Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3

Marlo Stanfield · Post #401 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:21 am

Live Free wrote:PJ3 4pts on 2-9 fg in a overtime game.. inexcusable?

Very much so. A true star demands the ball. If Perry wanted it he could've said, "PASS THE BALL KOBE!" But he didn't...

JN · Post #402 » by JN » Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:22 am

Jackson didn't hurt them tongiht because he was extremely efficient.... he helped the team win. But its not a winning formula long term, because he won't keep shooting anywhere near that well.

Waylon Mercy · Post #403 » by **Waylon Mercy** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:22 am

Wham! wrote:
Waylon Mercy wrote:1. Drummond
2. A. Davis
3. J. Lamb
4. Barnes
5. Gilchrist
6. P Jones
7. Sullinger
8. Q Miller

Thats my draft board as of right now with best overall talent and fit on our team considered.

I agree with your top 3, but not Barnes and not Sullinger. I want no part of Sullinger and Barnes is just meh..I like Gilchrist more than him. But in terms of guys we should look at (high potential) Q Miller has it, Gilchrist and Barnes not so much, Q Miller would be my tentative number 4 there.

I hear you.... I love Gilchrist he was my favorite player coming out of High school last year.
But the fact hes not a great 3 point shooter makes him not a great fit beside DeRozan so I
put him behind Barnes who im not the biggest fan of.

As for Sullinger I doubt will take him but he'll be a double-double guy in the NBA and is a top 8
player in this draft. I like Q-Miller but I need to see more of him his lack of 3 ball also
hurts him in my rankings.

JN · Post #404 » by JN » Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:24 am

fredericklove wrote:Baylor's no match for top teams like kentucky, UNC, uconn or ohio. All these teams are gonna lock the D down on the (Please Use More Appropriate Word) guards of Baylor.

And don't forget the #1 team in the land :wink:

Their 2-3 would force them to make sily attempts to penetrate and TO the ball. They would however be able to take 23 footers all day long if they want.

PJ could be really affective against the 2-3 if he gets the ball at the top of the key (the weak spot).... but he would have to work hard to get in the spot and demand it.

kingz32 · Post #405 » by **kingz32** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:26 am

BlackFalcon wrote:
Live Free wrote:PJ3 4pts on 2-9 fg in a overtime game.. inexcusable?

Very much so. A true star demands the ball. If Perry wanted it he could've said, "PASS THE BALL KOBE!" But he didn't...

However, in the words of hip hop legend Common "Sometimes knowing when I'm weak is when I'm really being strong".

Perry had a horrible game today offensively. However he did all the other little things to help out on the other end of the floor. His team is unique in that there are many players on that squad that have the capacity and will to take the game into their own hands so its not like he shouldnt feel comfortable with placing his faith in his teammates. You might criticize his score total, but he might have been doing a disservice to his team to keep shooting until he misses.

Marlo Stanfield · Post #406 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:27 am

A guy with the abilities of Perry Jones should be able to take over a game whenever he wants to. I'd rather see my star die trying than not try at all.

Post #407 » by **Undefeated** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:29 am

Waylon Mercy wrote:I like Q-Miller but I need to see more of him his lack of 3 ball also
hurts him in my rankings.

Quincy Miller can shoot the three-ball - 38.9% from 3-pt on 2 attempts. He's just not taking a lot.

I want Quincy to bring the ball up like he did yesterday. Screw Pierre Jackson and A.J. Walton.

kingz32 · Post #408 » by **kingz32** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:33 am

BlackFalcon wrote:A guy with the abilities of Perry Jones should be able to take over a game whenever he wants to. I'd rather see my star die trying than not try at all.

A victory for the team means more than anything. He had 20+ NBA scouts there for him today and I think that made a difference in how many shots he took. He probably wanted to stop the bleeding and not force shots in order to preserve his image and the win of course.

mathgeek · Post #409 » by **mathgeek** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:34 am

Perry was non existent today but he did show that he can box out and rebound the ball.

Marlo Stanfield · Post #410 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:35 am

kingz32 wrote:
BlackFalcon wrote:A guy with the abilities of Perry Jones should be able to take over a game whenever he wants to. I'd rather see my star die trying than not try at all.

A victory for the team means more than anything. He had 20+ NBA scouts there for him today and I think that made a difference in how many shots he took. He probably wanted to stop the bleeding and not force shots in order to preserve his image and the win of course.

I see what you're saying, but if I'm scouting a game for a specific guy and I see it goes to OT I'd be excited because that's his time to shine, but instead I see him defer to Pierre Jackson. Let's just say my boss would not be receiving a glowing review on Perry Jones.

Maybe it's just an off night. But he would need to go to work in the next 5 games AT LEAST in order to make it up to me.

fredericklove · Post #411 » by **fredericklove** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:37 am

Cos the whole team is deceived by Pierre Jackson's heroic plays, everyone thinks he's taking the game over so everyone is thinking "quick, give the ball to Jackson, he'll save the day". :lol:

fredericklove · Post #412 » by **fredericklove** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:39 am

mathgeek wrote:Perry was non existent today but he did show that he can box out and rebound the ball.

yes tough night for him, it could have been worst if he didn't rebound tonight, but the damage done to his image tonight isn't as painful as the one did on Qmiller. Dude was benched and didn't have big minutes to showcast anything to the scouts.

kingz32 · Post #413 » by **kingz32** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:40 am

BlackFalcon wrote:
kingz32 wrote:
BlackFalcon wrote:A guy with the abilities of Perry Jones should be able to take over a game whenever he wants to. I'd rather see my star die trying than not try at all.

