several years. And instead of taking a lower salary to be on a contender he decided to get paid as much as possible even if it meant playing on a team that won't be a serious contender. You might say he's just getting however much cash he can get. But the fact is he's been paid almost $50m for the past 4 seasons to less than 30 min per game and average 8 pts, 9 reb, and less than 2 blocks.

WD · Post #5 » by WD » Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:42 pm

fefe22 wrote:
WD wrote:Doesn't matter, he got more than we were going to give - so much for those FA's lining up to play with us

Not necesserily. It depends what he can get after these two years as a 32 year-old.
I'm not sure he can make as much in the next 4 years as a 4 year MLE deal would have given him.

I think he made a bad decision financially.

Why do you think he made a bad decision financially? because he didn't sign with us? - who cares about 2 years form now, we needed a decision THIS off season.

Pitch was made, Pitch was not accepted

No offense though.

fefe22 · Post #6 » by **fefe22** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:20 pm

WD wrote:
fefe22 wrote:
WD wrote:Doesn't matter, he got more than we were going to give - so much for those FA's lining up to play with us

Not necesserily. It depends what he can get after these two years as a 32 year-old.
I'm not sure he can make as much in the next 4 years as a 4 year MLE deal would have given him.

I think he made a bad decision financially.

Why do you think he made a bad decision financially? because he didn't sign with us? - who cares about 2 years form now, we needed a decision THIS off season.

Pitch was made, Pitch was not accepted

No offense though.

Because I think now he will make less than 22 mill in the next 4 years...
Maybe he will be bought out by Houston for 1,5 mill next summer, and we will sign him to the MLE next year...

Grumpy Heat Fan · Post #7 » by **Grumpy Heat Fan** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:54 pm

I am sure Dalembert would like to turn back time and sign with Miami.

Basically, Miami thought he would get paid a lot of money, and he wouldn't come here, so Miami did not amnesty Miller and just went with Battier.

Dalembert and his agents thought he would get big money, never happened.

We could have offered him about 5 mil? i think it was? 5 mil to play starting C for Miami or 7 mil to play for the rockets? I am thinking he would choose Miami if he could do it over.

BigDaddyPR · Post #8 » by **BigDaddyPR** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:04 pm

He still got more then he deserves..

orangeparka · Post #9 » by **orangeparka** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:39 pm

We could've given him a one-year $5m deal, then he could've gotten a fat paycheck next season ala Tyson Chandler.

Shame really.

bemzk · Post #10 » by **bemzk** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 4:53 pm

Seriously i haven´t seen him play that much except for last year against us where he had like 20+ points, but he can´t be worse then Kwame Brown?

How the hell did Kwame get paid that much :-?

Hallstar · Post #11 » by **Hallstar** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 4:56 pm

WD wrote:
fefe22 wrote:
WD wrote:Doesn't matter, he got more than we were going to give - so much for those FA's lining up to play with us

Not necesserily. It depends what he can get after these two years as a 32 year-old.
I'm not sure he can make as much in the next 4 years as a 4 year MLE deal would have given him.

I think he made a bad decision financially.

Why do you think he made a bad decision financially? because he didn't sign with us? - who cares about 2 years form now, we needed a decision THIS off season.

Pitch was made, Pitch was not accepted

No offense though.

I don't really have a problem with guys going for the money, but I think he over valued himself this offseason.....I doubt he expected to sign essentially a one year deal

Pimpwerx · Post #12 » by **Pimpwerx** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:08 pm

Odd decision to go to Houston for essentially $1M more. Could have signed 2 years with a player option in the 2nd year and thus given him the chance to contend for slightly less money, while playing on a much bigger stage. Then next year ask the team to extend him to a healthy contract, or play the FA market again for more money. Given that Miller is of no use to us while he's injured, we could use Dalembert a lot more.

Oh well, best of luck to him. I think it was an odd decision, but I'm sure it was the best decision for himself and his family. PEACE.

MartyConlonJr · Post #13 » by **MartyConlonJr** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:45 pm

Maybe he felt that if he could earn an extra 3 million over the next 2 years in Houston than with Miami, and donate that 3 million to the Haiti relief rather than play for a championship, he'd be doing something unselfish to help his people.

I dunno. Idon't begrudge him. Now if a 4 year MLE from us is more than he will earn in the next 4 years, then it was dumb.

Tim_Hardawayy · Post #14 » by **Tim_Hardawayy** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:05 pm

MartyConlonJr wrote:
I dunno. Idon't begrudge him. Now if a 4 year MLE from us is more than he will earn in the next 4 years, then it was dumb.

I think it is, I highly doubt he'll get better than that at 33 coming off this contract. Not to mention, the team has a 1.5 million option next year, so if Dalembert gets hurt they can cut him and he'll only get 1.5 AND have to be on the open market again, but coming off an injury.