A victory for the team means more than anything. He had 20+ NBA scouts there for him today and I think that made a difference in how many shots he took. He probably wanted to stop the bleeding and not force shots in order to preserve his image and the win of course.

I see what you're saying, but if I'm scouting a game for a specific guy and I see it goes to OT I'd be excited because that's his time to shine, but instead I see him defer to Pierre Jackson. Let's just say my boss would not be receiving a glowing review on Perry Jones.

Maybe it's just an off night. But he would need to go to work in the next 5 games AT LEAST in order to make it up to me.

I feel you, but the same could be said of Lebron in the NBA finals.....he deferred alot of the time instead of making takes. Although that shows some lack of confidence in key moments, does that discredit his extensive resume and skill?

Live Free · Post #414 » by **Live Free** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:40 am

kingz32 wrote:However, in the words of hip hop legend Common "Sometimes knowing when I'm weak is when I'm really being strong".

Perry had a horrible game today offensively. However he did all the other little things to help out on the other end of the floor. His team is unique in that there are many players on that squad that have the capacity and will to take the game into their own hands so its not like he shouldnt feel comfortable with placing his faith in his teammates. You might criticize his score total, but he might have been doing a disservice to his team to keep shooting until he misses.

-_- they were up by 10 and watched the game come down to its final possessions (jackson 3 to send to ot, and hinds open airball in ot) so by your logic PJ3 taking a backseat while the game is in the air makes him an even better player?

Marlo Stanfield · Post #415 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:43 am

kingz32 wrote:
BlackFalcon wrote:
kingz32 wrote:A victory for the team means more than anything. He had 20+ NBA scouts there for him today and I think that made a difference in how many shots he took. He probably wanted to stop the bleeding and not force shots in order to preserve his image and the win of course.

I see what you're saying, but if I'm scouting a game for a specific guy and I see it goes to OT I'd be excited because that's his time to shine, but instead I see him defer to Pierre Jackson. Let's just say my boss would not be receiving a glowing review on Perry Jones.

Maybe it's just an off night. But he would need to go to work in the next 5 games AT LEAST in order to make it up to me.

I feel you, but the same could be said of Lebron in the NBA finals.....he deferred alot of the time instead of making takes. Although that shows some lack of confidence in key moments, does that discredit his extensive resume and skill?

Come on now man. LeBron got murdered for his Finals performance. He is a GREAT player, but if he showed up in the clutch more often how much more GREAT would he be?

kingz32 · Post #416 » by **kingz32** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:46 am

Live Free wrote:
kingz32 wrote:However, in the words of hip hop legend Common "Sometimes knowing when I'm weak is when I'm really being strong".

Perry had a horrible game today offensively. However he did all the other little things to help out on the other end of the floor. His team is unique in that there are many players on that squad that have the capacity and will to take the game into their own hands so its not like he shouldnt feel comfortable with placing his faith in his teammates. You might criticize his score total, but he might have been doing a disservice to his team to keep shooting until he misses.

-_- they were up by 10 and watched the game come down to its final possessions (jackson 3 to send to ot, and hinds open airball in ot) so by your logic PJ3 taking a backseat while the game is in the air makes him an even better player?

im not a Perry Jones apologist. I'm just providing an alternative perspective

Post #417 » by **gojoorange** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 5:53 am

I would love to see the Raps somehow get both Barnes and Kabongo in this draft. I wonder if Bargnani has enough value to net the 9th or 10th pick in this draft. Ed Davis and Barnes playing together again, and a starting five with ridiculous potential going forward.

Starters:
Kabongo
DeRozan
Barnes
Davis
Valanciunas

Bench:
Bayless
J Johnson
A Johnson
Weems?
Kleiza
Forbes
Calderon

WhatsaTDot · Post #418 » by **WhatsaTDot** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 6:25 am

Freddy Love's draft sig changes faster than a vegas show girl.

So far its been;

Draft AD
Draft HB
Draft MKG
Draft PJ3

I guess you're bound to be happy with one of those.

fredericklove · Post #419 » by **fredericklove** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 6:36 am

WhatsaTDot wrote:Freddy Love's draft sig changes faster than a vegas show girl.

So far its been;

Draft AD
Draft HB
Draft MKG
Draft PJ3

I guess you're bound to be happy with one of those.

Nope. If it was last year I'd go with Irving bandwagon all the way but this year I'm confused as f*ck. Maybe I wanna go with one of ADs bandwagons cos I'm tired of seeing Bargs in the lineup. Having one of the ADs mean we can use Bargs and Ed as trading chips. Nothing makes me happier than seeing an entire new raps lineup

JamesNaismith · Post #420 » by **JamesNaismith** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 6:52 am

I still stay strong in my pick for Drummond.

I just don't believe a kid that's already shown more skill then Bynum, who's already bigger then Amare and appears to pretty easily on route to be the weight of Howard but taller will be anything less then a MAJOR asset moving forward. Worst case, he is another Bynum lol...best case...sky's the limit.

TWIN TOWERS is THE answer!

*heaven is trading Ed after that to grab Quincy (if healthy) or MKG

Who do you want the Raptors to draft in the 2012 NBA Draft?