But remember, we never actually offered him the MLE. To do that would've involved amnestying either Mike or Joel. Although if we knew we could have him for the MLE, then yeah, we probably would've made him our #1 target, but that didn't become apparent until it was too late.

Wavy Q · Post #15 » by **Wavy Q** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:10 pm

Septhaka wrote:Dalembert is a douche and this situation is symptomatic of what is still wrong with the NBA's salary system. This guy has been way overpaid for the last several years. And instead of taking a lower salary to be on a contender he decided to get paid as much as possible even if it meant playing on a team that won't be a serious contender. You might say he's just getting however much cash he can get. But the fact is he's been paid almost $50m for the past 4 seasons to less than 30 min per game and average 8 pts, 9 reb, and less than 2 blocks.

Calling someone a douche because he made the best financial decision for himself is asinine

twix2500 · Post #16 » by **twix2500** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:24 pm

Septhaka wrote:Dalembert is a douche and this situation is symptomatic of what is still wrong with the NBA's salary system. This guy has been way overpaid for the last several years. And instead of taking a lower salary to be on a contender he decided to get paid as much as possible even if it meant playing on a team that won't be a serious contender. You might say he's just getting however much cash he can get. But the fact is he's been paid almost $50m for the past 4 seasons to less than 30 min per game and average 8 pts, 9 reb, and less than 2 blocks.

LMBO why is taking the most money make one a douche? I think you need to take your anger out on the Rocket and 76ers ownership, its not his fault he was offered that much. LMBO really that anger needs to be directed at the right people.

radikalBaller · Post #17 » by **radikalBaller** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:11 am

Jay From LA wrote:
Septhaka wrote:Dalembert is a douche and this situation is symptomatic of what is still wrong with the NBA's salary system. This guy has been way overpaid for the last several years. And instead of taking a lower salary to be on a contender he decided to get paid as much as possible even if it meant playing on a team that won't be a serious contender. You might say he's just getting however much cash he can get. But the fact is he's been paid almost $50m for the past 4 seasons to less than 30 min per game and average 8 pts, 9 reb, and less than 2 blocks.

Calling someone a douche because he made the best financial decision for himself is asinine

U can't even be sure that he made the best financial decision, he sure wasn't shooting for that 2 years non guarantied "Kwame money" contract.

When he comes out of it in 2014 at age 34 without even making the PO, nobody in their right mind will give him a 4 years MLE.

All things point that, after seeing what Chandler got coming out of a Championship, he overvalued himself in a tentative market.

He played the FA game the same dumb way the he plays bball. Had he taken the 5.6 mil for a year and won it all with the Heat (which is highly probable), he would have been in Chandler's position in 2012.

Tim_Hardawayy · Post #18 » by **Tim_Hardawayy** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:14 am

Everyone calling Dalembert dumb for getting burned by the market, you do realize he has an agent that probably helps him make these decisions, just like 95% of players in the league, right?

If anyone is a fool here, its his agent, although honestly I wouldn't even fault him because most experts thought he would be able to get paid this offseason.

radikalBaller · Post #19 » by **radikalBaller** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:16 am

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:Everyone calling Dalembert dumb for getting burned by the market, you do realize he has an agent that probably helps him make these decisions, just like 95% of players in the league, right?

If anyone is a fool here, its his agent, although honestly I wouldn't even fault him because most experts thought he would be able to get paid this offseason.

I agree, he or his agent, somebody definitively screwed up. That's all what i'm saying.

Same goes for Nick Young...

DWadeno3 · Post #20 » by **DWadeno3** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:27 am

radikalBaller wrote:
Tim_Hardawayy wrote:Everyone calling Dalembert dumb for getting burned by the market, you do realize he has an agent that probably helps him make these decisions, just like 95% of players in the league, right?

If anyone is a fool here, its his agent, although honestly I wouldn't even fault him because most experts thought he would be able to get paid this offseason.

I agree, he or his agent, somebody definitively screwed up. That's all what i'm saying.

Same goes for Nick Young...

Those players, or their agents for that matter, always gamble. Especially in Dalembert's case, most people would've probably acted similarly. It was an average free agent class and a lot of teams with a gap at the center position had capspace or at least the MLE to offer. Thus, the market was right for his agent to risk a little more in negotiations. Unfortunately for him, he gambled too high and while other teams locked centers up for way too much money, Dalembert was left out and now has to settle for the best offer available.
Young's demands were a little preposterous, but he's just had a career year, so in this market you might as well try something too, especially since you could always sign the QO with the Wizards and try your luck again next season. You can't necessarily blame them though. Look at the contracts Chandler, Nene and Gasol signed this year. I'm pretty sure their agents gambled as well, they were simply lucky enough to find a team which was ready to match their demands.